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Post by philskiw on Apr 27, 2024 18:04:07 GMT -5
Steve Smith loves Baker and has plenty of real football stuff to say about him, but you got stuff to say about his size and speed, hmmmm I wonder which person I am gonna trust to be positive and excited for Baker on this team. Specially since he and Polk can now grow and develop with Maye. You’re the grouchy negative dude on this board whose only happy moment was watching Zappe suck just a little less than Mac. I resent this. I thought I was the grouchy negative dude. In the end, if these guys are good then it’s a fine draft. Personally, I don’t value receivers like everyone else seems to. Unless it’s Randy Moss 2.0, I’m just not that interested. I do value big, long tackles who can move and I would have drafted two of those guys, moving up if necessary to get them. They drafted two nothing special guards. One of whom played right tackle in college and somehow they’re projecting him to be a LT. I can tell you right now in the name of all that’s holy and Marshall Newhouse, it’s not going to work. He’s a freaking guard. Period. We got guards coming out of our ears. I am a size queen, I want to punish people. I’d almost rather cause pain than win. Almost. Give me big, bad m’fers. The more the merrier. If I had Vita Vea I’d draft T’Vondre Sweat anyway. Just for fun. Build the trenches first, receivers are icing on the cake. The cake is a bunch of fat guys. As it should be. this.
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 27, 2024 18:15:51 GMT -5
Like the Bell pick to finish off the draft. I think they can use him as a FB as well as a TE and in the 7th round is a value pick.
Overall, they improved the team. The QB was essential, I hope one of the WRs will shine (don't expect both to) but in the end I don't think they move the needle much from what is there already, not impressed with the OL picks and I think except for hoping for better health they haven't improved the talent there. And I don't think they improved the defense with either the FAs to date or the draft of a late round CB who I don't see getting on the field except for ST if he even makes the roster.
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Post by philskiw on Apr 27, 2024 18:18:37 GMT -5
Klem probably glad he bailed as OL coach with these jags
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Post by zenape on Apr 27, 2024 18:19:40 GMT -5
Steve Smith loves Baker and has plenty of real football stuff to say about him, but you got stuff to say about his size and speed, hmmmm I wonder which person I am gonna trust to be positive and excited for Baker on this team. Specially since he and Polk can now grow and develop with Maye. You’re the grouchy negative dude on this board whose only happy moment was watching Zappe suck just a little less than Mac. I resent this. I thought I was the grouchy negative dude. In the end, if these guys are good then it’s a fine draft. Personally, I don’t value receivers like everyone else seems to. Unless it’s Randy Moss 2.0, I’m just not that interested. I do value big, long tackles who can move and I would have drafted two of those guys, moving up if necessary to get them. They drafted two nothing special guards. One of whom played right tackle in college and somehow they’re projecting him to be a LT. I can tell you right now in the name of all that’s holy and Marshall Newhouse, it’s not going to work. He’s a freaking guard. Period. We got guards coming out of our ears. I am a size queen, I want to punish people. I’d almost rather cause pain than win. Almost. Give me big, bad m’fers. The more the merrier. If I had Vita Vea I’d draft T’Vondre Sweat anyway. Just for fun. Build the trenches first, receivers are icing on the cake. The cake is a bunch of fat guys. As it should be. I don't know if you've stepped back and taken a look at the entire Patriots OL roster, but it's an animal farm right now. I have serious serious doubts that 5 starters aren't going to emerge from this group and give you exactly what you're looking for. Michael Jordan Atonio Mafi Layden Robinson Sidy Sow Cole Strange Nick Leverett Jake Andrews David Andrews Mike Onwenu Andrew Stueber Cadean Wallace Conor McDermott Calvin Anderson Chukwuma Okorafor Tyrone Wheatley Caedan Wallace Layden Robinson There's some absolute studs in that group. I'm very interested to see how a starting line shakes out of that group. Training camp is going to be very fun to watch.
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Post by fisher on Apr 27, 2024 18:23:01 GMT -5
Overall, the draft of these players has significantly improved the team..it may take time but withOTa’s mini camp, mandatory camp, and games, the final 53 will upgrade most positions from last year ..and when the new face of the franchise is ready, coaching and new players at tye very least Will be fun to watch.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 27, 2024 18:36:52 GMT -5
I resent this. I thought I was the grouchy negative dude. In the end, if these guys are good then it’s a fine draft. Personally, I don’t value receivers like everyone else seems to. Unless it’s Randy Moss 2.0, I’m just not that interested. I do value big, long tackles who can move and I would have drafted two of those guys, moving up if necessary to get them. They drafted two nothing special guards. One of whom played right tackle in college and somehow they’re projecting him to be a LT. I can tell you right now in the name of all that’s holy and Marshall Newhouse, it’s not going to work. He’s a freaking guard. Period. We got guards coming out of our ears. I am a size queen, I want to punish people. I’d almost rather cause pain than win. Almost. Give me big, bad m’fers. The more the merrier. If I had Vita Vea I’d draft T’Vondre Sweat anyway. Just for fun. Build the trenches first, receivers are icing on the cake. The cake is a bunch of fat guys. As it should be. I don't know if you've stepped back and taken a look at the entire Patriots OL roster, but it's an animal farm right now. I have serious serious doubts that 5 starters aren't going to emerge from this group and give you exactly what you're looking for. Michael Jordan Atonio Mafi Layden Robinson Sidy Sow Cole Strange Nick Leverett Jake Andrews David Andrews Mike Onwenu Andrew Stueber Cadean Wallace Conor McDermott Calvin Anderson Chukwuma Okorafor Tyrone Wheatley Caedan Wallace Layden Robinson There's some absolute studs in that group. I'm very interested to see how a starting line shakes out of that group. Training camp is going to be very fun to watch. Lots of names…some decent players, too. Not a single bona fide NFL left tackle. Anderson the closest, glad he’s over the flesh eating disease he came down with but he’s a journeyman. Everyone else is a projection or a “just no” at LT. Wheatley? He’s probably the backup. Okorafor is a fraud. That’s the depth chart at LT. Pretty bad. Please don’t say Steuber…
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Post by jri37 on Apr 27, 2024 18:40:38 GMT -5
I don't know if you've stepped back and taken a look at the entire Patriots OL roster, but it's an animal farm right now. I have serious serious doubts that 5 starters aren't going to emerge from this group and give you exactly what you're looking for. Michael Jordan Atonio Mafi Layden Robinson Sidy Sow Cole Strange Nick Leverett Jake Andrews David Andrews Mike Onwenu Andrew Stueber Cadean Wallace Conor McDermott Calvin Anderson Chukwuma Okorafor Tyrone Wheatley Caedan Wallace Layden Robinson There's some absolute studs in that group. I'm very interested to see how a starting line shakes out of that group. Training camp is going to be very fun to watch. Lots of names…some decent players, too. Not a single bona fide NFL left tackle. Anderson the closest, glad he’s over the flesh eating disease he came down with but he’s a journeyman. Everyone else is a projection or a “just no” at LT. Wheatley? He’s probably the backup. Okorafor is a fraud. That’s the depth chart at LT. Pretty bad. Please don’t say Steuber… You beat me to it. LT is a disaster.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 27, 2024 18:47:08 GMT -5
Next years draft will be much more balanced I think.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 27, 2024 18:54:48 GMT -5
Lots of names…some decent players, too. Not a single bona fide NFL left tackle. Anderson the closest, glad he’s over the flesh eating disease he came down with but he’s a journeyman. Everyone else is a projection or a “just no” at LT. Wheatley? He’s probably the backup. Okorafor is a fraud. That’s the depth chart at LT. Pretty bad. Please don’t say Steuber… You beat me to it. LT is a disaster. LT is the second most important position in the game and they seem not to give AF. If you want to boil it down, that’s my problem with this draft. I actually find it almost insane. They just drafted the great white hope at quarterback and his most important protector is not even a thought.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 27, 2024 20:26:03 GMT -5
Like the Bell pick to finish off the draft. I think they can use him as a FB as well as a TE and in the 7th round is a value pick. Overall, they improved the team. The QB was essential, I hope one of the WRs will shine (don't expect both to) but in the end I don't think they move the needle much from what is there already, not impressed with the OL picks and I think except for hoping for better health they haven't improved the talent there. And I don't think they improved the defense with either the FAs to date or the draft of a late round CB who I don't see getting on the field except for ST if he even makes the roster. Are we supposed to feel good about that? Was there any team that did not with their draft? The goal is to be better than the other teams. At least get out of the bottom of the division. Did the Pats improve more than the other teams? That's the question that people should be asking. Did they?
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 27, 2024 20:33:16 GMT -5
Another question we should be asking: Even if we're okay with the Pats not getting out of the bottom of the division this year, was there any player they drafted (other than Maye) that you view as being foundational? It felt to me more like the kind of draft you would do if you had a full team with barely a hole to fill - drafting backups to add depth
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 27, 2024 20:54:06 GMT -5
You beat me to it. LT is a disaster. LT is the second most important position in the game and they seem not to give AF. If you want to boil it down, that’s my problem with this draft. I actually find it almost insane. They just drafted the great white hope at quarterback and his most important protector is not even a thought. A preliminary list for you. Am still holding out hope that we won't be needing to look at it again. Will Campbell, LSU Kelvin Banks, TX Wyatt Milum, WV Drew Shelton, PSU None as long as Paul or Fisher.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 27, 2024 21:16:16 GMT -5
Another question we should be asking: Even if we're okay with the Pats not getting out of the bottom of the division this year, was there any player they drafted (other than Maye) that you view as being foundational? It felt to me more like the kind of draft you would do if you had a full team with barely a hole to fill - drafting backups to add depth This draft has told me that the staff doesn’t think much about their WRs. How many did we take? I think that whole group is ripe to be reborn. This is a 2-3 year project. Phase 1 complete we got our QB hopefully. Phase 2 we get the LT and a bonafide #1 wr, we get Barmore help.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 27, 2024 21:17:58 GMT -5
Another question we should be asking: Even if we're okay with the Pats not getting out of the bottom of the division this year, was there any player they drafted (other than Maye) that you view as being foundational? It felt to me more like the kind of draft you would do if you had a full team with barely a hole to fill - drafting backups to add depth We got a starting QB and a bunch of WRs that fall someplace between 2-6. Not impressed with any of the OL drafted
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Post by freediro on Apr 27, 2024 21:19:04 GMT -5
Another question we should be asking: Even if we're okay with the Pats not getting out of the bottom of the division this year, was there any player they drafted (other than Maye) that you view as being foundational? It felt to me more like the kind of draft you would do if you had a full team with barely a hole to fill - drafting backups to add depth yeah, Polk and Baker. These guys are gonna be with Maye all camp and preseason working on chemistry and timing. These 3 guys have to be “the offense” in the next 3 years, obviously I’d be happy with more shots at WR in the following years drafts.
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Post by freediro on Apr 27, 2024 21:20:03 GMT -5
Another question we should be asking: Even if we're okay with the Pats not getting out of the bottom of the division this year, was there any player they drafted (other than Maye) that you view as being foundational? It felt to me more like the kind of draft you would do if you had a full team with barely a hole to fill - drafting backups to add depth This draft has told me that the staff doesn’t think much about their WRs. How many did we take? I think that whole group is ripe to be reborn. This is a 2-3 year project. Phase 1 complete we got our QB hopefully. Phase 2 we get the LT and a bonafide #1 wr, we get Barmore help. This draft says, if you’re on offense as a skill position players besides ‘Mondre…get the hell out of the way, the new regime is here and things are changing.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 27, 2024 21:58:05 GMT -5
Steve Smith loves Baker and has plenty of real football stuff to say about him, but you got stuff to say about his size and speed, hmmmm I wonder which person I am gonna trust to be positive and excited for Baker on this team. Specially since he and Polk can now grow and develop with Maye. You’re the grouchy negative dude on this board whose only happy moment was watching Zappe suck just a little less than Mac. I resent this. I thought I was the grouchy negative dude. In the end, if these guys are good then it’s a fine draft. Personally, I don’t value receivers like everyone else seems to. Unless it’s Randy Moss 2.0, I’m just not that interested. I do value big, long tackles who can move and I would have drafted two of those guys, moving up if necessary to get them. They drafted two nothing special guards. One of whom played right tackle in college and somehow they’re projecting him to be a LT. I can tell you right now in the name of all that’s holy and Marshall Newhouse, it’s not going to work. He’s a freaking guard. Period. We got guards coming out of our ears. I am a size queen, I want to punish people. I’d almost rather cause pain than win. Almost. Give me big, bad m’fers. The more the merrier. If I had Vita Vea I’d draft T’Vondre Sweat anyway. Just for fun. Build the trenches first, receivers are icing on the cake. The cake is a bunch of fat guys. As it should be. Oh yeah! Heck, I find the OG they picked to be on the smallish side. I want my OGs to be at least 320 lbs. He must be really good at executing pulls. We'll see.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 27, 2024 22:24:01 GMT -5
Great pick. Actually think he's better than Polk. Polk had a comp of Davante Adams... picked by Packers.... Eliot Wolfe was a part of that.
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 27, 2024 22:35:37 GMT -5
You beat me to it. LT is a disaster. LT is the second most important position in the game and they seem not to give AF. If you want to boil it down, that’s my problem with this draft. I actually find it almost insane. They just drafted the great white hope at quarterback and his most important protector is not even a thought. LT's and QBs don't grow on trees. Unfortunately the last guy fkd up the offense so bad, we needed all the important pieces.
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 27, 2024 23:42:33 GMT -5
Like the Bell pick to finish off the draft. I think they can use him as a FB as well as a TE and in the 7th round is a value pick. Overall, they improved the team. The QB was essential, I hope one of the WRs will shine (don't expect both to) but in the end I don't think they move the needle much from what is there already, not impressed with the OL picks and I think except for hoping for better health they haven't improved the talent there. And I don't think they improved the defense with either the FAs to date or the draft of a late round CB who I don't see getting on the field except for ST if he even makes the roster. Are we supposed to feel good about that? Was there any team that did not with their draft? The goal is to be better than the other teams. At least get out of the bottom of the division. Did the Pats improve more than the other teams? That's the question that people should be asking. Did they? No, but that was as positive as I could be. I think both in free agency and the draft, we basically shifted chairs. Brissett is a plus, but the OL is no better than last year, the receivers are different players same song, same with TE and they did bupkis on the defense. Gibson is younger than Zeke, but will he any better? They got a new first round QB, but they picked the one that would be best to sit the longest as they correct and teach him. And then they bought a lottery ticket QB in the sixth for some inane reason because he has a bionic arm that unfortunately has screwed up controls which make it as likely he takes out a window in the lighthouse as hits his receiver in stride.
And while this team wasn't going to be SB bound this year whatever they did, I feel they did the bare minimum so far in the off season. They had a war chest, and didn't spend it except on a couple of their FAs, otherwise they signed retreads that I doubt anyone was seriously bidding against them for. They doubled down on the WR position by drafting clones of what they already had and had also sign as a FA, and the OL draft and FAs were clones of what they got last year. The CB they chose looks like a good ST player maybe and the TE in the 7th was the most exciting choice they made in my mind because he has a different skill set to the current TEs.
I was surprised that of the 6 QBs taken in the first, there was only one team that traded up to draft one (MN moved from 11 to 10 at little expense.) No idea how the telephone calls went, but I suspect that means no one was going to pay extra to get 'their guy.' 'You want three first for #3, well, good luck finding someone, were good with whichever one of these guys falls into our lap.' Sort of like how Mac ended up in NE. The only wackadoodle QB move was Atlanta, and that only had an effect on LVR who ended up losing out on a QB in the first.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 28, 2024 2:16:58 GMT -5
Are we supposed to feel good about that? Was there any team that did not with their draft? The goal is to be better than the other teams. At least get out of the bottom of the division. Did the Pats improve more than the other teams? That's the question that people should be asking. Did they? No, but that was as positive as I could be. I think both in free agency and the draft, we basically shifted chairs. Brissett is a plus, but the OL is no better than last year, the receivers are different players same song, same with TE and they did bupkis on the defense. Gibson is younger than Zeke, but will he any better? They got a new first round QB, but they picked the one that would be best to sit the longest as they correct and teach him. And then they bought a lottery ticket QB in the sixth for some inane reason because he has a bionic arm that unfortunately has screwed up controls which make it as likely he takes out a window in the lighthouse as hits his receiver in stride.
And while this team wasn't going to be SB bound this year whatever they did, I feel they did the bare minimum so far in the off season. They had a war chest, and didn't spend it except on a couple of their FAs, otherwise they signed retreads that I doubt anyone was seriously bidding against them for. They doubled down on the WR position by drafting clones of what they already had and had also sign as a FA, and the OL draft and FAs were clones of what they got last year. The CB they chose looks like a good ST player maybe and the TE in the 7th was the most exciting choice they made in my mind because he has a different skill set to the current TEs.
I was surprised that of the 6 QBs taken in the first, there was only one team that traded up to draft one (MN moved from 11 to 10 at little expense.) No idea how the telephone calls went, but I suspect that means no one was going to pay extra to get 'their guy.' 'You want three first for #3, well, good luck finding someone, were good with whichever one of these guys falls into our lap.' Sort of like how Mac ended up in NE. The only wackadoodle QB move was Atlanta, and that only had an effect on LVR who ended up losing out on a QB in the first.
Chatter was that SEA, LVR and LOS were trying to move up to get Penix. Nobody wanted to give up their spot. MIN did not make any attempts to move up for JJM until after CHI picked Odunze at P9.
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Post by ATJ on Apr 28, 2024 4:13:56 GMT -5
I'll wait and see.
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Post by backto1992 on Apr 28, 2024 4:30:04 GMT -5
I know draft grades don’t mean Jack sh*t, but PFF rates the Patriots draft a B+, and Chris Trapasso on CBS rates it an A. Doesn’t mean any of the players are worth a damn.
But, to paraphrase a line in a Harry Potter book, did anyone know when they used the 199th pick in the 2000 to pick Tom Brady, that the Patriots had just altered the course of NFL history by picking the greatest WINNER of all time?
No
Everyone thought they had drafted a non athlete stork, who ran the 40 in 5.17, and they already had Drew Bledsoe.
There is no way to know today if this draft was any good, we will have to wait in see……
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Post by thehub on Apr 28, 2024 5:13:57 GMT -5
I know draft grades don’t mean Jack sh*t, but PFF rates the Patriots draft a B+, and Chris Trapasso on CBS rates it an A. Doesn’t mean any of the players are worth a damn. But, to paraphrase a line in a Harry Potter book, did anyone know when they used the 199th pick in the 2000 to pick Tom Brady, that the Patriots had just altered the course of NFL history by picking the greatest WINNER of all time? No Everyone thought they had drafted a non athlete stork, who ran the 40 in 5.17, and they already had Drew Bledsoe. There is no way to know today if this draft was any good, we will have to wait in see…… Nailed it
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