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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 22, 2024 9:44:47 GMT -5
Happy Draft Week!
-On my commute to the office this morning, I had a strong gut feeling that NE would end up with Jayden Daniels on Thursday night. Well, Jayden Daniels or Joe Alt, and that latter name has been flashing for me the entire draft cycle.
-Everyone has their preferred Rd 1 QB at this point, and most would agree that they have to take one early... so it just comes down to who they'll end up with. And, while JJM is my guy in this class, I'd be super stoked to land Jayden Daniels. Most know I'm not a big Drake Maye guy, but honestly, any QB they take in Rd 1 would excite me, as it would show just how high they were on that players potential, and fit with the team.
-The other ND OT has flashed a good amount for me as well. You may not know this, but Blake Fisher actually won the LT job out of fall camp as a true freshman, then got hurt. Joe Alt took over, and never gave it back, so I think he's a dude that can come in an play on either side of the line, and do it at a high level.
-This has also been a bit of a weird class for me, as I've done next to no research on players outside of some QB's, WR's and OT's... so it'll be fun to see how things unwind, and who they take... and then look into those players.
-It wouldn't surprise me to see them target as many players as possible form schools like Michigan, Texas, Washington, Alabama and Georgia, etc. Championship level programs, to incorporate that championship level swagger amongst it's young players.
What are your gut feeling(s)?
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Post by ATJ on Apr 22, 2024 9:51:25 GMT -5
Truthfully, I'm thinking they'll trade down but still land a 1st rd QB. I actually think they may make 2 1st rd trades so that they get the guy (or one of them) and still snag more picks.
Do I know what I'm talking about? Of course not; I'm just a bullshit Pats fan posting meaningless crap in an on line forum. And to be clear, I'm speaking only for myself. There are a number of guys on here who truly have a sense of how the draft works on what the players can bring.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 22, 2024 10:39:12 GMT -5
I’ve felt for quite a while like the Redskins are taking Maye. So yeah, I think most likely scenario is Daniels to NE. If I’m right and the Skins take Maye, I think NE would like to trade back, but I really don’t think they will get any strong trade offers.
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Post by backbay on Apr 22, 2024 10:45:09 GMT -5
I'd like to see a trade down the #3 with the Giants for their #6 (1st rd), #47 (2nd rd), #70 (3rd rd) and 1st round pick in 2025.
That would give Patriots 5 picks in first 3 rounds at #6, #34 and #47 (rd 2), #68 and #70 (rd 3).
And take Penix or JJM w/ #6.
The only other one might be with Minnesota. Our #3 for their #11 and #23, and 1st Rounder for 2025. The problem wil picking at #11 is that Daniels, JJM, and Maye are likely off the board by then?? And, maybe Penix too??
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Post by wazzu on Apr 22, 2024 10:47:51 GMT -5
I'd like to see a trade down the #3 with the Giants for their #6 (1st rd), #47 (2nd rd), #70 (3rd rd) and 1st round pick in 2025. That would give Patriots 5 picks in first 3 rounds at #6, #34 and #47 (rd 2), #68 and #70 (rd 3). And take Penix or JJM w/ #6. The only other one might be with Minnesota. Our #3 for their #11 and #23, and 1st Rounder for 2025. The problem wil picking at #11 is that Daniels, JJM, and Maye are likely off the board by then?? And, maybe Penix too?? Look at it from the other side. Why would the Giants do that? That’s a hell of a lot to give up to move up three spots. |
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Post by texaspat on Apr 22, 2024 10:52:11 GMT -5
I'd like to see a trade down the #3 with the Giants for their #6 (1st rd), #47 (2nd rd), #70 (3rd rd) and 1st round pick in 2025. That would give Patriots 5 picks in first 3 rounds at #6, #34 and #47 (rd 2), #68 and #70 (rd 3). And take Penix or JJM w/ #6. The only other one might be with Minnesota. Our #3 for their #11 and #23, and 1st Rounder for 2025. The problem wil picking at #11 is that Daniels, JJM, and Maye are likely off the board by then?? And, maybe Penix too?? Not nearly enough. Taking Penix or McCarthy at pick #6?? Negative. They should take OT Alt or a top WR at #6...or even trade down further. I'd want their 6th and 47th overall picks this year, their #1 pick in 2025, and their #1 pick in 2026. |
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Post by wazzu on Apr 22, 2024 10:53:29 GMT -5
I'd like to see a trade down the #3 with the Giants for their #6 (1st rd), #47 (2nd rd), #70 (3rd rd) and 1st round pick in 2025. That would give Patriots 5 picks in first 3 rounds at #6, #34 and #47 (rd 2), #68 and #70 (rd 3). And take Penix or JJM w/ #6. The only other one might be with Minnesota. Our #3 for their #11 and #23, and 1st Rounder for 2025. The problem wil picking at #11 is that Daniels, JJM, and Maye are likely off the board by then?? And, maybe Penix too?? Not nearly enough. Taking Penix or McCarthy at pick #6?? Negative. They should take OT Alt or a top WR at #6...or even trade down further. I'd want their 6th and 47th overall picks this year, their #1 pick in 2025, and their #1 pick in 2026. That’s insane. There’s no way in hell the Giants would do that. |
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Post by freediro on Apr 22, 2024 11:41:13 GMT -5
Not nearly enough. Taking Penix or McCarthy at pick #6?? Negative. They should take OT Alt or a top WR at #6...or even trade down further. I'd want their 6th and 47th overall picks this year, their #1 pick in 2025, and their #1 pick in 2026. That’s insane. There’s no way in hell the Giants would do that. Its not insane, it’s the cost of the 3rd overall pick. Why are so many fans just willing to hand over the 3rd pick!? Most of the shit offers I see on here, if the rolls were reversed, we’d be laughing at how bad we fleeced a team. |
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 22, 2024 12:02:21 GMT -5
That’s insane. There’s no way in hell the Giants would do that. Its not insane, it’s the cost of the 3rd overall pick. Why are so many fans just willing to hand over the 3rd pick!? Most of the shit offers I see on here, if the rolls were reversed, we’d be laughing at how bad we fleeced a team. I agree with waz on this one. A team giving up three 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder to move up three spots sounds crazy to me, too. |
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Apr 22, 2024 12:08:28 GMT -5
Truthfully, I'm thinking they'll trade down but still land a 1st rd QB. I actually think they may make 2 1st rd trades so that they get the guy (or one of them) and still snag more picks. Do I know what I'm talking about? Of course not; I'm just a bullshit Pats fan posting meaningless crap in an on line forum. And to be clear, I'm speaking only for myself. There are a number of guys on here who truly have a sense of how the draft works on what the players can bring. This is, to me, the very best case scenario. They need an influx of young talent, and not just at QB, but of guys that can grow together with (and be ready to replace) the current core (Andrews, Bentley, Judon, Jon Jones, Peppers, Wise, Barmore, Tavai, Strange, Stevenson etc) and short term signings (Osborn, Reagor, Brissett), the veterans they have committed to for the next several seasons (Onwenu, Dugger, Henry, Jennings, Bourne, Gibson) and the rookie class from last year (Gonzales, White, Mapu, Andrews, Sow, Mafi, Douglas). I don't think they need a 22 person draft class as DaPatriots has pushed for, but if they can drop back once or twice and grab a few extra top 100 picks (and use them wisely), it could go a long way to restocking the roster. |
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Post by freediro on Apr 22, 2024 12:27:34 GMT -5
Its not insane, it’s the cost of the 3rd overall pick. Why are so many fans just willing to hand over the 3rd pick!? Most of the shit offers I see on here, if the rolls were reversed, we’d be laughing at how bad we fleeced a team. I agree with waz on this one. A team giving up three 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder to move up three spots sounds crazy to me, too. Theyre giving up 2 1st, not 3. Instead of now waiting around at 6 they’re getting the 3rd pick so you better pay for it if you want to be there so badly to draft the QB you think is gonna set up your franchise for years to come. |
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 22, 2024 12:31:40 GMT -5
I agree with waz on this one. A team giving up three 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder to move up three spots sounds crazy to me, too. Theyre giving up 2 1st, not 3. Instead of now waiting around at 6 they’re getting the 3rd pick so you better pay for it if you want to be there so badly to draft the QB you think is gonna set up your franchise for years to come. He said he wanted #6, #47, a 2025 1st, and a 2026 1st. That's three 1st's and a 2nd to move up three spots. |
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Post by wazzu on Apr 22, 2024 12:35:11 GMT -5
I agree with waz on this one. A team giving up three 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder to move up three spots sounds crazy to me, too. Theyre giving up 2 1st, not 3. Instead of now waiting around at 6 they’re getting the 3rd pick so you better pay for it if you want to be there so badly to draft the QB you think is gonna set up your franchise for years to come. I’d love to see NE get an offer like that, but it ain’t going to happen. Giants aren’t giving that much up to move up to 3. |
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Post by freediro on Apr 22, 2024 12:39:47 GMT -5
Theyre giving up 2 1st, not 3. Instead of now waiting around at 6 they’re getting the 3rd pick so you better pay for it if you want to be there so badly to draft the QB you think is gonna set up your franchise for years to come. He said he wanted #6, #47, a 2025 1st, and a 2026 1st. That's three 1st's and a 2nd to move up three spots. I know that but going from 6 to get 3 isn’t giving up a 1st that is a swap, the other 2 1st are giving up a 1st to get to that 3rd pick. Whatever, semantics. I like the idea of trading with the Vikings for their 2 first rounds and next years first and 3rd, but I’d want that young tackle they have because you could plug him right away. He’s not all-pro, but he’s very good. |
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Post by wazzu on Apr 22, 2024 12:47:36 GMT -5
He said he wanted #6, #47, a 2025 1st, and a 2026 1st. That's three 1st's and a 2nd to move up three spots. I know that but going from 6 to get 3 isn’t giving up a 1st that is a swap, the other 2 1st are giving up a 1st to get to that 3rd pick. Whatever, semantics. I like the idea of trading with the Vikings for their 2 first rounds and next years first and 3rd, but I’d want that young tackle they have because you could plug him right away. He’s not all-pro, but he’s very good. That isn’t happening either. You’re dreaming on these trade packages. Better be ready to make a pick at #3. |
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 22, 2024 12:51:12 GMT -5
He said he wanted #6, #47, a 2025 1st, and a 2026 1st. That's three 1st's and a 2nd to move up three spots. I know that but going from 6 to get 3 isn’t giving up a 1st that is a swap, the other 2 1st are giving up a 1st to get to that 3rd pick. Whatever, semantics. I like the idea of trading with the Vikings for their 2 first rounds and next years first and 3rd, but I’d want that young tackle they have because you could plug him right away. He’s not all-pro, but he’s very good. Yeah, getting three, netting two. The pick for #11 worries me, as you're possibly running the risk of ending up with the #6 QB in the class, or maybe none of the top 6. If they can move back to #11, and land Penix Jr., I'm all for it. |
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Post by freediro on Apr 22, 2024 13:00:43 GMT -5
I know that but going from 6 to get 3 isn’t giving up a 1st that is a swap, the other 2 1st are giving up a 1st to get to that 3rd pick. Whatever, semantics. I like the idea of trading with the Vikings for their 2 first rounds and next years first and 3rd, but I’d want that young tackle they have because you could plug him right away. He’s not all-pro, but he’s very good. That isn’t happening either. You’re dreaming on these trade packages. Better be ready to make a pick at #3. good! Because I am not willing to make a B quality trade with no guarantee of who you get lower in the 1st round (6-11) or even later in the 1st with the additional pick. |
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Post by freediro on Apr 22, 2024 13:01:14 GMT -5
I know that but going from 6 to get 3 isn’t giving up a 1st that is a swap, the other 2 1st are giving up a 1st to get to that 3rd pick. Whatever, semantics. I like the idea of trading with the Vikings for their 2 first rounds and next years first and 3rd, but I’d want that young tackle they have because you could plug him right away. He’s not all-pro, but he’s very good. Yeah, getting three, netting two. The pick for #11 worries me, as you're possibly running the risk of ending up with the #6 QB in the class, or maybe none of the top 6. If they can move back to #11, and land Penix Jr., I'm all for it. agree, and getting Penix could be a big IF |
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Post by freediro on Apr 22, 2024 13:05:03 GMT -5
I’d like to see aggressive trading up before I see trading down.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 22, 2024 13:11:26 GMT -5
I’ve felt for quite a while like the Redskins are taking Maye. So yeah, I think most likely scenario is Daniels to NE. If I’m right and the Skins take Maye, I think NE would like to trade back, but I really don’t think they will get any strong trade offers. i think theyll get plenty of offers to trade back... problem is, i dont think any of them will be a package anywhere near enough to entice them to trade back... the only trade back from 3 that i could maybe see them entertaining with the offer that might come in... would be to trade back to 6 with the giants, if they want to move up for a QB. i think if they could get the giants to trade 6, their 25 1st and maybe a 24 4th or something, they might bite on that...but i think most likely, they end up sitting tight at 3 and take one of maye, daniels or jjm. i think the real trade action will likely be at 4 or 5, with one or more of the giants, vikings, broncos, raiders looking to move up to nab whatever qb of the top 4 qbs is left over. |
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 22, 2024 13:11:41 GMT -5
Theyre giving up 2 1st, not 3. Instead of now waiting around at 6 they’re getting the 3rd pick so you better pay for it if you want to be there so badly to draft the QB you think is gonna set up your franchise for years to come. He said he wanted #6, #47, a 2025 1st, and a 2026 1st. That's three 1st's and a 2nd to move up three spots. This is an offer I'd accept from the Giants because you're still getting JJ or one of Alt/Nabers/Odunze. For Minnesota, you're going down to 11 so none of those guys I just listed will be available there in all likelihood. I want 11, 23, their 1sts in 2025 and 2026 and a 2027 2nd round pick in order to consider it. Or 11, 23, a 1st in 2025, Christian Darrisaw and a 3rd in 2026. Otherwise, no. |
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Post by thejuice on Apr 22, 2024 13:12:26 GMT -5
I'd like to see a trade down the #3 with the Giants for their #6 (1st rd), #47 (2nd rd), #70 (3rd rd) and 1st round pick in 2025. That would give Patriots 5 picks in first 3 rounds at #6, #34 and #47 (rd 2), #68 and #70 (rd 3). And take Penix or JJM w/ #6. The only other one might be with Minnesota. Our #3 for their #11 and #23, and 1st Rounder for 2025. The problem wil picking at #11 is that Daniels, JJM, and Maye are likely off the board by then?? And, maybe Penix too?? Look at it from the other side. Why would the Giants do that? That’s a hell of a lot to give up to move up three spots. agreed. thats way too much for them to give up to move up 3 spots.. but if you got that offer, take it immediately. |
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Post by thejuice on Apr 22, 2024 13:15:41 GMT -5
He said he wanted #6, #47, a 2025 1st, and a 2026 1st. That's three 1st's and a 2nd to move up three spots. I know that but going from 6 to get 3 isn’t giving up a 1st that is a swap, the other 2 1st are giving up a 1st to get to that 3rd pick. Whatever, semantics. I like the idea of trading with the Vikings for their 2 first rounds and next years first and 3rd, but I’d want that young tackle they have because you could plug him right away. He’s not all-pro, but he’s very good. 11,23,25 1st, 25 3rd and lt christian darrisaw would be a really hard deal to turn down if that was the offer. really all comes down to how do you feel about qbs in this draft after the top 4 go (cause theyll all be gone by 11) and the possibilities of qbs in rd 1 of next years draft. of course, with all that ammo you could try to move back up into the top 10 if one of the top 4 qbs falls a few picks.... going to be interesting few days for sure coming up... i for one and pretty excited and looking forward to it... |
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Post by thejuice on Apr 22, 2024 13:16:52 GMT -5
I’d like to see aggressive trading up before I see trading down. same here... but for me, the one exception to that would be hoping they dont trade up from 3 overall  |
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Post by freediro on Apr 22, 2024 13:20:38 GMT -5
I’d like to see aggressive trading up before I see trading down. same here... but for me, the one exception to that would be hoping they dont trade up from 3 overall lol, that would be actually hilarious. I’d probably die laughing if we traded up to 2nd just to choose the QB the collaborative wants. |
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