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Post by thejuice on Apr 25, 2024 14:57:50 GMT -5
i mean if thats the main reason they end up going with jjm over another qb... then 1)clearly the clown show is in full effect and rkk and/or jk are way too involved in player acquisition decisions and 2) that would be maybe dumber than the epiphany rkk had years ago on the trip to israel when he decided then and there mayo was going to be the next HC of the NEP....and by the way, im not saying thats what i think is happening here lol... just saying that if it was...
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Post by squishthefish on Apr 25, 2024 15:08:52 GMT -5
ESPN’s Dan Graziano and Jeremy Fowler write the Patriots are considering all options with the No. 3 pick but the sense is ownership really wants to come out of this draft with a quarterback, and that could impact how far they’d be willing to drop. Fowler says his sense after talking to sources is the Patriots have LSU QB Jayden Daniels ahead of North Carolina QB Drake Maye, who’s ahead of Michigan QB J.J. McCarthy on New England’s board. Graziano adds the Patriots have done a lot of homework on Washington QB Michael Penix Jr. and seem to like him as a fallback if they trade down, not as an option at No. 3. Fowler mentions a source pointed out not to discount owner Robert Kraft‘s potential affinity for McCarthy given the success of the last quarterback they had from Michigan. As far as the Patriots’ plans at the top of the second round, the two note receiver should be a high priority for the team. Albert Breer confirms the Patriots will listen to trade offers until they’re on the clock at No. 3. However, Breer says the likelihood is New England stays where they are and takes a quarterback. Charles Robinson mentions the Patriots are open to trading No. 3 overall, but the cost will be high, as New England could use a young quarterback of their own. Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports says he’s yet to speak with someone who “believes strongly Maye will be the Patriots’ pick.” However, Jones says most appear to be assuming Maye will go No. 3 overall. Jones adds that it “would take a massive offer” for the Patriots to trade down. The Athletic’s Dianna Russini explains a previous tweet about ownership being more involved, specifically Patriots president Jonathan Kraft. A longtime league executive told her Patriots ownership is more involved and the team has yet to give the GM title to director of scouting Eliot Wolf, though he is leading the front office. The source added things have shifted to a more collaborative process overseen by Kraft, with the football ops being allowed to make final calls while keeping a constant line of communication with the Krafts. RESPONSE: God help us. Has Kraft transitioned into Jerrah Jones?
She also notes the Patriots haven’t had a real firm offer for the No. 3 pick yet and at this point look like they’re on a trajectory to stay and pick. However, if they do trade down, Russini expects them to move back up for a quarterback. The Athletic’s Jeff Howe writes the Patriots feel like the landing spot for Maye. Some executives have made the case for McCarthy as the pick, but that would be a surprise, and one coach told Howe: “I don’t think Eliot wants to make too many surprises [in his first draft].” Chad Graff and Russini, writing for the Athletic, say it’s come into focus in recent days how high the Patriots are on Maye as a textbook scheme fit for the offense they want to run. He’s got terrific physical talent and the team leadership loves his mental makeup and potential as well. The two say it feels right now that if Maye is available, the Patriots will hang up the phone and turn in the pick. However, if Maye goes No. 2 overall, the Patriots think that could spark a bidding war between the Vikings and Raiders for Daniels, resulting in an offer New England can’t turn down. In that scenario, Graff and Russini write the Patriots would trade down, then look to come back up for McCarthy who they also see as being worth a top-ten pick. On Day 2, Graff and Russini explain the plan is to try and get a starting left tackle, someone athletic like BYU’s Kingsley Suamataia, Houston’s Patrick Paul or Washington’s Roger Rosengarten, and a starting outside receiver. They point out while it’s a strong receiver class, it’s thinner when filtered to just “X-receiver” types. Arizona TE Tanner McLachlan had an official 30 visit with the Patriots. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/draft-rumors-drake-maye-j-j-mccarthy-bills-dolphins-jets-patriots/ar-AA1nBMkt?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=52e1fa77f70b4fd4d1e31a2f41411721&ei=20 Even worse, it was reported that Bob sat down and met and talked with McCarthy during his visit. If the collaboration are trying to fully understand the player and get a full analysis on every possible qb, why would some of that valuable visit time be allocated to Bob and his determining if this qb is his next son in waiting? Do you ever remember hearing about Bob sitting down with potential draft picks during their visits for a one on one?
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Post by squishthefish on Apr 25, 2024 15:11:32 GMT -5
Alt and Penix or Fashanu and Penix would make me very happy! After reading and watching videos of the QB's over the past couple of months I'm still a bit torn. I don't see a sure fire guy even though one or two of them could very well be a future HOF QB. If I had to pick one between Williams, Daniels, Maye, McCarthy, Penix and Nix I'd take Penix. Just love his arm, maturity, hand size and can still run if he needs to. Age makes no difference to me when drafting a QB. If you think he's the guy and could be your franchise QB for 10+ years then who cares if he's 24. I remember a guy that started when he was 24 and played here for almost 20 years (his name escapes me at the moment ). With that said, whoever they do end up drafting I'll root for unless he turns out to be a complete nincompoop i am fine with penix... if its late first rd or at pick 34 (and weve traded down a bit from 3, acquired multiple draft assets in doing so and still drafted a really good player in rd 1)... but you just cant take a guy with his injury history anywhere near 3 or the top half of rd 1 imo. My biggest fear with Penix is the fields he will play on. Every year they’d face the jets in nj and that turf has destroyed many knees and acl’s and he has had 2 surgeries on 1 acl already. This should be a concern for any team playing in a turf stadium or playing an opponent in a turf stadium.
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Post by patsfan2007 on Apr 25, 2024 15:22:22 GMT -5
I'd like to see a trade back to #11.
We get any of:
1) Fashanu 2) Penix 3) Nix
This is also my prediction.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 25, 2024 15:25:39 GMT -5
Its not Draft day its MAYE DAY BABY!!! Mayday mayday! You’re about to draft a huge bust!
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Post by philskiw on Apr 25, 2024 15:38:24 GMT -5
Just take Alt. We better not blow this getting cute with trades.
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Post by agcsbill on Apr 25, 2024 15:40:48 GMT -5
There seems to be a huge range on where the top 6 qb's rank. The 1 important thing we don't know is how the pats rank them compared to each other and compared to brissett. The one thing they can't do is pick a player at 3 and get it wrong. If they are not sure their qb choices at 3 have a franchise qb for the next decade....I mean sure, then trade down. For every top 100 pick they add in this draft or the next it lessens the pain of getting no3 wrong. I know the draft is a crap shoot, but 1 pick at 3 has allot more risk then 2 or 3 or more top 100 picks. If your not convinced you have the right guy, I mean certain, then trade down and get more choices to gamble on. What will be interesting is if the majority of folks here appear to be pleased with that pick, most think it will be a QB, what happens if that player does bomb? Will the majority of fans who indicated they were happy with that pick now blame the team for being wrong? The team, as are most teams in the NFL, will never know how a top draft pick will fare in the NFL. It truly is a crap shoot and one in which fans are brutal about them, too!
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 25, 2024 15:40:59 GMT -5
Its not Draft day its MAYE DAY BABY!!! Mayday mayday! You’re about to draft a huge bust! You might as well not tune in. He’s likely gonna be the choice. He’s still a better draft prospect by a ton over mac jones. The draft is a crapshoot. All these guys could be busts.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 25, 2024 15:49:47 GMT -5
There seems to be a huge range on where the top 6 qb's rank. The 1 important thing we don't know is how the pats rank them compared to each other and compared to brissett. The one thing they can't do is pick a player at 3 and get it wrong. If they are not sure their qb choices at 3 have a franchise qb for the next decade....I mean sure, then trade down. For every top 100 pick they add in this draft or the next it lessens the pain of getting no3 wrong. I know the draft is a crap shoot, but 1 pick at 3 has allot more risk then 2 or 3 or more top 100 picks. If your not convinced you have the right guy, I mean certain, then trade down and get more choices to gamble on. What will be interesting is if the majority of folks here appear to be pleased with that pick, most think it will be a QB, what happens if that player does bomb? Will the majority of fans who indicated they were happy with that pick now blame the team for being wrong? The team, as are most teams in the NFL, will never know how a top draft pick will fare in the NFL. It truly is a crap shoot and one in which fans are brutal about them, too! Well, the odds are pretty high that the QB we pick at #3 will in fact be lackluster. If one or both of the QBs picked ahead of us are busts it probably boosts our odds. Very unlikely this draft has more than one or two truly good QBs. I'll tell you what the fans are going to do. They will blame the Krafts. They'll find some angle that allows them to blame the Krafts. It's the trendy thing to do.
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 25, 2024 15:53:26 GMT -5
Its not Draft day its MAYE DAY BABY!!! Mayday mayday! You’re about to draft a huge bust! He only busts if Mayo and Slater bust trying to duplicate Bill Belichicks success. Its still a team sport but its a "QB driven league"! If you have a chance to get a kid who can make all the throws with a cannon arm(opposite of Mac) and is an athlete from a family of champions...then you do it! I just hope Washington doesn't wise up and snatch him at 2.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 25, 2024 15:56:52 GMT -5
I think the only thing that’ll make me happy tonight is seeing us draft Drake Maye…and if Blake Lively comes over and shares a shrimp ring with me.
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 25, 2024 15:57:03 GMT -5
What will be interesting is if the majority of folks here appear to be pleased with that pick, most think it will be a QB, what happens if that player does bomb? Will the majority of fans who indicated they were happy with that pick now blame the team for being wrong? The team, as are most teams in the NFL, will never know how a top draft pick will fare in the NFL. It truly is a crap shoot and one in which fans are brutal about them, too! Well, the odds are pretty high that the QB we pick at #3 will in fact be lackluster. If one or both of the QBs picked ahead of us are busts it probably boosts our odds. Very unlikely this draft has more than one or two truly good QBs. I'll tell you what the fans are going to do. They will blame the Krafts. They'll find some angle that allows them to blame the Krafts. It's the trendy thing to do. Well said. Its all Bob and Johnnys fault lol. They only built us a dynasty! While it's important not to miss on pick 3, imagine the angst if we miss on the next Josh Allen, Pat Mahommes Joe Burrow etc etc. That would really suck.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 25, 2024 16:01:58 GMT -5
I'd like to see a trade back to #11. We get any of: 1) Fashanu 2) Penix 3) Nix This is also my prediction. Nix at 11 no thank you but the other two I’d be good with
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 25, 2024 16:43:50 GMT -5
Well, the odds are pretty high that the QB we pick at #3 will in fact be lackluster. If one or both of the QBs picked ahead of us are busts it probably boosts our odds. Very unlikely this draft has more than one or two truly good QBs. I'll tell you what the fans are going to do. They will blame the Krafts. They'll find some angle that allows them to blame the Krafts. It's the trendy thing to do. Well said. Its all Bob and Johnnys fault lol. They only built us a dynasty! While it's important not to miss on pick 3, imagine the angst if we miss on the next Josh Allen, Pat Mahommes Joe Burrow etc etc. That would really suck. You're right, but isn't it groundhog day every year with the draft? Fans and pundits convince themselves all three of the guys you mentioned are in a single draft when in reality, there is one. Let's hope this draft is different. It probably isn't though. But here's to hoping the 1983 QB draft class repeats itself…41 years later. If we miss out on the next Allen, Burrows, or Mahomes it probably won't be because we traded out of #3, but because he got picked at #1. As for the Krafts, I'm as wary of the background and circumstances of the Mayo hiring as anyone. But it's gotten ridiculous. RK can't even talk to a QB prospect now…a guy who will become the face of the franchise. I was listening to analysts talk about how this isn't unusual at all but we can't let this get in the way of a good narrative lol.
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Post by patsfan2007 on Apr 25, 2024 16:50:24 GMT -5
Mayday mayday! You’re about to draft a huge bust! He only busts if Mayo and Slater bust trying to duplicate Bill Belichicks success. Its still a team sport but its a "QB driven league"! If you have a chance to get a kid who can make all the throws with a cannon arm(opposite of Mac) and is an athlete from a family of champions...then you do it! I just hope Washington doesn't wise up and snatch him at 2. Very nice. Even b4 he's on the team....excuse makers are prepping......like how you plan ahead....
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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Apr 25, 2024 16:52:23 GMT -5
Well, the odds are pretty high that the QB we pick at #3 will in fact be lackluster. If one or both of the QBs picked ahead of us are busts it probably boosts our odds. Very unlikely this draft has more than one or two truly good QBs. I'll tell you what the fans are going to do. They will blame the Krafts. They'll find some angle that allows them to blame the Krafts. It's the trendy thing to do. Well said. Its all Bob and Johnnys fault lol. They only built us a dynasty! While it's important not to miss on pick 3, imagine the angst if we miss on the next Josh Allen, Pat Mahommes Joe Burrow etc etc. That would really suck. Hitting on the next Mac would suck 100 times worse.
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Post by digger0862 on Apr 25, 2024 16:59:45 GMT -5
The Patriots get to choose from the 3rd best QB or the best player at every other position. Too bad they really need a QB.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 25, 2024 17:09:47 GMT -5
The Patriots get to choose from the 3rd best QB or the best player at every other position. Too bad they really need a QB. Well, nobody really knows who the true 1st and 2nd best QBs are. The first person to predict that accurately will be rich.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 25, 2024 17:09:50 GMT -5
The Patriots get to choose from the 3rd best QB or the best player at every other position. Too bad they really need a QB. To be fair, teams are usually in this position because of the QB situation
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 25, 2024 17:18:48 GMT -5
IDK what will make me happy. I just know I would be upset if they end up not picking any of the top 6 QBs.
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Post by thehub on Apr 25, 2024 17:21:49 GMT -5
IDK what will make me happy. I just know I would be upset if they end up not picking any of the top 6 QBs. They are definitely picking one of the top six quarterbacks, and we won’t know if that ends up being good decision for a couple of years. We will get glimpses at spring training and over the course of next year, but you’re really don’t know if you have the guy until he’s been in the league for a few years. The Redskins Thought they had their guy with RG3 The Colts think they have their guy, but I need to see another full year of him before I agree or disagree with that.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 25, 2024 17:26:20 GMT -5
What will be interesting is if the majority of folks here appear to be pleased with that pick, most think it will be a QB, what happens if that player does bomb? Will the majority of fans who indicated they were happy with that pick now blame the team for being wrong? The team, as are most teams in the NFL, will never know how a top draft pick will fare in the NFL. It truly is a crap shoot and one in which fans are brutal about them, too! Well, the odds are pretty high that the QB we pick at #3 will in fact be lackluster. If one or both of the QBs picked ahead of us are busts it probably boosts our odds. Very unlikely this draft has more than one or two truly good QBs.I'll tell you what the fans are going to do. They will blame the Krafts. They'll find some angle that allows them to blame the Krafts. It's the trendy thing to do. My fearless forecast: At least four of the top 6 QBs in this class will be starters when the 2025 season begins; 3 will be top 10 in the NFL when the 2026 season begins.
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 25, 2024 17:31:28 GMT -5
Well, the odds are pretty high that the QB we pick at #3 will in fact be lackluster. If one or both of the QBs picked ahead of us are busts it probably boosts our odds. Very unlikely this draft has more than one or two truly good QBs. I'll tell you what the fans are going to do. They will blame the Krafts. They'll find some angle that allows them to blame the Krafts. It's the trendy thing to do. My fearless forecast: At least four of the top 6 QBs in this class will be starters when the 2025 season begins; 3 will be top 10 in the NFL when the 2026 season begins. Fearless indeed! Who knows. It's been 41 years since the 1983 QB draft. You would think it would repeat itself eventually. I hope so. Not just for the Pats, but for the NFL.
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Post by tswfan on Apr 25, 2024 17:40:42 GMT -5
The Patriots get to choose from the 3rd best QB or the best player at every other position. Too bad they really need a QB. that is the reason they are picking third
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 25, 2024 17:44:28 GMT -5
IDK what will make me happy. I just know I would be upset if they end up not picking any of the top 6 QBs. They are definitely picking one of the top six quarterbacks, and we won’t know if that ends up being good decision for a couple of years. We will get glimpses at spring training and over the course of next year, but you’re really don’t know if you have the guy until he’s been in the league for a few years. The Redskins Thought they had their guy with RG3 The Colts think they have their guy, but I need to see another full year of him before I agree or disagree with that. When RG3 scrambled, it was to gain yards towards first down; did not scramble to extend the pass play and make the SS-like pass-on-the-run
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