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Post by carawaydj on Oct 30, 2022 16:53:48 GMT -5
I assume he means one of the post game coach/player interviews.
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Post by DaPatriots on Oct 30, 2022 16:54:24 GMT -5
What I can know from video is that the guy was not open! But if it was a timing pattern requiring the receiver and the QB to read the coverage the same way then only film review can determine who made the wrong read. True. IMO it was a typical panic "force it in" that we are becoming accustomed to seeing from him at times. You have to treat the passing game like a lady. None of that rough stuff! LOL
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Post by bostonts on Oct 30, 2022 16:54:27 GMT -5
That wasn't a scintillating win by any means but it was a must win for a chance for an entertaining, relevant season re: playoff chance etc. So, will take it. Mac deserves a chance to find his way and we need to know what we have in him. We already know what we have in Zappe - a reliable backup and perhaps a fair amount more. Now we need to know what we have in Mac one way or the other. It is ideal to keep playing Mac and scraping out imperfect wins. Give him a chance to find his confidence/get his stride, or not. This compels the coaches to work with Mac rather than setting him up to fail with their own Zappe preferences. Next time you go to Zappe - unless Mac is hurt again - it means you are going with Zappe permanently. So for now, you find out what you have in Mac, and when the schedule gets tough again, hopefully the team is on a roll. This is a tough situation, despite some who make this sound so easy. 1. Do you give up on him too soon? Some teams would have really screwed up had they done that. Two in our division come to mind. There is nothing said about Mac that wasn't said about Tua for instance. The Chargers did that with Brees. 2. Do you stick with him too long? There are also teams that kept hanging onto hope and never saw the QB they hoped for. So then you squander years. 3. What assurances do you have that your backup won't also regress and turn into a pumpkin? And how long do you give him? If Mac doesn't take bigger steps than today we'll probably end up seeing Zappe at some point and we'll probably end up picking another QB in the draft hoping he is the guy. Oh yeah, it's a difficult situation and to be honest, I'm not sure either one of our young QBs is good enough for deep playoff runs, even with an improving roster around them. But, too early to know for sure. You can make a difficult situation much harder on yourself by playing herky-jerky with the starting QB position, as we saw last week. I think the best you can hope for here is give Mac some confidence he can work his issues out and keep playing for a while, while not blowing smoke and offering him too many reassurances. Mac is used to battling for a starting position via college, so he has to endure a little bit of competitive pressure here. IMO his mental game needs to be strong enough for that, as long as he gets a few starts to get himself on track - and the coaching staff must also do their best to help him, more play actions, more offensive efforts to play to his strengths. There isn't a perfect formula here but we know what doesn't work: switching guys around all the time and even confusing your own players on what the plan is.
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Post by DaPatriots on Oct 30, 2022 16:56:34 GMT -5
I assume he means one of the post game coach/player interviews. Looks like Jakobi read the defense correctly! The guy was defending for the out and that's what he got!
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Post by 7thheaven on Oct 30, 2022 16:56:55 GMT -5
It's all about defense and forcing turnovers when we win. That was the case again today, 3 INT's, 2 by McCourty(awesome to see). Run D better and getting off the field on 3rd down also better. Big win and a must win against the 5-2 Jets.
Folk is the offensive MVP, 5 for 5 on FG's, sure we want TD's but this guy is a gimme 50 yards in. Rhamondre was awesome leading the team in both rushing and receiving yards!
Mac was better but got lucky on that pick six/roughing the passer. The other INT was a tipped pass so i'll give him a break. I am always pleased when we win and congrats to BB on win number 325!
Only 22 more wins to pass the hated Don Shula for most wins all time Probably going to take this season and 2 more seasons to pass Shula?
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Post by ATJ on Oct 30, 2022 16:57:18 GMT -5
But if it was a timing pattern requiring the receiver and the QB to read the coverage the same way then only film review can determine who made the wrong read. True. IMO it was a typical panic "force it in" that we are becoming accustomed to seeing from him at times. You have to treat the passing game like a lady. None of that rough stuff! LOL And we'll never really know. They'll review the film and they'll know.
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Post by thehub on Oct 30, 2022 16:58:08 GMT -5
Neither am I but I am not going to shit on him at every chance I get. The dude has crappy coaches and the offense has been fluctuating. In his second year no less. Patience my guy! He may not be the guy but he deserves a “real” chance to prove himself. Oh boy back to the coaches again. Did the Jets coaches ruin Wilson too? It all matters. Coach’s, his mental toughness, his physical skills etc. it all matters. I guess manning and Bree’s or even Brady after 4 picks in one game (second year) should have been giving up on. Patience!
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 30, 2022 17:00:45 GMT -5
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Post by ATJ on Oct 30, 2022 17:01:31 GMT -5
I assume he means one of the post game coach/player interviews. Looks like Jakobi read the defense correctly! The guy was defending for the out and that's what he got! That's honestly what you got from that? If Meyers run the out route he is in front of the defender. But again we'll never know.
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Post by DaPatriots on Oct 30, 2022 17:06:40 GMT -5
Looks like Jakobi read the defense correctly! The guy was defending for the out and that's what he got! That's honestly what you got from that? If Meyers run the out route he is in front of the defender. But again we'll never know. Well if it's an option I think the trigger to the option is how the route is defended!
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Post by texaspat on Oct 30, 2022 17:06:50 GMT -5
10-7 his rookie year. Lol. Our longtime OC left and we have a questionable defensive coach calling plays and coaching him this season. Your comments are dumb and your agenda is weak. Mac does not look any different from his rookie year and it’s not going to be good enough to go deep into the playoffs. The sooner you realize that the better. Mac's play will improve once he has an OL that protects him. The Jests have a good defense - and DT Quinnen Williams has equalled or surpassed Aaron Donald as the best DT the game. The Patriots won today because they limited turnovers, the play of Rhomadre Stevenson, and great all around special teams play. The Jests lost this game primarily due to a boneheaded penalty by Jests DE Jonathan Franklin Myers for roughing the passer - which negated a pick six. It was a 10 point turnaround, which would have given Gag Green a 17-3 halftime lead - rather than the 10-6 lead that they had at the half.
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Post by arizonapat on Oct 30, 2022 17:07:34 GMT -5
It's all about defense and forcing turnovers when we win. That was the case again today, 3 INT's, 2 by McCourty(awesome to see). Run D better and getting off the field on 3rd down also better. Big win and a must win against the 5-2 Jets. Folk is the offensive MVP, 5 for 5 on FG's, sure we want TD's but this guy is a gimme 50 yards in. Rhamondre was awesome leading the team in both rushing and receiving yards! Mac was better but got lucky on that pick six/roughing the passer. The other INT was a tipped pass so i'll give him a break. I am always pleased when we win and congrats to BB on win number 325! Only 22 more wins to pass the hated Don Shula for most wins all time Probably going to take this season and 2 more seasons to pass Shula? I don't think its called forcing turnovers when Wilson throws picks
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Post by robotpat on Oct 30, 2022 17:11:23 GMT -5
Yikes. Patriots quarterback Mac Jones's passer rating while under pressure (8.7) was dead-last among 38 quarterbacks
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Post by ATJ on Oct 30, 2022 17:13:46 GMT -5
Oh boy back to the coaches again. Did the Jets coaches ruin Wilson too? It all matters. Coach’s, his mental toughness, his physical skills etc. it all matters. I guess manning and Bree’s or even Brady after 4 picks in one game (second year) should have been giving up on. Patience! Hell Brady (was it last year or the year before) threw picks on 3 consecutive offensive series in the playoffs. It happens.
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Post by johngrant on Oct 30, 2022 17:14:52 GMT -5
Yikes. Patriots quarterback Mac Jones's passer rating while under pressure (8.7) was dead-last among 38 quarterbacks Just bad coaching. Nothing to see here
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Post by ATJ on Oct 30, 2022 17:15:36 GMT -5
That's honestly what you got from that? If Meyers run the out route he is in front of the defender. But again we'll never know. Well if it's an option I think the trigger to the option is how the route is defended! Of course. But that still doesn't tell you who read the D incorrectly
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Post by elvissurfs on Oct 30, 2022 17:16:21 GMT -5
Who the F is Joe Kapp??!!! I'm pretty sure he played football with Paul Revere. We're going waay back lol. Heck, if this wasn's a New England board, I bet a lot of the young-uns here wouldn't even know who Paul Revere was... They would probably think he was a salad dressing guy, like Paul Newman...
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Post by ATJ on Oct 30, 2022 17:18:10 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure he played football with Paul Revere. We're going waay back lol. Heck, if this wasn's a New England board, I bet a lot of the young uns here wouldn't even know who Paul Revere was... They would probably think he was a salad dressing guy, like Paul Newman... Regrettably you're probably right.
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Post by DaPatriots on Oct 30, 2022 17:21:41 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure he played football with Paul Revere. We're going waay back lol. Heck, if this wasn's a New England board, I bet a lot of the young-uns here wouldn't even know who Paul Revere was... They would probably think he was a salad dressing guy, like Paul Newman... I had a little horsey named Paul Revere...
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Post by elvissurfs on Oct 30, 2022 17:28:03 GMT -5
Heck, if this wasn's a New England board, I bet a lot of the young-uns here wouldn't even know who Paul Revere was... They would probably think he was a salad dressing guy, like Paul Newman... I had a little horsey named Paul Revere... Guess I am a little slow, but just realized you are DaCeltics from da Celtic board... Confused though about the horse with two names...I have however heard of 'A Horse With No Name'...
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 30, 2022 17:29:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure he played football with Paul Revere. We're going waay back lol. Heck, if this wasn's a New England board, I bet a lot of the young-uns here wouldn't even know who Paul Revere was... They would probably think he was a salad dressing guy, like Paul Newman... damn. Now I feel old.
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Post by 7thheaven on Oct 30, 2022 17:36:23 GMT -5
It's all about defense and forcing turnovers when we win. That was the case again today, 3 INT's, 2 by McCourty(awesome to see). Run D better and getting off the field on 3rd down also better. Big win and a must win against the 5-2 Jets. Folk is the offensive MVP, 5 for 5 on FG's, sure we want TD's but this guy is a gimme 50 yards in. Rhamondre was awesome leading the team in both rushing and receiving yards! Mac was better but got lucky on that pick six/roughing the passer. The other INT was a tipped pass so i'll give him a break. I am always pleased when we win and congrats to BB on win number 325! Only 22 more wins to pass the hated Don Shula for most wins all time Probably going to take this season and 2 more seasons to pass Shula? I don't think its called forcing turnovers when Wilson throws picks Thats what it is called however, maybe you should petition for more rule changes?
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Post by johngrant on Oct 30, 2022 17:46:28 GMT -5
I knew it was dink and dunk but damn ☹️
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Post by patsfan2007 on Oct 30, 2022 17:49:56 GMT -5
Sometimes it bugs the shit out of me when people are so patently wrong, it gets thrown on the web and then everyone repeats it as true.
Here's from a quote from Lazar regarding Mac's interception:"Sure, Mac is attacking a one-on-one here."
Take a look at the video and go to the 6 second mark. You will clearly see that there is a safety already behind Bourne and the DB. This is NOT a one-on-one because the CB had deep help.
If the ball is not tipped at the line, the safety best positioned to catch that ball.
Is Lazar just being an idiot or is he pushing a narrative that helps no one. You have to tell Mac this was a bad decisions so he doesn't do it again.
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Post by prairiemike on Oct 30, 2022 18:07:38 GMT -5
Heck, if this wasn's a New England board, I bet a lot of the young uns here wouldn't even know who Paul Revere was... They would probably think he was a salad dressing guy, like Paul Newman... Regrettably you're probably right. A couple things here: a) I thought Paul Newman was a racecar driver and ... 2) Paul Revere is only famous because there aren't many good rhymes for Israel Bissell.
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