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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 23, 2022 15:20:36 GMT -5
Morning, boys! Who's everyone liking in Rd 1... on both sides of the ball? Your proverbial "binkies"? Who's your smaller name/sleeper? I honestly haven't watched a ton of CFB this year, as other interests have taken preference, so my list remains small. Rd 1. Chris Olave WR Ohio State Rd 2. Chad Muma LB Wyoming I think we need to know what is more important to MB other than college football, the draft and keeping us entertained??!?!?!? So selfish..  I say that deserves a separate thread by itself |
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Post by whiskeysour on Jan 24, 2022 0:29:46 GMT -5
Morning, boys! Who's everyone liking in Rd 1... on both sides of the ball? Your proverbial "binkies"? Who's your smaller name/sleeper? I honestly haven't watched a ton of CFB this year, as other interests have taken preference, so my list remains small. Rd 1. Chris Olave WR Ohio State Rd 2. Chad Muma LB Wyoming I think we need to know what is more important to MB other than college football, the draft and keeping us entertained??!?!?!? So selfish..  TnA? |
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 24, 2022 2:30:37 GMT -5
Three WRs that I don't see get mentioned a lot, but I like (therefore I am probably rating higher than most people): David Bell, Purdue Khalil Shakir, Boise St Alec Pierce, Cincinnati I am assuming that after the Harry debacle, BB will not want a WR in R1. So I am looking at kids who might be decent pick ups in R2 or later. I am finding it tought. I have not found any Kupp-like, Renfrow-like players. And I said it earlier on the thread. I am not as excited on this class as past ones. IMO, except for a few, a lot of the kids who will go in the first three rounds this year would not have cracked the first two rounds two years ago. I don't think it is a deep class, except maybe CB. But even the CBs, I believe that many are one year of experience short compared to people who came out two or three years ago. Then on D, they look small to me. IDK if they're fast. I think BB personally has trouble assessing college WRs. It is hard to separate football IQ from athleticism in most college WRs. They tend to rely on athleticism and most colleges just don't require deep IQ development. It is easier to evaluate LBs, Ss and O linemen - IMO. But I think if BB is a bit introspective he can look for route running skills and in game glimpses of how a WR adjusts. There is also simply the quick feet and impact in the first 2 seconds of a play he can focus on. If you are wanting your QB to be able to get TB type release times then the first 1.75 to 2 seconds are key to evaluate.So if BB is introspective he could get better at 1st WRs. Why is NE so dependent on having the QB release the pass in 2 seconds, while the four teams remaining can be successful without being necessarily so? I am not saying they should completely do away with it... but jeez... if the OL can't hold off the pass rush on most of their pass plays, maybe they should change the OL or the schemes. Anyhow, the three I mentioned all have shown ability to gain a lot of extra yards after the catch using their quick feet/shiftiness. I don't expect them to be as excellent on the 2 sec route like JE and WW were, but I have not doubt they can be proficient. They also have the speed to burn DBs for the homerun. |
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Post by portfolio1 on Jan 24, 2022 9:21:42 GMT -5
I think BB personally has trouble assessing college WRs. It is hard to separate football IQ from athleticism in most college WRs. They tend to rely on athleticism and most colleges just don't require deep IQ development. It is easier to evaluate LBs, Ss and O linemen - IMO. But I think if BB is a bit introspective he can look for route running skills and in game glimpses of how a WR adjusts. There is also simply the quick feet and impact in the first 2 seconds of a play he can focus on. If you are wanting your QB to be able to get TB type release times then the first 1.75 to 2 seconds are key to evaluate.So if BB is introspective he could get better at 1st WRs. Why is NE so dependent on having the QB release the pass in 2 seconds, while the four teams remaining can be successful without being necessarily so? I am not saying they should completely do away with it... but jeez... if the OL can't hold off the pass rush on most of their pass plays, maybe they should change the OL or the schemes. Anyhow, the three I mentioned all have shown ability to gain a lot of extra yards after the catch using their quick feet/shiftiness. I don't expect them to be as excellent on the 2 sec route like JE and WW were, but I have not doubt they can be proficient. They also have the speed to burn DBs for the homerun. Rodgers, Allen and Mahomes each is able to buy more time by moving and scrambling and even running. It is even more critical for a drop back QB, being less mobile, to be able to find a quick target if there is immediate pressure. Regardless, quick release has always been a highly desired commodity even at least as far back as the 60s and more and more over the years. |
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Post by fisher on Jan 24, 2022 9:35:29 GMT -5
Why is NE so dependent on having the QB release the pass in 2 seconds, while the four teams remaining can be successful without being necessarily so? I am not saying they should completely do away with it... but jeez... if the OL can't hold off the pass rush on most of their pass plays, maybe they should change the OL or the schemes. Anyhow, the three I mentioned all have shown ability to gain a lot of extra yards after the catch using their quick feet/shiftiness. I don't expect them to be as excellent on the 2 sec route like JE and WW were, but I have not doubt they can be proficient. They also have the speed to burn DBs for the homerun. Rodgers, Allen and Mahomes each is able to buy more time by moving and scrambling and even running. It is even more critical for a drop back QB, being less mobile, to be able to find a quick target if there is immediate pressure. Regardless, quick release has always been a highly desired commodity even at least as far back as the 60s and more and more over the years. This is the draft section…why do y’all get off track so much? |
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Post by fisher on Jan 24, 2022 9:45:48 GMT -5
Two things I really noticed in the playoff games..
1….team speed especially on offense
2….play calling by each team…. Bet those plays noted aren’t even in Josh’s playbook…
This team needs speed at wr and lb’s
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Post by DaPatriots on Jan 24, 2022 10:08:49 GMT -5
Two things I really noticed in the playoff games.. 1….team speed especially on offense 2….play calling by each team…. Bet those plays noted aren’t even in Josh’s playbook… This team needs speed at wr and lb’s I would add defensive back, too. Our 5-8 speed CB Bryant wasn't fast enough to keep up with 5-9 McKenzie and Buffalo attacked that matchup. |
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Post by portfolio1 on Jan 24, 2022 13:30:38 GMT -5
Rodgers, Allen and Mahomes each is able to buy more time by moving and scrambling and even running. It is even more critical for a drop back QB, being less mobile, to be able to find a quick target if there is immediate pressure. Regardless, quick release has always been a highly desired commodity even at least as far back as the 60s and more and more over the years. This is the draft section…why do y’all get off track so much? I was responding to a post. Responding... so it is what it is... |
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Post by lowfbiq on Jan 24, 2022 16:02:33 GMT -5
Projected COMP picks:
•DET: 3rd/5th/6th
•BAL: 4th/4th
•LAR: 4th/6th/6th/6th
•NO: 4th/6th
•TEN: 4th/6th
•GB: 4th/7th
•PIT: 4th
•IND: 5th/6th
•DAL: 5th
•LAC: 6th/7th/7th/7th
•ARI: 6th/7th/7th
•ATL: 6th
•SF: 7th/7th/7th
•KC: 7th
•TB: 7th
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 24, 2022 21:10:16 GMT -5
This is the draft section…why do y’all get off track so much? I was responding to a post. Responding... so it is what it is... I guess someone has to police a discussion on how to think about criteria for identifying players who if drafted would benefit the team. Seriously? |
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Post by portfolio1 on Jan 24, 2022 21:13:23 GMT -5
I was responding to a post. Responding... so it is what it is... I guess someone has to police a discussion on how to think about criteria for identifying players who if drafted would benefit the team. Seriously? Someone made a comment. I responded. I don't see the big deal... |
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 25, 2022 11:03:19 GMT -5
Morning, boys! Who's everyone liking in Rd 1... on both sides of the ball? Your proverbial "binkies"? Who's your smaller name/sleeper? I honestly haven't watched a ton of CFB this year, as other interests have taken preference, so my list remains small. Rd 1. Chris Olave WR Ohio State Rd 2. Chad Muma LB Wyoming Long time no see! Welcome back! Cheers, man... I hope all is well. |
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 25, 2022 11:07:53 GMT -5
Morning, boys! Who's everyone liking in Rd 1... on both sides of the ball? Your proverbial "binkies"? Who's your smaller name/sleeper? I honestly haven't watched a ton of CFB this year, as other interests have taken preference, so my list remains small. Rd 1. Chris Olave WR Ohio State Rd 2. Chad Muma LB Wyoming I think we need to know what is more important to MB other than college football, the draft and keeping us entertained??!?!?!? So selfish.. Haha, just a lot of new interests. There's a lot to see in this world, and a lot of adventures to be had! |
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Post by lowfbiq on Jan 25, 2022 12:31:46 GMT -5
In the last 10 NFL drafts, the Patriots have spent the 2nd least amount of draft capital on the WR position. Just a sliver of difference from the top spot for very least draft capital investment in the position.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Jan 25, 2022 13:15:36 GMT -5
One of my favorite receivers in this draft trey burks from arkansas. Reminds me of AJ Brown. He’s bigger in height i believe.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 25, 2022 13:20:10 GMT -5
Two things I really noticed in the playoff games.. 1….team speed especially on offense 2….play calling by each team…. Bet those plays noted aren’t even in Josh’s playbook… This team needs speed at wr and lb’s I would add defensive back, too. Our 5-8 speed CB Bryant wasn't fast enough to keep up with 5-9 McKenzie and Buffalo attacked that matchup. Specifically CB & FS. And, while it'll be good to get Jonathan Jones back this year, he'll also be in a contract year. |
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Post by fisher on Jan 25, 2022 13:23:58 GMT -5
One of my favorite receivers in this draft trey burks from arkansas. Reminds me of AJ Brown. He’s bigger in height i believe. Size doesnt matter…can he run routes, catch the ball, and stay healthy? If size mattered, Harr6 would be an all star |
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Post by fisher on Jan 25, 2022 13:25:38 GMT -5
I would add defensive back, too. Our 5-8 speed CB Bryant wasn't fast enough to keep up with 5-9 McKenzie and Buffalo attacked that matchup. Specifically CB & FS. And, while it'll be good to get Jonathan Jones back this year, he'll also be in a contract year. With all due respect, if you can’t stop the run you could have 4 Gilmore’s back there and it wouldn’t matter |
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Post by patslifer on Jan 25, 2022 13:26:31 GMT -5
I would add defensive back, too. Our 5-8 speed CB Bryant wasn't fast enough to keep up with 5-9 McKenzie and Buffalo attacked that matchup. Specifically CB &FS. And, while it'll be good to get Jonathan Jones back this year, he'll also be in a contract year. Speed kills. While I like Bryant I don't believe he can stay with McKenzie. JJones would have gotten it done. JJones is in a contract year (last year being 2022) and has a cap hit of $7.7m. Seems like a good candidate for an extension. He's only 28. Extend another 3? I'd probably do this with JC in question. |
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 25, 2022 13:31:12 GMT -5
Specifically CB &FS. And, while it'll be good to get Jonathan Jones back this year, he'll also be in a contract year. Speed kills. While I like Bryant I don't believe he can stay with McKenzie. JJones would have gotten it done. JJones is in a contract year (last year being 2022) and has a cap hit of $7.7m. Seems like a good candidate for an extension. He's only 28. Extend another 3? I'd probably do this with JC in question. Assuming health, I think he's a prime candidate for an extension, yes. I could see (3) years for a 29 y/o (at the start of the season) player, yes... and we know there's always a way to move money. |
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Jan 25, 2022 13:34:57 GMT -5
One of my favorite receivers in this draft trey burks from arkansas. Reminds me of AJ Brown. He’s bigger in height i believe. Size doesnt matter…can he run routes, catch the ball, and stay healthy? If size mattered, Harr6 would be an all star Yes he can run routes and he’s very physical. |
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Jan 25, 2022 13:35:39 GMT -5
Speed kills. While I like Bryant I don't believe he can stay with McKenzie. JJones would have gotten it done. JJones is in a contract year (last year being 2022) and has a cap hit of $7.7m. Seems like a good candidate for an extension. He's only 28. Extend another 3? I'd probably do this with JC in question. Assuming health, I think he's a prime candidate for an extension, yes. I could see (3) years for a 29 y/o (at the start of the season) player, yes... and we know there's always a way to move money. Yo MB! Good to see you back! Talking draft. Hope everything’s good on your side. |
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 25, 2022 13:37:27 GMT -5
Specifically CB & FS. And, while it'll be good to get Jonathan Jones back this year, he'll also be in a contract year. With all due respect, if you can’t stop the run you could have 4 Gilmore’s back there and it wouldn’t matter They weren't stopping much of anything at the end of the year... and that comparison works both ways. You can have (4) Vince Wilforks, but if you can't stop the pass, it wouldn't matter much. Hopefully the incentive for BB to make some changes is there (with personnel and the coaching staff), after the embarrassing end to the season. |
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Post by rkarp on Jan 25, 2022 13:37:43 GMT -5
I saw a mock this morning that had the Pats taking;
1-21: CB Elam-Florida
2-53: CB Gordon-Washington
3-87: WR Robinson-Kentucky
4-123: ILB Clark-LSU
interesting to see CB taken at #1 and #2
Thoughts?
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Jan 25, 2022 13:39:18 GMT -5
I saw a mock this morning that had the Pats taking; 1-21: CB Elam-Florida 2-53: CB Gordon-Washington 3-87: WR Robinson-Kentucky 4-123: ILB Clark-LSU interesting to see CB taken at #1 and #2 Thoughts? I don’t think robinson will be there at 87. Maybe. |
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