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Post by APpats21 on May 9, 2016 17:10:09 GMT -5
Jon Bostic was traded to the Lions for an undisclosed draft pick. Solid move
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Post by APpats21 on May 9, 2016 17:12:35 GMT -5
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/09/lions-acquire-jon-bostic-in-trade-with-patriots/Lions acquire Jon Bostic in trade with Patriots Posted by Josh Alper on May 9, 2016, 6:07 PM EDT CHICAGO, IL - NOVEMBER 16: Jon Bostic #57 of the Chicago Bears during the first half of a game against the Minnesota Vikings at Soldier Field on November 16, 2014 in Chicago, Illinois. The Bears defeated the Vikings 21-13. (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images) Getty Images Linebacker Jon Bostic is headed back to the NFC North. The Patriots have traded Bostic to the Lions in exchange for an undisclosed conditional draft pick. Field Yates of ESPN.com reports that it is a 2017 seventh-round pick, although there’s no word on the conditions that would convey that pick to New England. Bostic started his career as a 2013 second-round pick of the Bears and was traded to the Patriots last September and had two tackles in 11 regular season appearances. He played 29 games and made 17 starts for the Bears in his first two seasons. The Lions currently have DeAndre Levy, Tahir Whitehead, Josh Bynes, Kyle Van Noy, Brandon Copeland 2016 fifth-rounder Antwione Williams and Stephen Tulloch at linebacker, although it’s been expected for some time that they will be parting ways with Tulloch.
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Post by salcon on May 9, 2016 17:16:12 GMT -5
They look a little congested in the linebacker position so someone had to go. For sure he won't be the last either. Just hope they figure out a way to keep both Hightower and Collins.
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Post by philskiw on May 9, 2016 17:17:42 GMT -5
I wonder who we want to sign.
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Post by APpats21 on May 9, 2016 17:31:49 GMT -5
I wonder who we want to sign. Bet they bring Iosefa back soon. Whether it's with this move or another. |
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Post by philskiw on May 9, 2016 17:34:23 GMT -5
Could be. I want a tee shirt of your avatar
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Post by APpats21 on May 9, 2016 17:41:11 GMT -5
www.patriots.com/news/2016/05/09/patriots-trade-lb-jonathan-bostic-detroit-sign-dl-anthony-johnsonPatriots trade LB Jonathan Bostic to Detroit; Sign DL Anthony Johnson Monday, May 09, 2016 6:02 PM EDT By New England Patriots @patriots LIVE NOW REPLAYPATRIOTS REPLAY Mon., May. 09, 2016 12:00 AM To 11:59 PM EDT Listen to a replay of the "Best Of" Patriots.com Radio. FOXBOROUGH, Mass. - The New England Patriots announced today that they have signed DL Anthony Johnson. Terms of the contract were not announced. Read In addition, the Patriots traded LB Jonathan Bostic to the Detroit Lions for an undisclosed draft pick. Read Johnson, 22, originally entered the NFL as a rookie free agent with the Miami Dolphins on May 12, 2014. The 6-foot-2, 317-pounder, made the Miami 53-man roster as a rookie and played in seven games, recording two tackles and recovering one fumble. He was released by Miami at the end of training camp in 2015 and was signed by the Washington Redskins’ practice squad in November. Johnson was released by Washington on May 2, 2016. Read Bostic, 25, was acquired by the Patriots in a trade with the Chicago Bears for a 2016 sixth-round draft selection on Sept. 29, 2015. The 6-foot-1, 245-pounder, was originally drafted by Chicago in the second round (50th overall) of the 2013 NFL Draft out of Florida. He has played in 40 career games with 18 starts over his three NFL seasons and accrued 140 tackles, two sacks, one interception, four passes defensed and one fumble recovery. Last year, Bostic played 11 games with one start for the Patriots, finishing with one tackle on defense and two special teams tackles. Anyone got any insight on this new guy?
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Post by APpats21 on May 9, 2016 17:42:03 GMT -5
Could be. I want a tee shirt of your avatar Lol same. If i ever find someone who makes them i'll let you know haha |
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Post by jedediah10 on May 9, 2016 18:32:05 GMT -5
Sounds like a 7th rounder and likely contingent on him making the team. Good move as it gives them a 7th next which I don't think they had.
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Post by mthurl on May 9, 2016 18:43:33 GMT -5
What did we give up for Bostic? Wasn't it a fifth?
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Post by APpats21 on May 9, 2016 18:57:49 GMT -5
What did we give up for Bostic? Wasn't it a fifth? 6th which we got back in the Bennett deal |
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Post by thejuice on May 9, 2016 19:03:16 GMT -5
What did we give up for Bostic? Wasn't it a fifth? It was a sixth this past draft. Which we actually got back in the Bennett trade |
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Post by lowfbiq on May 9, 2016 20:42:30 GMT -5
They get a conditional 7th for a guy who gave them depth last season but may have not even been expected to make the roster this year. As stated above they would have a full draft with a pick in every round if they did indeed get the 7th and also kept all their picks in each of the 7 rounds.
With the open roster spot the Pats signed Anthony Johnson, another beefy DL.
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Post by tcal2 on May 9, 2016 20:55:38 GMT -5
Why would we need another 7th round pick. Don't we usually pick our 7th round talent in the first 2 rounds?
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Post by kjfitone on May 9, 2016 21:04:07 GMT -5
I like the moves Belichick has made this off season. From the surface it looks as though he's strengthened the team from where they were at the beginning of last season and they were pretty good then.
I wasn't thrilled with the draft but a lot of that was due to the 1st round pick being taken.
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Post by fanonymous on May 9, 2016 21:23:16 GMT -5
Bostic and Watson got their chances last season and really didn't do much ... perhaps Humber or Steward will bring something more - gotta believe they think McClellin can carve out a legit role and maybe Freeny takes a step up
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Post by belestrator on May 10, 2016 4:19:44 GMT -5
Wish they traded Freeney instead of Bostic. I think Bostic may have some upside.
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Post by sml1210 on May 10, 2016 5:10:12 GMT -5
Wish they traded Freeney instead of Bostic. I think Bostic may have some upside. Bostic doesn't play special teams. Freeney does, which is a huge advantage for end of the roster players like they both are. |
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Post by rkarp on May 10, 2016 5:31:12 GMT -5
curious as to why the trade now? why not see what Bostic shows in camp? I am not a Freeney fan, and McClellin has never played a down here.
the return was a conditional 7th rounder. seems that type of return would be available at any time.
perhaps this is good news in that the Pats are pretty confident a deal is done with Hightower and Collins?
Pats gave a 6th for Bostic and in less than a year, gave up on im for a conditional 7th. BB trades usually dont end up with less value
LB position still feels light to me. Hightower, Collins and McClellin (unknown) are locks. Freeney appears safe, but imo was unimpressive last season. Humber is ST exclusively. then a bunch of lower level draft choices that seem like very long shots. Hightower has been nicked up often. Seems like Freeney is the depth again.
Hearing Rufus Johnson in that hybrid OLB/Rush end spot where he will play standing up and only rush the passer in passing downs.
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Post by patslifer on May 10, 2016 6:22:55 GMT -5
curious as to why the trade now? why not see what Bostic shows in camp? I am not a Freeney fan, and McClellin has never played a down here. the return was a conditional 7th rounder. seems that type of return would be available at any time. perhaps this is good news in that the Pats are pretty confident a deal is done with Hightower and Collins? Pats gave a 6th for Bostic and in less than a year, gave up on im for a conditional 7th. BB trades usually dont end up with less value LB position still feels light to me. Hightower, Collins and McClellin (unknown) are locks. Freeney appears safe, but imo was unimpressive last season. Humber is ST exclusively. then a bunch of lower level draft choices that seem like very long shots. Hightower has been nicked up often. Seems like Freeney is the depth again. Hearing Rufus Johnson in that hybrid OLB/Rush end spot where he will play standing up and only rush the passer in passing downs. With the pats playing with more DBS, they only use 1-2 lbs typically on a large percentage of their plays. They only need to carry 4-5. the safeties act as the 3rd lbs on many plays, so we don't need as many pure lbs as we would need if we ran a true 3-4 or 4-3. I think 1-2 of the lb draft choices make the roster and wouldn't be surprised to see kamu greiger-hill as one of them given his speed, st play. He's basically another one of those s/lb hybrid types. McClellin and Hightower are the bulk, collins and hill the speed, then you have freeny as that #5 depth player. |
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Post by belestrator on May 10, 2016 7:15:27 GMT -5
I am still not comfortable with Freeney as a primary reserve. He is often out of position, gets beat in coverage and misses tackles. Hopefully someone else beats him out in TC.
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Post by rkarp on May 10, 2016 7:46:38 GMT -5
curious as to why the trade now? why not see what Bostic shows in camp? I am not a Freeney fan, and McClellin has never played a down here. the return was a conditional 7th rounder. seems that type of return would be available at any time. perhaps this is good news in that the Pats are pretty confident a deal is done with Hightower and Collins? Pats gave a 6th for Bostic and in less than a year, gave up on im for a conditional 7th. BB trades usually dont end up with less value LB position still feels light to me. Hightower, Collins and McClellin (unknown) are locks. Freeney appears safe, but imo was unimpressive last season. Humber is ST exclusively. then a bunch of lower level draft choices that seem like very long shots. Hightower has been nicked up often. Seems like Freeney is the depth again. Hearing Rufus Johnson in that hybrid OLB/Rush end spot where he will play standing up and only rush the passer in passing downs. With the pats playing with more DBS, they only use 1-2 lbs typically on a large percentage of their plays. They only need to carry 4-5. the safeties act as the 3rd lbs on many plays, so we don't need as many pure lbs as we would need if we ran a true 3-4 or 4-3. I think 1-2 of the lb draft choices make the roster and wouldn't be surprised to see kamu greiger-hill as one of them given his speed, st play. He's basically another one of those s/lb hybrid types. McClellin and Hightower are the bulk, collins and hill the speed, then you have freeny as that #5 depth player. fair enough. but Collins and Hightower both were injured last year and missed time, and the LB drop off was severe (mostly Freeney) we do not yet know if McClellin can pick up this defense. we do not even know if LB is his best position. the Bears thought other wise. can Hill make the team? this is not a comment that Bostic is or could be better than the LB's still on the team. but for a conditional 7th, why not find out in training camp? seems that conditional 7th is most likely available for a 2nd round choice like Bostic for quite some time. |
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Post by patslifer on May 10, 2016 8:06:07 GMT -5
With the pats playing with more DBS, they only use 1-2 lbs typically on a large percentage of their plays. They only need to carry 4-5. the safeties act as the 3rd lbs on many plays, so we don't need as many pure lbs as we would need if we ran a true 3-4 or 4-3. I think 1-2 of the lb draft choices make the roster and wouldn't be surprised to see kamu greiger-hill as one of them given his speed, st play. He's basically another one of those s/lb hybrid types. McClellin and Hightower are the bulk, collins and hill the speed, then you have freeny as that #5 depth player. fair enough. but Collins and Hightower both were injured last year and missed time, and the LB drop off was severe (mostly Freeney) we do not yet know if McClellin can pick up this defense. we do not even know if LB is his best position. the Bears thought other wise. can Hill make the team? this is not a comment that Bostic is or could be better than the LB's still on the team. but for a conditional 7th, why not find out in training camp? seems that conditional 7th is most likely available for a 2nd round choice like Bostic for quite some time. That's the line you have to walk I think...."How much quality depth can you/should you build into different positions?". It's a cap and headcount issue as well but your point is well taken on the injuries to both Hightower and Collins. I think McClellin's "natural" position is at ILB. He played that and DE/OLB in Chicago and from what I read (could be wrong), he performed well at ILB. Maybe he is the longer term replacment for Nink as some believe, or maybe he will place inside? who knows at this point. I think BB got enough of a look at Bostic last year to know one way or the other on him. This is precisely why he brought him in when he did. So, he would have enough time to gauge what he could bring to the team if anything then plan accordingly. Obviously BB didn't think Bostic was the answer for building depth. Given (assuming health) how infrequently the 4th & 5th LBs see the field, mostly operating in a ST capacity, I think BB thought he would have more value either carrying another safety, and/or, seeing how Hill pans out for that last spot. I think Hill can make the club on the active roster. I think the same for LeBlanc as well. Honestly, I think the later round and UDFA picks this year are some of the best I have seen us pick up in recent years. I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 late round/UDFA types make the club this year. |
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Post by muzwell on May 10, 2016 8:30:34 GMT -5
BB continues the purge of ex-Gators...they can't make it in Foxboro.
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Post by rkarp on May 10, 2016 9:03:25 GMT -5
fair enough. but Collins and Hightower both were injured last year and missed time, and the LB drop off was severe (mostly Freeney) we do not yet know if McClellin can pick up this defense. we do not even know if LB is his best position. the Bears thought other wise. can Hill make the team? this is not a comment that Bostic is or could be better than the LB's still on the team. but for a conditional 7th, why not find out in training camp? seems that conditional 7th is most likely available for a 2nd round choice like Bostic for quite some time. That's the line you have to walk I think...."How much quality depth can you/should you build into different positions?". It's a cap and headcount issue as well but your point is well taken on the injuries to both Hightower and Collins. I think McClellin's "natural" position is at ILB. He played that and DE/OLB in Chicago and from what I read (could be wrong), he performed well at ILB. Maybe he is the longer term replacment for Nink as some believe, or maybe he will place inside? who knows at this point. I think BB got enough of a look at Bostic last year to know one way or the other on him. This is precisely why he brought him in when he did. So, he would have enough time to gauge what he could bring to the team if anything then plan accordingly. Obviously BB didn't think Bostic was the answer for building depth. Given (assuming health) how infrequently the 4th & 5th LBs see the field, mostly operating in a ST capacity, I think BB thought he would have more value either carrying another safety, and/or, seeing how Hill pans out for that last spot. I think Hill can make the club on the active roster. I think the same for LeBlanc as well. Honestly, I think the later round and UDFA picks this year are some of the best I have seen us pick up in recent years. I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 late round/UDFA types make the club this year. Lifer, point being we dont know what McClellin is or will be. But he washed out in Chi. We also don't know what the end result is with Hightower or Collins What we do know, is that at least one team had a 2nd round grade on Bostic, and he never had the chance to go thru a training camp with this coaching staff. We really have no idea what we had, or what he may or may not be. If the return from Detroit was a higher draft choice, then so be it, but for a conditional 7th? |
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