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Post by philskiw on Apr 30, 2016 11:09:36 GMT -5
Who do we grab first, Boehringer or Cardonia?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 30, 2016 11:12:37 GMT -5
Update... Goodell is still smarmy and slimy I've called him a f'n C, every time I've seen him on the TV screen this weekend... it's immature, but it makes me feel better, and F him. haha
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 30, 2016 11:13:10 GMT -5
Who do we grab first, Boehringer or Cardonia? I'll take Cardona.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 30, 2016 11:16:05 GMT -5
Would fans have been happier if NE took Connor Cook at 91, instead of Brissett? If so, why?
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Post by philskiw on Apr 30, 2016 11:17:08 GMT -5
Not me. He's giving up 25 lbs already
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 30, 2016 11:17:54 GMT -5
Would fan's have been happier if NE took Connor Cook at 91, instead of Brissett? If so, why? I'm guessing for most of them it doesn't matter and they simply do not want a QB that early?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 30, 2016 11:22:22 GMT -5
Jacksonville just stole Sheldon Day with pick 103.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 30, 2016 11:22:55 GMT -5
QB evaluation is tricky if you're not in the room with the kid asking specific questions when breaking down film. I have zero problem with the pick especially when Caserio said they were taking a QB regardless of TB's situation.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 30, 2016 11:24:55 GMT -5
QB evaluation is tricky if you're not in the room with the kid asking specific questions when breaking down film. I have zero problem with the pick especially when Caserio said they were taking a QB regardless of TB's situation. They're building some good young talent on the defensive side of the ball to go with the young talent on O. If they get any kind of good O-line play this year they will be a fun team to watch.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 30, 2016 11:27:24 GMT -5
QB evaluation is tricky if you're not in the room with the kid asking specific questions when breaking down film. I have zero problem with the pick especially when Caserio said they were taking a QB regardless of TB's situation. The pick doesn't excite me, in that there's little/no chance of any instant production/contribution. With that said, QB is king in this sport, and with NE seldom/never having a top 10 pick, they'll never have a shot at the "elite" options... so they need to maximize their opportunities, hoping that one will stick. Brady is not going to play for ever, and it's not like there's a clear succession plan in place. From that perspective, the pick makes complete sense.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 30, 2016 11:27:59 GMT -5
Tavon Young to Baltimore is a fantastic fit.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Apr 30, 2016 11:54:26 GMT -5
I don't think anyone—including BB—knows the future at QB now. All he knows is he has an aging starter who is likely suspended for four games. He needs two back ups in the short term because of the likely suspension. He also needs a potential future replacement for the aging starter who, let's face it, could be done at any moment. Finally, he knows that great—heck, even passably good—QBs are notoriously hard to find. He's got one guy in the back-up role now. Does he put all his eggs in that one basket or, particularly given the immediate back-up need, does he bring in one more guy? BB must have liked Brisset enough to go ahead and let him be that one more guy. I'm okay with that. In fact, I tend to think it's smart even if Brisset turns out to be a complete and utter bust. You don't draft a backup to a backup for 4 game in the 3rd round. That is the worst argument I've heard about why you draft a QB in the 3rd. It's completely illogical to draft a backup QB for 4 games in the 3rd The success rate of third rounders is vastly overrated by draftniks, I'm afraid. And I'm not sure you read my whole post. They aren't drafting him just for four games. They're drafting him to see if he might have a longer term role too.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 30, 2016 11:58:51 GMT -5
Doug Kyed @dougkyed agoraHá 15 segundos
Malcolm Mitchell practiced at cornerback at Georgia. Worked out in the pre-draft process at that position, as well. Great WR, though.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Apr 30, 2016 12:00:32 GMT -5
I'll just add that from what I've read Brissett may not be a bad guy to have if you are forced to go to a green rookie in a game. At least he's big, fast, and strong with big hands. And he seems to be good at "dink and dunk" kind of passing. He may not be making big plays, but he may be able to protect the ball well and help keep the short game alive.
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Post by zenape on Apr 30, 2016 12:10:08 GMT -5
I expect some of those 6th rounders we have to get packaged up, but I'd be surprised if it is to move up today. More than likely it will be to get a pick next year, where we are very lean considering the number of picks we have currently scheduled for 2017. Don't forget, we lose our 4th round draft pick next year too because of this heavy handed BS Goody hit us with.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 30, 2016 12:16:26 GMT -5
I expect some of those 6th rounders we have to get packaged up, but I'd be surprised if it is to move up today. More than likely it will be to get a pick next year, where we are very lean considering the number of picks we have currently scheduled for 2017. Don't forget, we lose our 4th round draft pick next year too because of this heavy handed BS Goody hit us with. Trading a few is highly possible, but only (2) of them can actually be traded.
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Post by homefield on Apr 30, 2016 12:22:50 GMT -5
Jacksonville just stole Sheldon Day with pick 103. Damn. Jags D is going to be good! I think they've had the best draft so far
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Post by homefield on Apr 30, 2016 12:24:12 GMT -5
I'll just add that from what I've read Brissett may not be a bad guy to have if you are forced to go to a green rookie in a game. At least he's big, fast, and strong with big hands. And he seems to be good at "dink and dunk" kind of passing. He may not be making big plays, but he may be able to protect the ball well and help keep the short game alive. Good points. From what I read he's very good with pocket awareness and buying time
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Apr 30, 2016 12:37:38 GMT -5
I'll just add that from what I've read Brissett may not be a bad guy to have if you are forced to go to a green rookie in a game. At least he's big, fast, and strong with big hands. And he seems to be good at "dink and dunk" kind of passing. He may not be making big plays, but he may be able to protect the ball well and help keep the short game alive. Good points. From what I read he's very good with pocket awareness and buying time And if you think about, if Garoppolo is starting and goes down, the third QB on the roster is mostly there to not lose the ball. Brissett might be perfect for that. Let's say that Garoppolo really does go down. Brissett will finish the game and that week, BB will be on the phone to hire the veteran back up a lot of people want. He just doesn't see much of a need to keep that veteran on the roster until he's really needed.
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Post by zenape on Apr 30, 2016 12:38:25 GMT -5
I'll just add that from what I've read Brissett may not be a bad guy to have if you are forced to go to a green rookie in a game. At least he's big, fast, and strong with big hands. And he seems to be good at "dink and dunk" kind of passing. He may not be making big plays, but he may be able to protect the ball well and help keep the short game alive. That was my thinking as well. He should be able to play short and smart very well, and let us not forget our entire offense used to be based around that type of playstyle. I know it's not a popular pick, because it isn't sexy and we already have TB and JG, but it may very well wind up being a smart pick. BB is looking at this entire team, looking at chinks in the armor, and looking at the future and he saw this as insurance. I for one am not going to second guess him on this considering our current roster and some big looming questions and potential problems in the QB department.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 14:43:21 GMT -5
Would fans have been happier if NE took Connor Cook at 91, instead of Brissett? If so, why? Not me. In my mind, it only makes sense to pick up a backup QB on day 2 if the QB clearly/unquestionably shows potential to be better than JG -- the backup they already have.
To me Brissett is definitely not better than JG. Cook, questionable. I like Cook has shown a stronger arm than Brissett's. However, during his last few games, he showed that he can get rattled, and he forgets all his fundamentals when gets to that point. So to answer your question... NO, I would not have been happier if they picked Cook.
And I did recognize that they may need to pickup a backup to the backup. That said, IMO with the amount of speculation you have to make on Brissett, based on how he looked in college and his stats, he is tight now no better candidate than say Coker.
Don't get me wrong, I am not upset this year. I have been way more upset in the past. I just am not jumping for joy. The best way to describe my reaction... meh.
Obviously, there is something going on in BB's mind that everyone here doesn't understand. I don't think it is a coincidence that they picked up a QB and G from the same school -- NC State. It makes me wonder if BB's done picking up NC State kids. He has shown a tendency to like a particular school each year. He has the picks to take on one more NC State kid.
David Grinnage? 25 rec for 290 yds and 3 TDs. In other words... another prospect that would make go meh. But I won't be surprised he gets picked up. Shadrach Thornton? He's a very talented RB who does everything (at worst case can be a very good third down back). He is also a nutcase with a lot of issues in the past, so I would be as surprised if they did not pick him up as if they did (Dang BB is really confusing me).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 14:46:31 GMT -5
Doug Kyed @dougkyed agoraHá 15 segundos Malcolm Mitchell practiced at cornerback at Georgia. Worked out in the pre-draft process at that position, as well. Great WR, though. Finally! One guy I can get excited about.
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Post by stinkman on Apr 30, 2016 14:56:54 GMT -5
I have not seen Mitchell play a lot. But what from everyone says he has a great shot at making the team. When I go to the training camp in late July hopefully he looks good. I like the fact BB got his 4 th RD pick back for 2017... F - off Goodell
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Post by patriotfan74 on Apr 30, 2016 15:18:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 15:31:55 GMT -5
There is always a stay until they decide they don't want to hear it. Because they can't give it back if they do decide to hear it after. Muz you don't draft a QB in the 3rd because you need another backup for 4 games.... that is backwards logic. You sign a FA QB for 4 games not draft one in the 3rd. You draft one because you know Garp is gone after 2017 much like Mallett was when they drafted Garp. The parallels are impossible to deny I don't think anyone—including BB—knows the future at QB now. All he knows is he has an aging starter who is likely suspended for four games. He needs two back ups in the short term because of the likely suspension. He also needs a potential future replacement for the aging starter who, let's face it, could be done at any moment. Finally, he knows that great—heck, even passably good—QBs are notoriously hard to find. He's got one guy in the back-up role now. Does he put all his eggs in that one basket or, particularly given the immediate back-up need, does he bring in one more guy? BB must have liked Brisset enough to go ahead and let him be that one more guy. I'm okay with that. In fact, I tend to think it's smart even if Brisset turns out to be a complete and utter bust. Didn't we once have a board lunatic who said that Edelman was our #3 QB?
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