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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 26, 2024 12:38:40 GMT -5
Something to watch for when NE is on the clock tonight... -"The Patriots had "preliminary trade discussions" with the 49ers regarding wide receiver Deebo Samuel prior to the 2024 NFL Draft..."
-"The 49ers are "believed to be seeking" second- and third-round picks in return for Samuel, according to Silver, who reports a trade could materialize either before the start of Friday's second round or when a trade partner is on the clock."www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/patriots-deebo-samuel-trade-49ers/607563/
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 26, 2024 12:53:22 GMT -5
Deebo's injury history of late would concern me, but that guy has heart. For the right price I'd take him in a heartbeat. He and Edelman got their hearts from the same factory.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 26, 2024 13:08:58 GMT -5
Something to watch for when NE is on the clock tonight... -"The Patriots had "preliminary trade discussions" with the 49ers regarding wide receiver Deebo Samuel prior to the 2024 NFL Draft..."
-"The 49ers are "believed to be seeking" second- and third-round picks in return for Samuel, according to Silver, who reports a trade could materialize either before the start of Friday's second round or when a trade partner is on the clock."www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/patriots-deebo-samuel-trade-49ers/607563/You know my love for Deebo. That is who I wanted us to draft in that draft. But, he's been used and abused and what are we getting now? Based on what Wolf said, "we need someone with speed on the outside", I don't think Deebo fits this mold at all. And, I wouldn't want him as my #1, carrying the load for this team. That will just wear him down even more. As much as I love Deebo I would pass on this trade.
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Post by thehub on Apr 26, 2024 13:09:46 GMT -5
Deebo's injury history of late would concern me, but that guy has heart. For the right price I'd take him in a heartbeat. He and Edelman got their hearts from the same factory. Great player and should have been drafted by BB. I would rather stick and pick our guy and let the young WR grow with Maye. Then spend money elsewhere.
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Post by squishthefish on Apr 26, 2024 13:12:30 GMT -5
Deebo's injury history of late would concern me, but that guy has heart. For the right price I'd take him in a heartbeat. He and Edelman got their hearts from the same factory. He is 28 going on 29 and has cap hits of 28 and 24 million. Hard pass on Deebo. The team isn’t a superbowl contender and has many holes to fill and they want a second and third rounder for him and their other wr wants a massive deal. They only have 6 mil left on cap space and need to sign their own draft picks. No reason to help the 49ers with their cap problems so they can resign their younger disgruntled wr.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 26, 2024 13:18:56 GMT -5
A second and a 3rd is a lot . No thank you. His last two season have been meh. 49ers are trying to get some sucker to bite.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 13:21:16 GMT -5
If it was for our 3rd round pick, I would consider it. But like others said, we might be getting a Deebo out of his prime now and certainly wouldn't ideally be a number 1 on a good team. The cap hit doesn't bother me too much because we have the space and I believe its only 2 years left on his deal. But for 34? No chance. I'd rather stick and draft McConkey or AD Mitchell (or preferably a good tackle)
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 26, 2024 13:22:49 GMT -5
If it was for our 3rd round pick, I would consider it. But like others said, we might be getting a Deebo out of his prime now and certainly wouldn't ideally be a number 1 on a good team. The cap hit doesn't bother me too much because we have the space and I believe its only 2 years left on his deal. But for 34? No chance. I'd rather stick and draft McConkey or AD Mitchell I would do it for aiyuk but not deebo meaning number 34.
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Post by squishthefish on Apr 26, 2024 13:24:49 GMT -5
If it was for our 3rd round pick, I would consider it. But like others said, we might be getting a Deebo out of his prime now and certainly wouldn't ideally be a number 1 on a good team. The cap hit doesn't bother me too much because we have the space and I believe its only 2 years left on his deal. But for 34? No chance. I'd rather stick and draft McConkey or AD Mitchell (or preferably a good tackle) The 49ers painted themselves in a corner with their cap room and drafting a wr in round 1. It announces to the league that they need to move Deebo or aiyuk. 2025 has them over the cap already with just 38 players signed and while they have 2026 cap room that may change with a purdy extension and aiyuk.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 26, 2024 13:30:38 GMT -5
I would offer 34 and 68 to the Texans for 42 and 59 if the Pats don't love anyone at 34. I think that gives us a chance to grab a good receiver and tackle. By 68, I think most of the top tier tackle prospects will be gone
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 26, 2024 13:37:37 GMT -5
Deebo's injury history of late would concern me, but that guy has heart. For the right price I'd take him in a heartbeat. He and Edelman got their hearts from the same factory. He is 28 going on 29 and has cap hits of 28 and 24 million. Hard pass on Deebo. The team isn’t a superbowl contender and has many holes to fill and they want a second and third rounder for him and their other wr wants a massive deal. They only have 6 mil left on cap space and need to sign their own draft picks. No reason to help the 49ers with their cap problems so they can resign their younger disgruntled wr. No, hence my statement "for the right price". Could be some dead money there, prorated signing bonuses, etc. Don't know how much is guaranteed or they could outright cut him and save money. I wouldn't assume his cap hit is what we'd have to pay him. I'm sure it isn't. Probably not even close to that.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 26, 2024 13:58:02 GMT -5
5th round pick and the Niners eat half the remaining salary. Even then I’d have to think about it.
I don’t know when, but at some point folks are going to realize receivers are no different than running backs. Expendable and plentiful.
At 34 it’s BPA for me. Tackle has been picked over pretty good but maybe a tackle. Or maybe that white corner. DeJean? Jason Sehorn 2.0?
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Post by squishthefish on Apr 26, 2024 14:12:36 GMT -5
5th round pick and the Niners eat half the remaining salary. Even then I’d have to think about it. I don’t know when, but at some point folks are going to realize receivers are no different than running backs. Expendable and plentiful. At 34 it’s BPA for me. Tackle has been picked over pretty good but maybe a tackle. Or maybe that white corner. DeJean? Jason Sehorn 2.0? I’d like to see the pats doing what the thunder did in the nba. If you aren’t going to compete and have a huge amount of cap room, take on a bad contract that is either expiring or has 1 additional year left and get a draft pick in next years draft for making that happen. The pick would based based on the cap hit and the years left on the deal compared to the top players at their position. Over 20 mil on a deal with 1 year left and not a top 10 player (non qb’s) = next years second. Same player on a deal that expires at year end = next years 3rd. Some contenders may take this option to free up space for fa, trades, or extensions. The team has to get to the threshold and has so much cap space currently that this could be an effective way this year and next year to get additional picks and still rebuild. Also, there are some deals that I wouldn’t consider even if there were first rounders involved (Watson, kyler).
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Post by freediro on Apr 26, 2024 14:24:05 GMT -5
I’d do it for a 4th rounder
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Post by muzwell on Apr 26, 2024 15:04:18 GMT -5
5th round pick and the Niners eat half the remaining salary. Even then I’d have to think about it. I don’t know when, but at some point folks are going to realize receivers are no different than running backs. Expendable and plentiful. At 34 it’s BPA for me. Tackle has been picked over pretty good but maybe a tackle. Or maybe that white corner. DeJean? Jason Sehorn 2.0? I’d like to see the pats doing what the thunder did in the nba. If you aren’t going to compete and have a huge amount of cap room, take on a bad contract that is either expiring or has 1 additional year left and get a draft pick in next years draft for making that happen. The pick would based based on the cap hit and the years left on the deal compared to the top players at their position. Over 20 mil on a deal with 1 year left and not a top 10 player (non qb’s) = next years second. Same player on a deal that expires at year end = next years 3rd. Some contenders may take this option to free up space for fa, trades, or extensions. The team has to get to the threshold and has so much cap space currently that this could be an effective way this year and next year to get additional picks and still rebuild. Also, there are some deals that I wouldn’t consider even if there were first rounders involved (Watson, kyler). I like that idea. That's what Detroit did with Goff, basically. Except it went unexpectedly well so they had their cake and ate it, too. I can't remember who it was, but someone did something like that with Osweiler. Took him and his cap hit off Denver's hands for a pick. Apparently, Denver was unaware that the cap isn't real... But, yeah the Pats are in a position to do that.
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Post by garytx on Apr 26, 2024 15:38:13 GMT -5
The team is trying to get younger and this trade doesn't make any sense. Deebo is spent. He would be a nice addition but at what cost? A 2nd rounder is ridiculous. If you're helping them to unload it would be a low draft pick on the trade. Else forget about it.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 26, 2024 15:45:15 GMT -5
Deebo is a luxury for a team that can compete to win next year, the Patriots are not that team.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 26, 2024 17:47:44 GMT -5
many people above nailed it. in no way is deebo samuel a fit for this team right now at the state they are in. sure, as muzz suggested, you can get him for a 5th or 6th rd pick with the niners eating a good portion of the salary, then, sure go for it... even then, i still id rather have them use that 5th rd pick as part of a trade up with 68 and move into the 2nd rd again tonight and come away with a wr and ot in rd 2.
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Post by fisher on Apr 26, 2024 19:26:23 GMT -5
Deebo is often injured and probably o; downside
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Post by paulk on Apr 27, 2024 7:07:46 GMT -5
At #37 the Patriots drafted a guy who compares best to Deebo. He isn't spectacular at anything in particular but he's versatile, which means he can target a defense's weaknesses.
The first three picks are all at positions where players really need time to get NFL-ready, so don't go off with stars in your eyes just yet. They'll start slow or else they'll start on the bench holding a clipboard.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 27, 2024 7:29:19 GMT -5
At #37 the Patriots drafted a guy who compares best to Deebo. He isn't spectacular at anything in particular but he's versatile, which means he can target a defense's weaknesses.
The first three picks are all at positions where players really need time to get NFL-ready, so don't go off with stars in your eyes just yet. They'll start slow or else they'll start on the bench holding a clipboard.
The kid that compares best to Deebo in this draft was Legette. Polk is Kendrick Bourne with better hands.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 27, 2024 8:41:06 GMT -5
The kid that compares best to Deebo in this draft was Legette. Polk is Kendrick Bourne with better hands. I'd say the kid that best compared to Deebo was Malachi Corley... he was taken with the first pick in the third round. I agree with the second part, Polk looks like he might become Bourne, Osborn or Juju if the best outcome occurs. In the second round... terrible pick.
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