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Post by salcon on Apr 27, 2024 10:27:27 GMT -5
I like Polk better for what the team needs right now and I think people are way way way too low on Wallace Actually his name stood out on most draft boards as one of the better second tier tackles in the draft. The only real issue I have is that they will be asking him to swap sides, and that doesn't always go well. For instance, Onwenu is a pro bowl level guard, and a rock solid RT, but what would happen if he swapped over to the left side? My guess is that we would then have a mediocre LT. I could be wrong, it could be that he would be just as good there than as he is at RT, but that's doubtful considering how the left side is a more demanding position as that's far more often the blindside, and usually where the better pass rushers tend to line up because putting them in stealth mode can be particularly dangerous. I'd rather we grabbed someone with a proven track record of having played LT before and played at a respectable level that would transfer well to the NFL where the competition ramps up significantly. Seeing as the bottom of the barrel was within site as soon as round 3 came around though, it put the Pats in a situation I'm guessing they were hoping to avoid. It's not like half the teams in the NFL needed an tackle, but sadly the way they flew off the board the first couple rounds, it turns out that's the way it went however. 16 tackles selected in the first 3 rounds? Unheard of. Never happened before. Uncharted territory. So the Pats played the odds, and by appearances considering their need, they lost. They obviously didn't feel the LT position was a high priority in FA or the draft. |
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Post by zenape on Apr 27, 2024 10:35:23 GMT -5
Actually his name stood out on most draft boards as one of the better second tier tackles in the draft. The only real issue I have is that they will be asking him to swap sides, and that doesn't always go well. For instance, Onwenu is a pro bowl level guard, and a rock solid RT, but what would happen if he swapped over to the left side? My guess is that we would then have a mediocre LT. I could be wrong, it could be that he would be just as good there than as he is at RT, but that's doubtful considering how the left side is a more demanding position as that's far more often the blindside, and usually where the better pass rushers tend to line up because putting them in stealth mode can be particularly dangerous. I'd rather we grabbed someone with a proven track record of having played LT before and played at a respectable level that would transfer well to the NFL where the competition ramps up significantly. Seeing as the bottom of the barrel was within site as soon as round 3 came around though, it put the Pats in a situation I'm guessing they were hoping to avoid. It's not like half the teams in the NFL needed an tackle, but sadly the way they flew off the board the first couple rounds, it turns out that's the way it went however. 16 tackles selected in the first 3 rounds? Unheard of. Never happened before. Uncharted territory. So the Pats played the odds, and by appearances considering their need, they lost. They obviously didn't feel the LT position was a high priority in FA or the draft. Well in FA the pickings were slim. As for the draft, my guess is that they didn't think a record amount of tackles would be going in the first couple rounds. I can't completely fault them for that, even knowing it was going to be high with all the 1st round talent in a record crop of tackles, to see them just keep coming off the board that early was unheard of. They played the odds, and it didn't work out the way they had hoped or that most mock draft boards indicated. |
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Post by freediro on Apr 27, 2024 10:44:43 GMT -5
Actually his name stood out on most draft boards as one of the better second tier tackles in the draft. The only real issue I have is that they will be asking him to swap sides, and that doesn't always go well. For instance, Onwenu is a pro bowl level guard, and a rock solid RT, but what would happen if he swapped over to the left side? My guess is that we would then have a mediocre LT. I could be wrong, it could be that he would be just as good there than as he is at RT, but that's doubtful considering how the left side is a more demanding position as that's far more often the blindside, and usually where the better pass rushers tend to line up because putting them in stealth mode can be particularly dangerous. I'd rather we grabbed someone with a proven track record of having played LT before and played at a respectable level that would transfer well to the NFL where the competition ramps up significantly. Seeing as the bottom of the barrel was within site as soon as round 3 came around though, it put the Pats in a situation I'm guessing they were hoping to avoid. It's not like half the teams in the NFL needed an tackle, but sadly the way they flew off the board the first couple rounds, it turns out that's the way it went however. 16 tackles selected in the first 3 rounds? Unheard of. Never happened before. Uncharted territory. So the Pats played the odds, and by appearances considering their need, they lost. They obviously didn't feel the LT position was a high priority in FA or the draft. I think they’re fine with Orokor there this year and fully developing Wallace for that side in year 1. Can still get a LT next year if needed. Sounds like Wolfe and Co think Wallace is fully capable of being a LT though. |
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Post by paulk on Apr 27, 2024 10:59:25 GMT -5
Last year an amazing 11 draft picks made the team or were on IR, and are still on the team. One end-of-sixth-round pick was waivered to the practice squad but then he was pinched away by Indianapolis. Don't sell the Patriots scouting department short.
As often happens, the team has two fourth rounders and no fifth rounders. That's because the Pats were (and are) designed as a good team with an inherently good middle class of players, but then too often fifth rounders are only good enough for the team's practice squad. Fifth rounders that drop get pinched away by bad teams on the rebuild. Also, this year's draft is thin. It's a dice roll, but a high fourth rounder might be someone that you'll keep in September, and that beats a low fifth rounder. If you want to secure a priority free agent project that probably drops to the practice squad and then stays on your practice squad for their rookie year, get a sixth or seventh rounder. Exception: a few players will show a spark and will make the team from the sixth round: Onwenu, Pop Douglas, Boutte, TB12, but it's a dice roll.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 27, 2024 11:04:08 GMT -5
I want another receiver with one of these next two picks.
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Post by freediro on Apr 27, 2024 11:12:14 GMT -5
There goes 2 guys I really liked
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 27, 2024 11:15:59 GMT -5
There goes troy Franklin. Ughhh
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 27, 2024 11:17:14 GMT -5
Another reach by the pats. You could have grabbed this guy in the next roun or two.
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Post by philskiw on Apr 27, 2024 11:20:52 GMT -5
Take DL now. Help Barmore
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 27, 2024 11:21:24 GMT -5
What could go wrong with drafting an undersized (300 lb) guard with average/good athleticism at best who was afraid to bench press?
The stupidity continues...
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Post by muzwell on Apr 27, 2024 11:24:59 GMT -5
I say nothing but guards from here on out. Corner the market, Mortimer.
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Post by pcm4 on Apr 27, 2024 11:26:41 GMT -5
The “BB didn’t listen to the scouts” brigade is in shambles lmao.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 27, 2024 11:32:40 GMT -5
I say nothing but guards from here on out. Corner the market, Mortimer. 1 dollar Randolph. |
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 27, 2024 11:36:12 GMT -5
The “BB didn’t listen to the scouts” brigade is in shambles lmao. +1000 While I will still reserve judgment on all drafted players until I see them play, I've been saying for a while now that with every passing day I believe more and more that BB's issue wasn't that he didn't listen to these guys, but that he did. He surrounded himself with lackluster talent…as well as some people undermining him. That's on him though. He picked these guys. Let's hope the new regime makes us look silly when the games start... |
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Post by thejuice on Apr 27, 2024 11:36:34 GMT -5
hmm... im thinking kicker, punter or another interior ol here lol.
although hoping for te, or wr or cb or dl here.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 27, 2024 12:06:15 GMT -5
Receivers receivers. I felt they need to double dip take two wideouts in this draft. OL, DT, and WR, not necessarily in that order, are what's needed. |
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Post by texaspat on Apr 27, 2024 12:07:55 GMT -5
hmm... im thinking kicker, punter or another interior ol here lol. although hoping for te, or wr or cb or dl here. I think that the Patriots will draft a PK, but in the later rounds. |
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Post by texaspat on Apr 27, 2024 12:10:00 GMT -5
I say nothing but guards from here on out. Corner the market, Mortimer. 1 dollar Randolph. "Whiskey - all you want!!" LOL!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 27, 2024 13:13:20 GMT -5
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Post by philskiw on Apr 27, 2024 15:03:12 GMT -5
Receivers receivers. I felt they need to double dip take two wideouts in this draft. Javon Baker out of UCF! Sure we would have a ton of WRs going into camp but it’s clearly time to roll over that position and get rid of guys, locks are Polk, Bourne, Osborne, Douglas and then Baker if we draft him. This way we can make JuJu and Thornton actually fight for their job. guys pretty confident, says he makes people in wheelchairs stand up. Ohhh mayo is going to speak! |
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 27, 2024 15:04:17 GMT -5
The “BB didn’t listen to the scouts” brigade is in shambles lmao. +1000 While I will still reserve judgment on all drafted players until I see them play, I've been saying for a while now that with every passing day I believe more and more that BB's issue wasn't that he didn't listen to these guys, but that he did. He surrounded himself with lackluster talent…as well as some people undermining him. That's on him though. He picked these guys. Let's hope the new regime makes us look silly when the games start... And what we never remember in this is while we all comment on the movement of coordinators and position coaches every year, and the brain drain from the Pats staff specifically, no one ever really talked about the front office and scouting departures as that happened as well. There was a lot of dispersion of scouting and scouting coordinators over the last 25 years that has hurt - it takes time to train those guys and the replacements were moving up before they were necessarily ready.
BB's coaching tree is pretty mediocre, BB's GM tree is pretty great.
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Post by freediro on Apr 27, 2024 16:26:58 GMT -5
Javon Baker out of UCF! Sure we would have a ton of WRs going into camp but it’s clearly time to roll over that position and get rid of guys, locks are Polk, Bourne, Osborne, Douglas and then Baker if we draft him. This way we can make JuJu and Thornton actually fight for their job. guys pretty confident, says he makes people in wheelchairs stand up. Ohhh mayo is going to speak! haha, that made me truly laugh. I am sure some soft people gonna not like an obvious joke |
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