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Post by patslifer on Mar 27, 2024 16:03:06 GMT -5
Jacoby Brisket. 1 year, $8m. Up to $12m with incentives.
Seems curious.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Mar 27, 2024 16:10:51 GMT -5
None of above. I'd trade down to #6 and take best OT I am 99 percent sure they’re taking a QB lol.
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Post by thejuice on Mar 27, 2024 17:21:27 GMT -5
I agree with you on the importance of Tackle ...but this draft is deep at tackle. MHJ appears to be a generational type. Provided Pats pass on QB ...I would want MHJ It may be deep at tackle but if you take the RT's out of the mix, not so much. It is however very deep at WR. bingo
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Post by rkarp on Mar 27, 2024 18:04:32 GMT -5
espn mock draft that has the Pats trading #3 to the Vikes for #11, #23 and a 2025 #1 to the Pats Pats roll with Jacobi and take Rattler for development OT, CB, WR
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Post by DaPatriots on Mar 27, 2024 18:33:37 GMT -5
Jacoby Brisket. 1 year, $8m. Up to $12m with incentives. Seems curious. Most expensive brisket in the world!
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Post by DaPatriots on Mar 27, 2024 18:40:46 GMT -5
espn mock draft that has the Pats trading #3 to the Vikes for #11, #23 and a 2025 #1 to the Pats Pats roll with Jacobi and take Rattler for development OT, CB, WR That is a solid draft with a few subs. Jordan Travis or Joe Milton instead of Spencer. Jaheim Bell, Ben Sinnot, & Devin Culp instead of McMillan, Reiman and Oladapo
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Post by zenape on Mar 27, 2024 19:10:53 GMT -5
espn mock draft that has the Pats trading #3 to the Vikes for #11, #23 and a 2025 #1 to the Pats Pats roll with Jacobi and take Rattler for development OT, CB, WR 11 Joe Alt 23 Adonai Mitchell 34 Bo Nix 68 Ja'Tavion Sanders 103 Calen Bullock 137 Leonard Taylor 180 Javon Solomon 193 Isaac Guerendo 231 Dwight McGlothern I like mine better. But it is very easy to see how making that kind of trade with Minn can really flesh the team out with a whole new look and a good deal of potential.
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Post by johngrant on Mar 27, 2024 19:13:25 GMT -5
espn mock draft that has the Pats trading #3 to the Vikes for #11, #23 and a 2025 #1 to the Pats Pats roll with Jacobi and take Rattler for development OT, CB, WR That is a solid draft with a few subs. Jordan Travis or Joe Milton instead of Spencer. Jaheim Bell, Ben Sinnot, & Devin Culp instead of McMillan, Reiman and Oladapo Rattler is on the small side right? I’m done with the little QBs for a while. For every Purdy there’s 20 Zappes.
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Post by freediro on Mar 27, 2024 23:08:38 GMT -5
espn mock draft that has the Pats trading #3 to the Vikes for #11, #23 and a 2025 #1 to the Pats Pats roll with Jacobi and take Rattler for development OT, CB, WR 11 Joe Alt 23 Adonai Mitchell 34 Bo Nix 68 Ja'Tavion Sanders 103 Calen Bullock 137 Leonard Taylor 180 Javon Solomon 193 Isaac Guerendo 231 Dwight McGlothern I like mine better. But it is very easy to see how making that kind of trade with Minn can really flesh the team out with a whole new look and a good deal of potential. your mock is A LOT better, but man. I can’t get over us passing on a top 3 QB
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Post by ATJ on Mar 28, 2024 3:01:08 GMT -5
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Post by patslifer on Mar 28, 2024 6:52:56 GMT -5
espn mock draft that has the Pats trading #3 to the Vikes for #11, #23 and a 2025 #1 to the Pats Pats roll with Jacobi and take Rattler for development OT, CB, WR I could see the Pats doing something like this instead of picking at 3. Maybe it's me, but $8m for 1 year with incentives reaching $12m seems a lot for a backup QB (Brisket). Maybe I just haven't kept up with QB contracts but that seems like they are paying him to play a lot, especially with $4m in potential incentives. Who takes $4m in variable pay unless you have a damn good chance to hit it?
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 28, 2024 9:00:14 GMT -5
I could see the Pats doing something like this instead of picking at 3. Maybe it's me, but $8m for 1 year with incentives reaching $12m seems a lot for a backup QB (Brisket). Maybe I just haven't kept up with QB contracts but that seems like they are paying him to play a lot, especially with $4m in potential incentives. Who takes $4m in variable pay unless you have a damn good chance to hit it? I don’t mind the trade back idea, but beyond Fashanu that mock draft is pretty bad.
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Post by Brady2Welker47 on Mar 28, 2024 12:39:21 GMT -5
I agree with you on the importance of Tackle ...but this draft is deep at tackle. MHJ appears to be a generational type. Provided Pats pass on QB ...I would want MHJ What does that phrase - generational WR - mean? For us who are not very smart with words, please translate that into per season catches, yards and TDs that can be expected of the WR. Generational would imply that he as all the skills to be one of the best Wrs in this time era.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Mar 28, 2024 16:21:22 GMT -5
What does that phrase - generational WR - mean? For us who are not very smart with words, please translate that into per season catches, yards and TDs that can be expected of the WR. Generational would imply that he as all the skills to be one of the best Wrs in this time era. What I am trying to understand from you is how much of an impact generational WR would make on the team that it is worth a pick 3 overall. How is that different from a WR whom the Pats could pick up in Rd2 or Rd3? Your response to my questions did not forward the conversation towards more clarity. Obviously I am very skeptical of the value of having generational WR. There are also people on these boards like Muzz who see superstar WRs as SHOs. But I am open to the possibility that you have a perspective I have not considered, so I am asking where you are coming from. Ultimately, it all goes back to the incremental impact that only a generational QB can bring to a team and whether that is worth a R1P3. So I first wanted to understand what a generational WR is. Who are the generational WRs currently in the league? Have their teams won anything? Who are the generational WRs in recent past? Did they win anything? Megatron? What are the conditions that need to be satisfied for this generational WR to perform at a generational level? Would he have to have a generational QB throwing to him? Would his QB need a generational OT so the QB will have enough time to throw to him?
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Post by rkarp on Mar 28, 2024 16:28:13 GMT -5
I will simply take a couple of guys that can win one on one matchups against the defender, or draw double coverage most of a game, opening up opportunities for other players to take advantage of single coverage, or coverage mismatches like a LB covering a WR or RB.
we are entering year 4 with the Pats not having a player capable of any of that. we are in year 4 of needing the play call, the PL and the QB to be near perfect for the pass game to work. Mac's rookie year with Josh we saw some of that. otherwise, the offense has looked pathetic
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Mar 28, 2024 18:17:14 GMT -5
The Pats need receivers (incl TEs and RBs) who can help them dominate between the numbers. I do not think you need use even one Rd1 pick to get those.
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Post by Brady2Welker47 on Mar 29, 2024 8:42:58 GMT -5
Generational would imply that he as all the skills to be one of the best Wrs in this time era. What I am trying to understand from you is how much of an impact generational WR would make on the team that it is worth a pick 3 overall. How is that different from a WR whom the Pats could pick up in Rd2 or Rd3? Your response to my questions did not forward the conversation towards more clarity. Obviously I am very skeptical of the value of having generational WR. There are also people on these boards like Muzz who see superstar WRs as SHOs. But I am open to the possibility that you have a perspective I have not considered, so I am asking where you are coming from. Ultimately, it all goes back to the incremental impact that only a generational QB can bring to a team and whether that is worth a R1P3. So I first wanted to understand what a generational WR is. Who are the generational WRs currently in the league? Have their teams won anything? Who are the generational WRs in recent past? Did they win anything? Megatron? What are the conditions that need to be satisfied for this generational WR to perform at a generational level? Would he have to have a generational QB throwing to him? Would his QB need a generational OT so the QB will have enough time to throw to him? I'll start by saying at overall #3:I would prefer a QB. It's not every year where we will have such a high pick. In addition to that next year's QB crop not very deep. That said if Pats are on the clock, I would prefer them to either draft the best available player in this case MHJ or trade down. That is my preference. As for what is a generational player in this case - a wr. I would use Rice & Moss as the most recent examples of generational wrs. In addition MHJ comes from a football family, his football IQ, is more than likely very high! I for one do not use the word generational very often. From video, I've watched, from everything I've read it seems as though MHJ is a generational player. Nothing is a certainty but it's an educated guess. You asked Have teams with a generational WR won anything. If you don't have a decent to good QB no. As I said to open this response, I prefer the QB provided it's not a reach. You asked if I felt you needed a generational QB to get them the ball, the answer is no, but you need a competent QB. This brings me to your point of addressing the O line. To that I say O line is vital and lucky for us this draft is deep on Tackles which is a huge need fot us. I am not overlooking that. I would just rather take the best available if we pass on a QB and decide not to trade down. Can't wait for draft day. LGP!!!
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Post by section136 on Mar 29, 2024 9:19:29 GMT -5
Some thoughts... There are only 2 - maybe 3 - left tackles that project to be able to play significant snaps year one. Due to the number of teams with OL problems, those 3 players should be gone by pick #16. Alt should be gone by #5 and imo he's the only sure thing.
I don't believe there is a sure thing among the 2024 QB class. And I don't believe the 2025 QB class is as void of talent as some people believe. If they do choose a QB with #3 fans had better be prepared for frustration and more offensive struggles.
There are some really good WR's that will be available into the early 3rd round.
If this team is really as bad offensively as some here believe, this draft will not have a drastic impact on that fact in 2024.
If the above is true - then this team should focus this off season on building units that can control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
I still believe that the root of the offense's dysfunction last season was coaching and a patchwork oline that injuries exposed. No one guy made it suck and no one replacement will fix it.
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Post by rkarp on Mar 29, 2024 10:08:45 GMT -5
Some thoughts... There are only 2 - maybe 3 - left tackles that project to be able to play significant snaps year one. Due to the number of teams with OL problems, those 3 players should be gone by pick #16. Alt should be gone by #5 and imo he's the only sure thing. RK: respect your opinion, I would tweak your comment to "There are only 2 - maybe 3 - left tackles that should project to be able to play significant snaps year one". that said, many, many more could, and for teams like NE, would still present better options than the current players on the roster at OT. imo, Alt and Latham would step in to NE and be the best options at LT. Fashanu and Fuaga, both would as well, even though both might be better options at OG. with the need of so many teams at OT, I would assume they are plug and play at OT this season. Mims has not played a lot, but is still most likely a better option than what NE has on the roster, and if not day 1, more than likely games 4 and forward. Paul, Morgan, Logan, Sumataio, Fischer, Rosengarten all more than likely have a very good chance of being the best option at LT for the Pats, if not day 1, certainly at some point during season 1I don't believe there is a sure thing among the 2024 QB class. And I don't believe the 2025 QB class is as void of talent as some people believe. If they do choose a QB with #3 fans had better be prepared for frustration and more offensive struggles. RK: I could not agree more than your comment. CJ Stroud is the outlier. Young is the norm.
There are some really good WR's that will be available into the early 3rd round. RK: for me, Osborne, Pop, Bourne and even JuJu if he is on the team, operate better inside, middle of the field, short and intermediate throws. Thornton is alone on the outside boundaries better with the intermediate and deeper throws. thats the WR spot the Pats need help. can they get those WR's 3rd round and later? sure. but there are not that many of them that fill that outside need.
If this team is really as bad offensively as some here believe, this draft will not have a drastic impact on that fact in 2024. RK: depends on coaching, OL play, draft and WR/QB play improving over last season. otherwise the Vegas over/under 4.5 sounds about right
If the above is true - then this team should focus this off season on building units that can control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. RK: DT and CB are needs that get over looked with the enormous deficiencies on the offenseI still believe that the root of the offense's dysfunction last season was coaching and a patchwork oline that injuries exposed. No one guy made it suck and no one replacement will fix it. RK: injuries and rookies playing a lot. Sow improved and appears to have turned a corner. Andrews showed some life at the end of the seqson with a clean game or two. Mafi struggled all season. Strange struggled with injury and very uneven play. Onwenu still a question on his ability to stretch outside on running plays, which is why I assume they signed Gibson so early, to run outside. D Andres another year older. OL imo still a work in progress that is in need of great coachinggood post. fun to comment. thanks
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Post by section136 on Mar 29, 2024 14:16:58 GMT -5
Some thoughts... There are only 2 - maybe 3 - left tackles that project to be able to play significant snaps year one. Due to the number of teams with OL problems, those 3 players should be gone by pick #16. Alt should be gone by #5 and imo he's the only sure thing. RK: respect your opinion, I would tweak your comment to "There are only 2 - maybe 3 - left tackles that should project to be able to play significant snaps year one". that said, many, many more could, and for teams like NE, would still present better options than the current players on the roster at OT. imo, Alt and Latham would step in to NE and be the best options at LT. Fashanu and Fuaga, both would as well, even though both might be better options at OG. with the need of so many teams at OT, I would assume they are plug and play at OT this season. Mims has not played a lot, but is still most likely a better option than what NE has on the roster, and if not day 1, more than likely games 4 and forward. Paul, Morgan, Logan, Sumataio, Fischer, Rosengarten all more than likely have a very good chance of being the best option at LT for the Pats, if not day 1, certainly at some point during season 1I don't believe there is a sure thing among the 2024 QB class. And I don't believe the 2025 QB class is as void of talent as some people believe. If they do choose a QB with #3 fans had better be prepared for frustration and more offensive struggles. RK: I could not agree more than your comment. CJ Stroud is the outlier. Young is the norm.
There are some really good WR's that will be available into the early 3rd round. RK: for me, Osborne, Pop, Bourne and even JuJu if he is on the team, operate better inside, middle of the field, short and intermediate throws. Thornton is alone on the outside boundaries better with the intermediate and deeper throws. thats the WR spot the Pats need help. can they get those WR's 3rd round and later? sure. but there are not that many of them that fill that outside need.
If this team is really as bad offensively as some here believe, this draft will not have a drastic impact on that fact in 2024. RK: depends on coaching, OL play, draft and WR/QB play improving over last season. otherwise the Vegas over/under 4.5 sounds about right
If the above is true - then this team should focus this off season on building units that can control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. RK: DT and CB are needs that get over looked with the enormous deficiencies on the offenseI still believe that the root of the offense's dysfunction last season was coaching and a patchwork oline that injuries exposed. No one guy made it suck and no one replacement will fix it. RK: injuries and rookies playing a lot. Sow improved and appears to have turned a corner. Andrews showed some life at the end of the seqson with a clean game or two. Mafi struggled all season. Strange struggled with injury and very uneven play. Onwenu still a question on his ability to stretch outside on running plays, which is why I assume they signed Gibson so early, to run outside. D Andres another year older. OL imo still a work in progress that is in need of great coachinggood post. fun to comment. thanks Thanks for the response - some good stuff! Don't agree with everything you wrote but not strongly enough to get into it.....just details. We are furthest apart on the LT issue but I'm used to it - maybe I'm too old school. But I think we're absolutely in agreement on coaching and I'm cautiously optimistic on Peters being the right guy.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Mar 29, 2024 17:03:47 GMT -5
What I am trying to understand from you is how much of an impact generational WR would make on the team that it is worth a pick 3 overall. How is that different from a WR whom the Pats could pick up in Rd2 or Rd3? Your response to my questions did not forward the conversation towards more clarity. Obviously I am very skeptical of the value of having generational WR. There are also people on these boards like Muzz who see superstar WRs as SHOs. But I am open to the possibility that you have a perspective I have not considered, so I am asking where you are coming from. Ultimately, it all goes back to the incremental impact that only a generational QB can bring to a team and whether that is worth a R1P3. So I first wanted to understand what a generational WR is. Who are the generational WRs currently in the league? Have their teams won anything? Who are the generational WRs in recent past? Did they win anything? Megatron? What are the conditions that need to be satisfied for this generational WR to perform at a generational level? Would he have to have a generational QB throwing to him? Would his QB need a generational OT so the QB will have enough time to throw to him? I'll start by saying at overall #3:I would prefer a QB. It's not every year where we will have such a high pick. In addition to that next year's QB crop not very deep. That said if Pats are on the clock, I would prefer them to either draft the best available player in this case MHJ or trade down. That is my preference. I am confused by this. On one hand you say your preference is for them to pick a QB at 3. On the other hand, when the Pats are pn the clock, they should either pick best avalable player (I am assuming even if that means WR), or they trade down.
As for what is a generational player in this case - a wr. I would use Rice & Moss as the most recent examples of generational wrs. In addition MHJ comes from a football family, his football IQ, is more than likely very high! I for one do not use the word generational very often. From video, I've watched, from everything I've read it seems as though MHJ is a generational player. Nothing is a certainty but it's an educated guess. The examples you bring up are from so long ago, do they even have any relevance for today's NFL? Do you believe the NFL today is not different from Rice's time? Can't you come up with examples of ones who are currently in the NFL?You asked Have teams with a generational WR won anything. If you don't have a decent to good QB no. As I said to open this response, I prefer the QB provided it's not a reach. You asked if I felt you needed a generational QB to get them the ball, the answer is no, but you need a competent QB. This brings me to your point of addressing the O line. To that I say O line is vital and lucky for us this draft is deep on Tackles which is a huge need fot us. I am not overlooking that. I would just rather take the best available if we pass on a QB and decide not to trade down. Can't wait for draft day. LGP!!! I still do not see the logic around the fixation over picking the so-called generational WR at pick 3.Thank you for the effort to respond, but you did not address my main question about impact. Or at least I am not sure how you addressed it. I have additional comments above.
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