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Post by rkarp on Jan 19, 2021 15:15:41 GMT -5
I would also think the Pats would have to break norm if they do draft a QB in rd 1. I would think that they have a rd 1 grade on Lawrence, but none of the other QB's? would they use a rd 1 pick on a QB they have a rd 2 grade for?
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Post by thejuice on Jan 19, 2021 15:22:23 GMT -5
I would also think the Pats would have to break norm if they do draft a QB in rd 1. I would think that they have a rd 1 grade on Lawrence, but none of the other QB's? would they use a rd 1 pick on a QB they have a rd 2 grade for? well have to wait and see come april..... its not like theyve ever needed to even consider taking a qb in rd in the last 20 plus years, so who knows what they will or want do.
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Post by digger0862 on Jan 19, 2021 16:09:39 GMT -5
Never said that was or wasn’t the case. It’s clear that position trumps all others but if we can find a solid or better qb and make the other necessary adds then they can easily be in the playoffs next year and title contending again shortly after that That would qualify as one of the right moves.
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Post by joeyct on Jan 19, 2021 16:14:58 GMT -5
I would also think the Pats would have to break norm if they do draft a QB in rd 1. I would think that they have a rd 1 grade on Lawrence, but none of the other QB's? would they use a rd 1 pick on a QB they have a rd 2 grade for? Just sincere curiosity. What info leads you to believe Lawrence is only QB they view as a 1st rounder?
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Post by rkarp on Jan 19, 2021 17:12:19 GMT -5
I would also think the Pats would have to break norm if they do draft a QB in rd 1. I would think that they have a rd 1 grade on Lawrence, but none of the other QB's? would they use a rd 1 pick on a QB they have a rd 2 grade for? Just sincere curiosity. What info leads you to believe Lawrence is only QB they view as a 1st rounder? I think the Pats view a first round guy as someone who can come in day 1 and start/play majority of snaps I am just guessing, but I would think they do not see Fields, Jones or Lance as a day 1 starter. Maybe Wilson? Probably Lawrence. now, would they break from their thought process and project/reach on a player at a position of need. Imo, they will not. Leads me to think they will go best player available on their draft chart, which might be OL or DB
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Post by joeyct on Jan 19, 2021 18:03:22 GMT -5
Just sincere curiosity. What info leads you to believe Lawrence is only QB they view as a 1st rounder? I think the Pats view a first round guy as someone who can come in day 1 and start/play majority of snaps I am just guessing, but I would think they do not see Fields, Jones or Lance as a day 1 starter. Maybe Wilson? Probably Lawrence. now, would they break from their thought process and project/reach on a player at a position of need. Imo, they will not. Leads me to think they will go best player available on their draft chart, which might be OL or DB Appreciate hearing your reasoning! I consider myself way too casual an evaluator so I like hearing others thoughts as I build my own draft opinions.
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Post by philskiw on Jan 19, 2021 18:06:20 GMT -5
Just sincere curiosity. What info leads you to believe Lawrence is only QB they view as a 1st rounder? I think the Pats view a first round guy as someone who can come in day 1 and start/play majority of snaps I am just guessing, but I would think they do not see Fields, Jones or Lance as a day 1 starter. Maybe Wilson? Probably Lawrence. now, would they break from their thought process and project/reach on a player at a position of need. Imo, they will not. Leads me to think they will go best player available on their draft chart, which might be OL or DB that DT from Alabama or Surtan.
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Post by rkarp on Jan 19, 2021 18:25:47 GMT -5
interesting team to look at for cutting vets is the Raiders; RT-Trent Brown-save $14m. $0 dead cap WR-Tyrell Williams-save $11.6m. $0 dead cap QB-David Carr-save $19.6m. $2.5m dead cap QB-Marcus Mariotta-save $11.3m. $0 dead cap
now of course I do not see them moving on from Carr and Mariotta. but if Jones is there at #17 and they love him, would they grab him and move Carr, leaving Mariotta as the bridge? Brown has been very often injured. would he come back, get in shape and try to repair his career? Williams would come in and be the Pats #1 WR, and would fit nicely with Meyers and Edelman (if he returns)
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Post by thejuice on Jan 19, 2021 20:16:53 GMT -5
interesting team to look at for cutting vets is the Raiders; RT-Trent Brown-save $14m. $0 dead cap WR-Tyrell Williams-save $11.6m. $0 dead cap QB-David Carr-save $19.6m. $2.5m dead cap QB-Marcus Mariotta-save $11.3m. $0 dead cap now of course I do not see them moving on from Carr and Mariotta. but if Jones is there at #17 and they love him, would they grab him and move Carr, leaving Mariotta as the bridge? Brown has been very often injured. would he come back, get in shape and try to repair his career? Williams would come in and be the Pats #1 WR, and would fit nicely with Meyers and Edelman (if he returns) had the same thought about the 2 qbs. dont see vegas keeping both, and i think whichever they move on from, would be good options here. no reason to spend the money on brown that it would take, partially for the reasons you mentioned above, among others. if thuney leaves,and depending on what they think or where they envision playing wynn long term (if he is here long term) they are going to need to find another OT but they could either draft one or perhaps find on in FA. and williams has always been too oft injured and too inconsistent, so little interest there... if he could be had for relatively cheap contract, then by all means take a flier, but he isnt worth anywhere near the 11 mil or so vegas is paying him. not even close. maybe half that and itd be worth a shot. lord knows they need tons of wide receiver help so him on the right deal i am ok with, but way overpaying average to worse wrs isnt going to help improve anything at all.
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Post by rkarp on Jan 20, 2021 6:59:29 GMT -5
interesting team to look at for cutting vets is the Raiders; RT-Trent Brown-save $14m. $0 dead cap WR-Tyrell Williams-save $11.6m. $0 dead cap QB-David Carr-save $19.6m. $2.5m dead cap QB-Marcus Mariotta-save $11.3m. $0 dead cap now of course I do not see them moving on from Carr and Mariotta. but if Jones is there at #17 and they love him, would they grab him and move Carr, leaving Mariotta as the bridge? Brown has been very often injured. would he come back, get in shape and try to repair his career? Williams would come in and be the Pats #1 WR, and would fit nicely with Meyers and Edelman (if he returns) had the same thought about the 2 qbs. dont see vegas keeping both, and i think whichever they move on from, would be good options here. no reason to spend the money on brown that it would take, partially for the reasons you mentioned above, among others. if thuney leaves,and depending on what they think or where they envision playing wynn long term (if he is here long term) they are going to need to find another OT but they could either draft one or perhaps find on in FA. and williams has always been too oft injured and too inconsistent, so little interest there... if he could be had for relatively cheap contract, then by all means take a flier, but he isnt worth anywhere near the 11 mil or so vegas is paying him. not even close. maybe half that and itd be worth a shot. lord knows they need tons of wide receiver help so him on the right deal i am ok with, but way overpaying average to worse wrs isnt going to help improve anything at all. just pointing out that if the Raiders cut Williams and Brown, as free agents, they could of course go to where ever they wish. Williams has played in 16,16,16, 14 games the past 4 seasons, and avg approx 50 rcpts per season. would he be a tier 3 WR target?
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Post by TrueChamp on Jan 20, 2021 9:49:03 GMT -5
had the same thought about the 2 qbs. dont see vegas keeping both, and i think whichever they move on from, would be good options here. no reason to spend the money on brown that it would take, partially for the reasons you mentioned above, among others. if thuney leaves,and depending on what they think or where they envision playing wynn long term (if he is here long term) they are going to need to find another OT but they could either draft one or perhaps find on in FA. and williams has always been too oft injured and too inconsistent, so little interest there... if he could be had for relatively cheap contract, then by all means take a flier, but he isnt worth anywhere near the 11 mil or so vegas is paying him. not even close. maybe half that and itd be worth a shot. lord knows they need tons of wide receiver help so him on the right deal i am ok with, but way overpaying average to worse wrs isnt going to help improve anything at all. just pointing out that if the Raiders cut Williams and Brown, as free agents, they could of course go to where ever they wish. Williams has played in 16,16,16, 14 games the past 4 seasons, and avg approx 50 rcpts per season. would he be a tier 3 WR target? We already have a #3 receiver...sorry, "only" have a #3 receiver. Tyrella best days are behind him. I'll take Carr in a trade tho.
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Post by olemiss on Jan 20, 2021 14:13:42 GMT -5
DT Bama Cristian Baramore with 1st round pick, starter in year 1 for Pats!
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Post by thejuice on Jan 20, 2021 21:17:02 GMT -5
had the same thought about the 2 qbs. dont see vegas keeping both, and i think whichever they move on from, would be good options here. no reason to spend the money on brown that it would take, partially for the reasons you mentioned above, among others. if thuney leaves,and depending on what they think or where they envision playing wynn long term (if he is here long term) they are going to need to find another OT but they could either draft one or perhaps find on in FA. and williams has always been too oft injured and too inconsistent, so little interest there... if he could be had for relatively cheap contract, then by all means take a flier, but he isnt worth anywhere near the 11 mil or so vegas is paying him. not even close. maybe half that and itd be worth a shot. lord knows they need tons of wide receiver help so him on the right deal i am ok with, but way overpaying average to worse wrs isnt going to help improve anything at all. just pointing out that if the Raiders cut Williams and Brown, as free agents, they could of course go to where ever they wish. Williams has played in 16,16,16, 14 games the past 4 seasons, and avg approx 50 rcpts per season. would he be a tier 3 WR target? i reallize williams hasnt missed many games, but hes been knicked up here and there too often. tier 3 sounds about right. like i said, this team as we all know needs a ton of WR help... but overpaying average WRs isnt going to help much if at all. williams at anywhere near his current salary of 11 mil, is a terrible idea. bringing him in for a year or 2 at somehwere near half that, i am fine with that. they more than anything need a special game breaking WR a true #1, which again, Williams isnt.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Jan 20, 2021 22:18:41 GMT -5
I was a big trent brown fan when he was with us. He was another case of one of those guys that cashed out and went to another team and hasn’t been able to get on the field. Stay healthy. Not old as well. I believe he’s 27 still. He was dominant though in those 5 games he played this season. Didn’t allow much. If the raiders moved on from him i would take a flyer on him and move Wynn inside.
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Post by rkarp on Jan 21, 2021 5:43:23 GMT -5
I was a big trent brown fan when he was with us. He was another case of one of those guys that cashed out and went to another team and hasn’t been able to get on the field. Stay healthy. Not old as well. I believe he’s 27 still. He was dominant though in those 5 games he played this season. Didn’t allow much. If the raiders moved on from him i would take a flyer on him and move Wynn inside. the "take a flyer" part on Brown or Williams is interesting, because I had thought a player like Brown or Williams would come here for a year or two, get his act together, allow the staff to put them in a position to really shine, coach them up. then they would leave for a bigger pay day. they would come here, get lots of exposure, and win. we saw it with VanNoy, Flowers, Collins, Brown and the list goes on and on. with out Brady, are those days of players having that type of mindset to come and play here over?
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Post by jjdbrasil on Jan 23, 2021 6:34:34 GMT -5
MATT PATRICIA HC, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Patriots hired Matt Patricia to assist the coaching staff in a variety of roles. Patricia will reportedly reunite with the Patriots as an advisor to Bill Belichick and the team's coaching staff after the former's failed stint as Detroit's head coach. His role, albeit a work in progress at this time, will likely be similar to Mike Lombardi's while in New England, lending help with both projects and personnel. Patricia previously spent 14 years serving on the Patriots' staff including six as the team's defensive coordinator.
SOURCE: Jim McBride on Twitter Jan 22, 2021, 4:45 PM ET
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Post by philskiw on Jan 23, 2021 6:37:23 GMT -5
I’d rather brought Romeo back
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Post by thejuice on Jan 23, 2021 12:54:16 GMT -5
MATT PATRICIA HC, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS Patriots hired Matt Patricia to assist the coaching staff in a variety of roles. Patricia will reportedly reunite with the Patriots as an advisor to Bill Belichick and the team's coaching staff after the former's failed stint as Detroit's head coach. His role, albeit a work in progress at this time, will likely be similar to Mike Lombardi's while in New England, lending help with both projects and personnel. Patricia previously spent 14 years serving on the Patriots' staff including six as the team's defensive coordinator. SOURCE: Jim McBride on Twitter Jan 22, 2021, 4:45 PM ET I like this move. I’d hate it if he was brought back as DC but he knows how things go here and he’ll be able to help out in a variety of ways. A positive imo simply because it allows BB to focus on the more important things that need his focus (whatever he deems those to be).
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Post by joeyct on Jan 25, 2021 17:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by muzwell on Jan 25, 2021 17:37:26 GMT -5
Someone's gotta say it... championship!
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Post by joeyct on Jan 27, 2021 14:54:26 GMT -5
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Post by fisher on Jan 27, 2021 15:40:02 GMT -5
Looked at a mock draft and there were a few suggesting Waddle (Alabama) rd 1...... QB rd 2.... makes sense if it works like that,,, address DL in FA ...
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Jan 27, 2021 17:49:56 GMT -5
Rather save money, and build through the draft. Look what all that spending on free agents got the Patriots last year and this year.
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Post by thejuice on Jan 27, 2021 23:05:19 GMT -5
Gee do you think? Bang up job Curran. He used to be good. Not the case anymore
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Post by johngrant on Jan 30, 2021 22:12:46 GMT -5
Boom. Didn’t think that Det would take on Goff and his huge contract. Wow
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