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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 14, 2024 21:04:03 GMT -5
Jmo. I actually think BTJ is the best WR in the draft, if not, he is tied with Malik Nabers. I think MHJ is 3rd or 4th best. He doesn't have Randy Moss speed to go with his height. It will show in the NFL. Speed is king. š¤ Jerry Rice? š¤ Ross to the Bengles after a great 40 time. How did he do? Running precise routes is KING. Steve Largent
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 14, 2024 21:07:51 GMT -5
Frankly, I have not paid too much attention to the WRs. To me it is a third priority. And based on the little I have looked at WRs, I look at the top 3 as head and shoulders above the rest. Then there's Thomas by himself in the last third of Rd 1. Followed by a gazillion really good WRs sprinkled all throughout Rds 2-3. Jmo. I actually think BTJ is the best WR in the draft, if not, he is tied with Malik Nabers. I think MHJ is 3rd or 4th best. He doesn't have Randy Moss speed to go with his height. It will show in the NFL. Speed is king. He doesnāt have Randy Moss anything. Two completely different players and mindsets. I donāt see MHJ as anywhere near as competitive as Moss but I could be mistaken. If he is he hides it well.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 15, 2024 5:22:45 GMT -5
I don't see 27 players better than BTJ at any position though. You are an offensive whore thatās why! šš Not really. It's just been a deficit here since Brady's last year with us!
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 15, 2024 5:27:29 GMT -5
Jmo. I actually think BTJ is the best WR in the draft, if not, he is tied with Malik Nabers. I think MHJ is 3rd or 4th best. He doesn't have Randy Moss speed to go with his height. It will show in the NFL. Speed is king. š¤ Jerry Rice? š¤ Ross to the Bengles after a great 40 time. How did he do? Running precise routes is KING. It all matters. Catching, Awareness, BALLS. What makes Randy Moss, Randy Moss is elite speed with all the other things the other guys like Rice and Largent had.
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Post by fisher on Apr 15, 2024 5:28:10 GMT -5
Opinions as to Maye being inaccurate were based on 23 season..much kess so in 22, but one analyst brought up the JJM only shows his fastball ā¦I noticed it too that he has to have a clean pocket and strides into all his throws in order to go with it..in NFL you donāt normally have the time and space to use full body to throw..sometimes it just arm throws and that will show reduced arm strength . Williams, May, Daniels donāt have tha5 issue. Penix is almost Side arm and how will that work when the rush is faster and tackles and ends are faster bigger and more agileā¦knocking down passes could be a major issue.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 15, 2024 5:32:31 GMT -5
Opinions as to Maye being inaccurate were based on 23 season..much kess so in 22, but one analyst brought up the JJM only shows his fastball ā¦I noticed it too that he has to have a clean pocket and strides into all his throws in order to go with it..in NFL you donāt normally have the time and space to use full body to throw..sometimes it just arm throws and that will show reduced arm strength . Williams, May, Daniels donāt have tha5 issue. Penix is almost Side arm and how will that work when the rush is faster and tackles and ends are faster bigger and more agileā¦knocking down passes could be a major issue. This why I compared him to Kyler Murray. They seem to have the same skillset. He is supposedly 5 inches taller than Murray, but they throw about the same.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 15, 2024 13:09:59 GMT -5
1. Chicago - QB Caleb Williams USC 2 Washington - QB Jayden Daniels LSU 3 New England ***TRADE*** Minnesota moves up to select QB JJ Mc Carthy. NE receives #11, #23, a 2025 Rd 1 pick, and a 2025 Rd 3 pick 4 Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. Ohio State 5 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Joe Alt ND 6 New York Giants - QB Drake Maye UNC 7 Tennessee - WR Rome Odunze Wash 8 Atlanta - Edge Dallas Turner Alabama 9 Chicago - WR Malik Nabers LSU 10 New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu Penn St 11 New England **TRADE** Las Vegas traded #13, a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd to move up to 11 for Michael Penix Jr 12 Denver - QB Bo Nix Oregon 13 New England - TE Brock Bowers Georgia 14 New Orleans - OT J.C. Latham Alabama 15 Indianapolis- CB Kool-Aid Mckinstry Alabama 16 Seattle - T/G Troy Fautanu Washington 17 Jacksonville 18 Cincinnati 19 Los Angeles Rams 20 Pittsburgh 21 Miami 22 Philadelphia 23 New England 24 Dallas 25 Green Bay 26 Tampa Bay 27 Arizona 28 Buffalo 29 Detroit 30 Baltimore 31 San Francisco 32 Kansas City
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Post by g00dd on Apr 15, 2024 14:59:39 GMT -5
This mock draft is glacial.
1. Chicago - QB Caleb Williams USC 2 Washington - QB Jayden Daniels LSU 3 New England ***TRADE*** Minnesota moves up to select QB JJ Mc Carthy. NE receives #11, #23, a 2025 Rd 1 pick, and a 2025 Rd 3 pick 4 Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. Ohio State 5 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Joe Alt ND 6 New York Giants - QB Drake Maye UNC 7 Tennessee - WR Rome Odunze Wash 8 Atlanta - Edge Dallas Turner Alabama 9 Chicago - WR Malik Nabers LSU 10 New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu Penn St 11 New England **TRADE** Las Vegas traded #13, a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd to move up to 11 for Michael Penix Jr 12 Denver - QB Bo Nix Oregon 13 New England - TE Brock Bowers Georgia 14 New Orleans - OT J.C. Latham Alabama 15 Indianapolis- CB Kool-Aid Mckinstry Alabama 16 Seattle - T/G Troy Fautanu Washington 17 Jacksonville - *TRADE* Jacksonville trades 17 and 96 to Philadelphia for 22 and 53. Philadelphia selects CB Terrion Arnold Alabama 18 Cincinnati 19 Los Angeles Rams 20 Pittsburgh 21 Miami 22 Jacksonville 23 New England 24 Dallas 25 Green Bay 26 Tampa Bay 27 Arizona 28 Buffalo 29 Detroit 30 Baltimore 31 San Francisco 32 Kansas City
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Post by johngrant on Apr 15, 2024 15:02:48 GMT -5
1 Williams CHI 2 Daniels D.C. 3 Maye NE 4 MHJ AZ 5 Alt LAC 6 JJM Vikes via trade 7 Fashanu TN 8 Turner ATL 9 Murphy CHI 10 Latham NYJ
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 15, 2024 15:06:43 GMT -5
1 Williams CHI 2 Daniels D.C. 3 Maye NE 4 MHJ AZ 5 Alt LAC 6 JJM Vikes via trade 7 Fashanu TN 8 Turner ATL 9 Murphy CHI 10 Latham NYJ That third pick is horrible. <sarcasm, sort of> (I know itās realistic. Iām not on the Maye bandwagon)
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Apr 15, 2024 15:07:13 GMT -5
1 Williams CHI 2 Daniels D.C. 3 Maye NE 4 MHJ AZ 5 Alt LAC 6 JJM Vikes via trade 7 Fashanu TN 8 Turner ATL 9 Murphy CHI 10 Latham NYJ You canāt rewrite history, man!!! They traded down twice and took the best player availableā¦ššš
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Post by johngrant on Apr 15, 2024 15:08:32 GMT -5
1 Williams CHI 2 Daniels D.C. 3 Maye NE 4 MHJ AZ 5 Alt LAC 6 JJM Vikes via trade 7 Fashanu TN 8 Turner ATL 9 Murphy CHI 10 Latham NYJ That third pick is horrible. <sarcasm, sort of> (I know itās realistic. Iām not on the Maye bandwagon) Iām not necessarily on the Maye wagon either, itās just what I predict will happen
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 15, 2024 16:09:21 GMT -5
This mock draft is glacial. 1. Chicago - QB Caleb Williams USC 2 Washington - QB Jayden Daniels LSU 3 New England ***TRADE*** Minnesota moves up to select QB JJ Mc Carthy. NE receives #11, #23, a 2025 Rd 1 pick, and a 2025 Rd 3 pick 4 Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. Ohio State 5 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Joe Alt ND 6 New York Giants - QB Drake Maye UNC 7 Tennessee - WR Rome Odunze Wash 8 Atlanta - Edge Dallas Turner Alabama 9 Chicago - WR Malik Nabers LSU 10 New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu Penn St 11 New England **TRADE** Las Vegas traded #13, a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd to move up to 11 for Michael Penix Jr 12 Denver - QB Bo Nix Oregon 13 New England - TE Brock Bowers Georgia 14 New Orleans - OT J.C. Latham Alabama 15 Indianapolis- CB Kool-Aid Mckinstry Alabama 16 Seattle - T/G Troy Fautanu Washington 17 Jacksonville - *TRADE* Jacksonville trades 17 and 96 to Philadelphia for 22 and 53. Philadelphia selects CB Terrion Arnold Alabama 18 Cincinnati 19 Los Angeles Rams 20 Pittsburgh 21 Miami 22 Jacksonville 23 New England 24 Dallas 25 Green Bay 26 Tampa Bay 27 Arizona 28 Buffalo 29 Detroit 30 Baltimore 31 San Francisco 32 Kansas City The above would be a horrible draft for NE. No excuse drafting Bowers over a QB. Not even the addtional picks from the trade. That just screams that members of the collaboration lack the balls to pick a QB. Fire the entire FO, if that happens.
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Post by g00dd on Apr 15, 2024 16:47:02 GMT -5
The above would be a horrible draft for NE. No excuse drafting Bowers over a QB. Not even the addtional picks from the trade. That just screams that members of the collaboration lack the balls to pick a QB. Fire the entire FO, if that happens. Blame MB and Wazzu haha
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Apr 15, 2024 16:59:38 GMT -5
This mock draft is glacial. 1. Chicago - QB Caleb Williams USC 2 Washington - QB Jayden Daniels LSU 3 New England ***TRADE*** Minnesota moves up to select QB JJ Mc Carthy. NE receives #11, #23, a 2025 Rd 1 pick, and a 2025 Rd 3 pick 4 Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. Ohio State 5 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Joe Alt ND 6 New York Giants - QB Drake Maye UNC 7 Tennessee - WR Rome Odunze Wash 8 Atlanta - Edge Dallas Turner Alabama 9 Chicago - WR Malik Nabers LSU 10 New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu Penn St 11 New England **TRADE** Las Vegas traded #13, a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd to move up to 11 for Michael Penix Jr 12 Denver - QB Bo Nix Oregon 13 New England - TE Brock Bowers Georgia 14 New Orleans - OT J.C. Latham Alabama 15 Indianapolis- CB Kool-Aid Mckinstry Alabama 16 Seattle - T/G Troy Fautanu Washington 17 Jacksonville - *TRADE* Jacksonville trades 17 and 96 to Philadelphia for 22 and 53. Philadelphia selects CB Terrion Arnold Alabama 18 Cincinnati 19 Los Angeles Rams 20 Pittsburgh 21 Miami 22 Jacksonville 23 New England 24 Dallas 25 Green Bay 26 Tampa Bay 27 Arizona 28 Buffalo 29 Detroit 30 Baltimore 31 San Francisco 32 Kansas City The above would be a horrible draft for NE. No excuse drafting Bowers over a QB. Not even the addtional picks from the trade. That just screams that members of the collaboration lack the balls to pick a QB. Fire the entire FO, if that happens. All 5 'top' QB's had already been selected. You can't pick a guy who isn't available. At that point you shoot for the moon and hope you hit. Bowers was a consensus top 5 pick in everyone's mock a month ago. McCarthy, Penix and Nix were second rounders 3 weeks ago. Now they are all top 12 picks? People go nuts for QB's, they talk themselves into seeing things that aren't really there. Which is why 95% of them don't pan out. You have a much better chance of drafting another Mac than you do of picking a guy who can a. develop b. become a winner c. get you to the playoffs d. make and win the conference championship and e. win the Super Bowl. Note: Penix and Nix are still late first rounders according to the 'consensus'. www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024
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Post by wazzu on Apr 15, 2024 17:06:39 GMT -5
The above would be a horrible draft for NE. No excuse drafting Bowers over a QB. Not even the addtional picks from the trade. That just screams that members of the collaboration lack the balls to pick a QB.Ā Fire the entire FO, if that happens. All 5 'top' QB's had already been selected. You can't pick a guy who isn't available. At that point you shoot for the moon and hope you hit. Bowers was a consensus top 5 pick in everyone's mock a month ago. McCarthy, Penix and Nix were second rounders 3 weeks ago. Now they are all top 12 picks? People go nuts for QB's, they talk themselves into seeing things that aren't really there. Which is why 95% of them don't pan out.Ā Good post. I often think that teams would draft better if they just made their draft board before New Years and didnāt even acknowledge the ādraft processā. Just rate guys based on how you came away with them during their college career. Forget about the workouts. Forget about the combine. Forget about interviews. Forget about crazy in-depth stats. Got with the eye test. Go with their game tape. Go with your gut. Because youāre right. A lot of these guys are seen one way in December, but in a completely different light in April. And what changed?
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 15, 2024 19:43:12 GMT -5
The above would be a horrible draft for NE. No excuse drafting Bowers over a QB. Not even the addtional picks from the trade. That just screams that members of the collaboration lack the balls to pick a QB. Fire the entire FO, if that happens. All 5 'top' QB's had already been selected. You can't pick a guy who isn't available. At that point you shoot for the moon and hope you hit. Bowers was a consensus top 5 pick in everyone's mock a month ago. McCarthy, Penix and Nix were second rounders 3 weeks ago. Now they are all top 12 picks? People go nuts for QB's, they talk themselves into seeing things that aren't really there. Which is why 95% of them don't pan out. You have a much better chance of drafting another Mac than you do of picking a guy who can a. develop b. become a winner c. get you to the playoffs d. make and win the conference championship and e. win the Super Bowl. Note: Penix and Nix are still late first rounders according to the 'consensus'. www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024My comment was not directed specifically at you. It was just an opinion that it would be a horrible draft in general if it played out that way - i.e., they ended up not drafting a QB. In reviewing how that mock draft played out, it all makes sense. It was Wazzu who traded out of 11, and mocked Penix to the LVR. Wazzu does not like (actually, more like hates) the idea of drafting Penix. At least he has been consistent all year. He has always claimed it's just about Penix's health. Does not matter that the medicals recently confirmed that he is in good health. As for grades changing over time, I think it's valid for opinions to evolve in some cases. But to some degree, consensus evolves because of where information is coming from. 1) Usually, earlier in the season, it's just the "draft gurus" you hear from. 2) Followed by those who publish big boards and mock drafts based on what they hear from scouts (note, these people who publish stuff might not actually watch games and evaluate players; but some of them also pretend to) 3) NFL coaches do not really get involved until the season ends; so the people I am referring to in #2 have to adjust their "consensus" to account for the opinions they are hearing from coaches, starting in Feb thru Apr.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 15, 2024 20:09:58 GMT -5
All 5 'top' QB's had already been selected. You can't pick a guy who isn't available. At that point you shoot for the moon and hope you hit. Bowers was a consensus top 5 pick in everyone's mock a month ago. McCarthy, Penix and Nix were second rounders 3 weeks ago. Now they are all top 12 picks? People go nuts for QB's, they talk themselves into seeing things that aren't really there. Which is why 95% of them don't pan out. You have a much better chance of drafting another Mac than you do of picking a guy who can a. develop b. become a winner c. get you to the playoffs d. make and win the conference championship and e. win the Super Bowl. Note: Penix and Nix are still late first rounders according to the 'consensus'.Ā www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024My comment was not directed specifically at you. It was just an opinion that it would be a horrible draft in general if it played out that way - i.e., they ended up not drafting a QB.Ā In reviewing how that mock draft played out, it all makes sense.Ā It was Wazzu who traded out of 11, and mocked Penix to the LVR. Wazzu does not like (actually, more like hates) the idea of drafting Penix. At least he has been consistent all year. He has always claimed it's just about Penix's health. Does not matter that the medicals recently confirmed that he is in good health.Ā As for grades changing over time, I think it's valid for opinions to evolve in some cases.Ā But to some degree, consensus evolves because of where information is coming from. 1) Usually, earlier in the season, it's just the "draft gurus" you hear from. 2) Followed by those who publish big boards and mock drafts based on what they hear from scouts (note, these people who publish stuff might not actually watch games and evaluate players; but some of them also pretend to) 3) NFL coaches do not really get involved until the season ends; so the people I am referring to in #2 have to adjust their "consensus" to account for the opinions they are hearing from coaches, starting in Feb thru Apr. To clarify your comments about how I feel about Michael Penix Jr: I do hate his health history. Thatās been a huge red flag to me the entire time. I understand that his medicals looked good at the combine, but that doesnāt change the fact that heās had a lot of major health issues in his early 20ās. To me, that doesnāt bode well for the future. Sorry I also saw him on the ropes against a poor WSU defense at home, in a huge, must-win game. He played pretty poorly that day, and his RB probably saved their bacon that day. That Coug defense was pretty weak, but they gave him a lot of problems. I donāt like his throwing motion. He can throw it all over the field, which I do like, but the almost side-arm motion is concerning to me. I think that could be problematic at times agaisnt NFL D-Lines. In the end, heās got arm talent. Totally does. And I like that. And he seems to be a leader. I like that too. But I think his injury history is too much of a risk for me to take. NE is in such a premium position in this draft. They havenāt picked this high in ages, and hopefully wonāt for years and years to come. This is too good of an opportunity to take a risk on a guy with his injury history. There are no sure things. Maye comes with risks of his own. But Iāll gladly take the risk on a younger player with a clean bill of health and tremendous physical upside. Yep. He needs to clean up his footwork. Yep. He needs to mature and get a better feel in the pocket. But thatās the guy Iām taking the risk on. I just think heās a much better bet than Penix.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 15, 2024 20:58:09 GMT -5
Oh! Now I see who traded out of P3 - it's MB! MB does not like Maye. The way this mock draft played out, it's funny!
Hey MB, next time just pick a QB at P3.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 16, 2024 7:23:03 GMT -5
Oh! Now I see who traded out of P3 - it's MB! MB does not like Maye. The way this mock draft played out, it's funny! Hey MB, next time just pick a QB at P3. Penix injury history is rather concerning but Iād rather him than Drake Maye. I wouldnāt want either at #3. Maye is fools gold. He needs the players to elevate his game because he canāt elevate his teammates. Again, I wouldnāt select a player at 3 with the intention of not playing him. The roster needs talent and players on the field now. Selecting Maye with hopes of him becoming a good player is a bad idea. Pick the guy at three you know can play right now.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 16, 2024 7:51:31 GMT -5
Oh! Now I see who traded out of P3 - it's MB! MB does not like Maye. The way this mock draft played out, it's funny! Hey MB, next time just pick a QB at P3. I wanted to throw a little curve in there for fun... it could have resulted in Michael Penix Jr. at #11, but wazzu traded that pick. If I was making the pick at #3, it would be JJ Foxboro.
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Post by michiganadam on Apr 16, 2024 8:42:01 GMT -5
NE could still end up with penix by either trading up or simply selecting him. I like the idea of drafting Bowers though. Helps running game and short/intermediate passing game. More critical than a WR to me. No QB is a risk though.
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Post by g00dd on Apr 16, 2024 16:53:44 GMT -5
NE could still end up with penix by either trading up or simply selecting him. I like the idea of drafting Bowers though. Helps running game and short/intermediate passing game. More critical than a WR to me. No QB is a risk though. If you don't take either a QB or OT in round 1, and the other in round 2 its a fail IMO.
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Post by digger0862 on Apr 16, 2024 18:03:01 GMT -5
1. Chicago - QB Caleb Williams USC 2 Washington - QB Jayden Daniels LSU 3 New England ***TRADE*** Minnesota moves up to select QB JJ Mc Carthy. NE receives #11, #23, a 2025 Rd 1 pick, and a 2025 Rd 3 pick 4 Arizona - WR Marvin Harrison Jr. Ohio State 5 Los Angeles Chargers - OT Joe Alt ND 6 New York Giants - QB Drake Maye UNC 7 Tennessee - WR Rome Odunze Wash 8 Atlanta - Edge Dallas Turner Alabama 9 Chicago - WR Malik Nabers LSU 10 New York Jets - OT Olu Fashanu Penn St 11 New England **TRADE** Las Vegas traded #13, a 2024 3rd and 2025 2nd to move up to 11 for Michael Penix Jr 12 Denver - QB Bo Nix Oregon 13 New England - TE Brock Bowers Georgia 14 New Orleans - OT J.C. Latham Alabama 15 Indianapolis- CB Kool-Aid Mckinstry Alabama 16 Seattle - T/G Troy Fautanu Washington 17 Jacksonville - *TRADE* Jacksonville trades 17 and 96 to Philadelphia for 22 and 53. Philadelphia selects CB Terrion Arnold Alabama 18 Cincinnati - OT Taliese Fuaga Oregon State 19 Los Angeles Rams 20 Pittsburgh 21 Miami 22 Jacksonville 23 New England 24 Dallas 25 Green Bay 26 Tampa Bay 27 Arizona 28 Buffalo 29 Detroit 30 Baltimore 31 San Francisco 32 Kansas City
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 16, 2024 21:20:00 GMT -5
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