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Apr 22, 2024 14:18:51 GMT -5
Post by Wozzy on Apr 22, 2024 14:18:51 GMT -5
who said anything about 2014? the same guy talking about Moss? Go back and read this thread over again, then pull your head from your ass and realize what the actual conversation was about.
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Apr 22, 2024 14:32:26 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 22, 2024 14:32:26 GMT -5
who said anything about 2014? the same guy talking about Moss? Go back and read this thread over again, then pull your head from your ass and realize what the actual conversation was about. "Tom Brady made the single greatest gesture of “leadership” in the modern age, he took less money from 2014-2019 to help his team game the NFL salary cap. There's no bigger example of doing more to win, millions of dollars means a lot more than platitudes about “leadership.” Wozzy. now you moved the goal posts to before 2014 you moved the goal posts to 2020 Tom took less money because he got his money upfront rather than waiting for it when he wanted to be paid accordingly, rather than take less, but sooner, Bill incentivized his salary. the beginning of the end.
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Apr 22, 2024 15:33:30 GMT -5
Post by Wozzy on Apr 22, 2024 15:33:30 GMT -5
"Tom Brady made the single greatest gesture of “leadership” in the modern age, he took less money from 2014-2019 to help his team game the NFL salary cap. There's no bigger example of doing more to win, millions of dollars means a lot more than platitudes about “leadership.” Wozzy. now you moved the goal posts to before 2014 you moved the goal posts to 2020 Tom took less money because he got his money upfront rather than waiting for it when he wanted to be paid accordingly, rather than take less, but sooner, Bill incentivized his salary. the beginning of the end. What? You're an idiot, I didn’t change what I said at all. Tom took less money starting in 2014, his salary practically froze in place as his peers salaries around him rose. He took less period, he didn’t take it “upfront.”
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Apr 23, 2024 21:49:30 GMT -5
Post by TFB12 on Apr 23, 2024 21:49:30 GMT -5
SI Andrew Brandt....
Let’s put aside the early seasons in New England when Brady was either not playing or playing on relatively nominal contracts.
From the time Brady started making “real money” until the end of his Patriots tenure—a sixteen-season span ranging from 2004–19—Brady had career earnings of $241 million, an average per year (APY) of roughly $15 million.
Let’s contrast that number with two quarterbacks who have been very much in the news lately.
Putting aside his (massive) rookie contract, Matthew Stafford played another eight seasons with the Lions, from 2013–20. His eight-year earnings there were $188 million, an APY of $23.5 million.
Aaron Rodgers will have played fourteen seasons (2009–22) of post-rookie contract earnings after the upcoming season. Even assuming his contract is not upgraded for the coming season—which it will be by the Packers or another team—his earnings will be just under $300 million, an APY of over $21 million.
These are just two examples of many similarly situated players that have consistently outpaced Brady in NFL contract earnings, by margins of over $8 million and $6 million, respectively, per year!
Was Brady “better” than these players in some or all of these years? Perhaps. Is Brady the best of all time? Perhaps. But one thing is clear: For the bulk of Brady’s career he has consistently and continuously taken less money than similarly-situated elite quarterbacks. The evidence is crystal clear.
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Apr 24, 2024 9:06:14 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 24, 2024 9:06:14 GMT -5
Go back and read this thread over again, then pull your head from your ass and realize what the actual conversation was about. "Tom Brady made the single greatest gesture of “leadership” in the modern age, he took less money from 2014-2019 to help his team game the NFL salary cap. There's no bigger example of doing more to win, millions of dollars means a lot more than platitudes about “leadership.” Wozzy. now you moved the goal posts to before 2014 you moved the goal posts to 2020 Tom took less money because he got his money upfront rather than waiting for it when he wanted to be paid accordingly, rather than take less, but sooner, Bill incentivized his salary. the beginning of the end. if you look at Bradys "base salary" vs his "bonus monies" which I posted above, you can see the structures of his deals was to take his money upfront. I understand you don't see it. you never have and never will. you lack the basic understanding of the cap in general, which is fine. but stop arguing about something you are not understanding. you look the fool, again.
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Apr 24, 2024 9:37:00 GMT -5
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 24, 2024 9:37:00 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/earnings/2014/all-time/^ Brady was #2 behind only Peyton Manning on the NFL’s all time earnings list by 2014. Manning had been in the league two years longer at the time and had been the first overall pick. Peyton made more on his rookie signing bonus than Tom made on his entire three year rookie contract. But Tom took less money over that time? These two math geniuses above can’t explain it, so they’ll simply ignore it and dance. Explain the math… otherwise shut the fck up.
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Apr 24, 2024 11:53:46 GMT -5
Post by TFB12 on Apr 24, 2024 11:53:46 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/earnings/2014/all-time/^ Brady was #2 behind only Peyton Manning on the NFL’s all time earnings list by 2014. Manning had been in the league two years longer at the time and had been the first overall pick. Peyton made more on his rookie signing bonus than Tom made on his entire three year rookie contract. But Tom took less money over that time? These two math geniuses above can’t explain it, so they’ll simply ignore it and dance. Explain the math… otherwise shut the fck up. Andrew Brandt "But one thing is clear, for the bulk of Brady’s career he has consistently and continuously taken less money than similarly-situated elite quarterbacks. The evidence is crystal clear." Echoing pretty much what I have been saying for years.. now supported with comments made by a former successful GM. Thanks Tom Brady.. giving Belichick and the Patriots a big advantage over the years.
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Apr 24, 2024 12:02:05 GMT -5
Post by Wozzy on Apr 24, 2024 12:02:05 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/earnings/2014/all-time/^ Brady was #2 behind only Peyton Manning on the NFL’s all time earnings list by 2014. Manning had been in the league two years longer at the time and had been the first overall pick. Peyton made more on his rookie signing bonus than Tom made on his entire three year rookie contract. But Tom took less money over that time? These two math geniuses above can’t explain it, so they’ll simply ignore it and dance. Explain the math… otherwise shut the fck up. Explain the math… otherwise shut the fck up?
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Apr 24, 2024 16:02:24 GMT -5
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Post by rkarp on Apr 24, 2024 16:02:24 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/earnings/2014/all-time/^ Brady was #2 behind only Peyton Manning on the NFL’s all time earnings list by 2014. Manning had been in the league two years longer at the time and had been the first overall pick. Peyton made more on his rookie signing bonus than Tom made on his entire three year rookie contract. But Tom took less money over that time? These two math geniuses above can’t explain it, so they’ll simply ignore it and dance. Explain the math… otherwise shut the fck up. Explain the math… otherwise shut the fck up? Take your L my man It looks good on you
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Apr 24, 2024 21:31:33 GMT -5
Post by Wozzy on Apr 24, 2024 21:31:33 GMT -5
Explain the math… otherwise shut the fck up? Take your L my man It looks good on you You can't explain the math, figure out the rest.
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Apr 25, 2024 6:32:12 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2024 6:32:12 GMT -5
Take your L my man It looks good on you You can't explain the math, figure out the rest. I have explained numerous times. when a player gets his cash is a factor to how much he gets. it is like our infamous bet. you were lauding how much money J Collins signed for, yet he never rcvd all of it. a fact to this day you do not comprehend. waiting for money owed, is also money "lost". Brady rcvd most of his announced money, very quickly. therefore he took less. a simple review of his "salary" vs his "bonus" amounts shows such. the fact that Kraft was able to account (salary cap) for that money paid upfront over numerous years is why the cap is crap.
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Apr 25, 2024 8:07:32 GMT -5
Post by Wozzy on Apr 25, 2024 8:07:32 GMT -5
You can't explain the math, figure out the rest. I have explained numerous times. when a player gets his cash is a factor to how much he gets. it is like our infamous bet. you were lauding how much money J Collins signed for, yet he never rcvd all of it. a fact to this day you do not comprehend. waiting for money owed, is also money "lost". Brady rcvd most of his announced money, very quickly. therefore he took less. a simple review of his "salary" vs his "bonus" amounts shows such. the fact that Kraft was able to account (salary cap) for that money paid upfront over numerous years is why the cap is crap. Stop dancing. We’re comparing Tom to his peers. Tom made 200K in year one, he made 600K in year two, the only reason it was that much was playoff and Super Bowl bonuses. The Pats gave him a pay bump in year three despite being under no obligation contractually. So if Tom got paid peanuts on his rookie deal for the first three years, how did he end up #2 on the NFL’s all time earner list by 2014 taking less from his rookie deal on? He didn’t. He was the outright highest paid player in the NFL in 2010, he was among the highest paid players the entire decade after his rookie deal. 3rd grade math says this is true. From 2014 on in NE he took less… Spotrac and OTC both reflect this. And PS, Jamie Collins got double the guaranteed dollars you predicted he would get… you lost and welched. Then started dancing for years.
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Apr 25, 2024 8:18:41 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2024 8:18:41 GMT -5
I have explained numerous times. when a player gets his cash is a factor to how much he gets. it is like our infamous bet. you were lauding how much money J Collins signed for, yet he never rcvd all of it. a fact to this day you do not comprehend. waiting for money owed, is also money "lost". Brady rcvd most of his announced money, very quickly. therefore he took less. a simple review of his "salary" vs his "bonus" amounts shows such. the fact that Kraft was able to account (salary cap) for that money paid upfront over numerous years is why the cap is crap. Stop dancing. We’re comparing Tom to his peers. Tom made 200K in year one, he made 600K in year two, the only reason it was that much was playoff and Super Bowl bonuses. The Pats gave him a pay bump in year three despite being under no obligation contractually. So if Tom got paid peanuts on his rookie deal for the first three years, how did he end up #2 on the NFL’s all time earner list by 2014 taking less from his rookie deal on? He didn’t. He was the outright highest paid player in the NFL in 2010, he was among the highest paid players the entire decade after his rookie deal. 3rd grade math says this is true. From 2014 on in NE he took less… Spotrac and OTC both reflect this. And PS, Jamie Collins got double the guaranteed dollars you predicted he would get… you lost and welched. Then started dancing for years. you not understanding is not me dancing
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Apr 25, 2024 8:25:00 GMT -5
Post by Wozzy on Apr 25, 2024 8:25:00 GMT -5
you not understanding is not me dancing If you could have explained the math you would have. Dance.
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Apr 25, 2024 8:29:51 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2024 8:29:51 GMT -5
you not understanding is not me dancing If you could have explained the math you would have. Dance. since I have 3 times now and you still do not understand, I will bow out thanks
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Apr 25, 2024 8:32:06 GMT -5
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 25, 2024 8:32:06 GMT -5
since I have 3 times now and you still do not understand, I will bow out thanks How they decided to pay him has no bearing at all on what he got paid. You dance when you’re cornered, keep dancing.
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Apr 25, 2024 8:36:14 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2024 8:36:14 GMT -5
since I have 3 times now and you still do not understand, I will bow out thanks How they decided to pay him has no bearing at all on what he got paid. You dance when you’re cornered, keep dancing. you say it does not I say it does no need to keep debating. at least you are acknowledgeing he was paid early I will take that as a small step that you are finally learning something, although your comment on the other page about Denver being over the cap is another 2 steps backwards
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Apr 25, 2024 8:42:46 GMT -5
Post by Wozzy on Apr 25, 2024 8:42:46 GMT -5
you say it does not I say it does no need to keep debating. at least you are acknowledgeing he was paid early I will take that as a small step that you are finally learning something, although your comment on the other page about Denver being over the cap is another 2 steps backwards Brady didn’t take less from 2005-2014…. period. How they arranged the contracts is entirely irrelevant. You said something silly, the math doesn’t add up and now you’re dancing. This is a microcosm of your relationship with this board for the last decade.
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Apr 25, 2024 8:57:48 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2024 8:57:48 GMT -5
you say it does not I say it does no need to keep debating. at least you are acknowledgeing he was paid early I will take that as a small step that you are finally learning something, although your comment on the other page about Denver being over the cap is another 2 steps backwards Brady didn’t take less from 2005-2014…. period. How they arranged the contracts is entirely irrelevant. You said something silly, the math doesn’t add up and now you’re dancing. This is a microcosm of your relationship with this board for the last decade. "Tom Brady made the single greatest gesture of “leadership” in the modern age, he took less money from 2014-2019 to help his team game the NFL salary cap.
There's no bigger example of doing more to win, millions of dollars means a lot more than platitudes about “leadership.” Wozzy.
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Apr 25, 2024 9:08:26 GMT -5
Post by Wozzy on Apr 25, 2024 9:08:26 GMT -5
"Tom Brady made the single greatest gesture of “leadership” in the modern age, he took less money from 2014-2019 to help his team game the NFL salary cap.
There's no bigger example of doing more to win, millions of dollars means a lot more than platitudes about “leadership.” Wozzy. Correct.
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Apr 25, 2024 10:55:55 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2024 10:55:55 GMT -5
I have explained numerous times. when a player gets his cash is a factor to how much he gets. it is like our infamous bet. you were lauding how much money J Collins signed for, yet he never rcvd all of it. a fact to this day you do not comprehend. waiting for money owed, is also money "lost". Brady rcvd most of his announced money, very quickly. therefore he took less. a simple review of his "salary" vs his "bonus" amounts shows such. the fact that Kraft was able to account (salary cap) for that money paid upfront over numerous years is why the cap is crap. Stop dancing. We’re comparing Tom to his peers. Tom made 200K in year one, he made 600K in year two, the only reason it was that much was playoff and Super Bowl bonuses. The Pats gave him a pay bump in year three despite being under no obligation contractually. So if Tom got paid peanuts on his rookie deal for the first three years, how did he end up #2 on the NFL’s all time earner list by 2014 taking less from his rookie deal on? He didn’t. He was the outright highest paid player in the NFL in 2010, he was among the highest paid players the entire decade after his rookie deal. 3rd grade math says this is true. From 2014 on in NE he took less… Spotrac and OTC both reflect this. And PS, Jamie Collins got double the guaranteed dollars you predicted he would get… you lost and welched. Then started dancing for years. ok 2010 Brady cash payment was $26.5m. STafford cash payment $26.9M. Brady was #2 among QB's 2011Brady cash paid $10m 9 QB's were paid more cash in 2011 than Brady. 2012 Brady cash paid $12m 8 Qb's were paid more in cash than Brady. (Bree's was paid $40m cash) 2013 Brady cash paid $31m 2 QB's were paid more cash than Brady each and every time Brady did a new deal, that year of the deal his cash paid was among the leagues highest. that is because he took his money upfront. that is only for QB's. at no time was Bradythe top paid QB, never mind player, from 2010 thru 2014 what else ya got?
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Apr 25, 2024 12:23:03 GMT -5
Post by Wozzy on Apr 25, 2024 12:23:03 GMT -5
ok 2010 Brady cash payment was $26.5m. STafford cash payment $26.9M. Brady was #2 among QB's 2011Brady cash paid $10m 9 QB's were paid more cash in 2011 than Brady. 2012 Brady cash paid $12m 8 Qb's were paid more in cash than Brady. (Bree's was paid $40m cash) 2013 Brady cash paid $31m 2 QB's were paid more cash than Brady each and every time Brady did a new deal, that year of the deal his cash paid was among the leagues highest. that is because he took his money upfront. that is only for QB's. at no time was Bradythe top paid QB, never mind player, from 2010 thru 2014 what else ya got? Answer the math question, otherwise stop talking. It’s an easy question. How could Tom Brady be simultaneously underpaid and end up 2nd on the all time earnings list by 2014? He couldn’t. Your full of sht.
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Apr 25, 2024 12:26:22 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2024 12:26:22 GMT -5
ok 2010 Brady cash payment was $26.5m. STafford cash payment $26.9M. Brady was #2 among QB's 2011Brady cash paid $10m 9 QB's were paid more cash in 2011 than Brady. 2012 Brady cash paid $12m 8 Qb's were paid more in cash than Brady. (Bree's was paid $40m cash) 2013 Brady cash paid $31m 2 QB's were paid more cash than Brady each and every time Brady did a new deal, that year of the deal his cash paid was among the leagues highest. that is because he took his money upfront. that is only for QB's. at no time was Bradythe top paid QB, never mind player, from 2010 thru 2014 what else ya got? Answer the math question, otherwise stop talking. It’s an easy question. How could Tom Brady be simultaneously underpaid and end up 2nd on the all time earnings list by 2014? He couldn’t. Your full of sht. by 2015 he was not #2 as Brees and Rodgers eclipsed him, and Ryan shortly would as well. also Eli and Peyton Prior to 2015, Tom rcvd his cash upfront, and no one else had I never said Tom was underpaid. I said he took his cash early, and accepted less for doing so. I said he did so his entire career Kraft and Yee were early on cap is crap... unfortunately it is still taking you all this time
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Apr 25, 2024 12:26:44 GMT -5
Post by Wozzy on Apr 25, 2024 12:26:44 GMT -5
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Apr 25, 2024 12:28:05 GMT -5
Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2024 12:28:05 GMT -5
I just showed you that STafford made more money than Tom in 2010
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