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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 24, 2016 7:15:13 GMT -5
Morning Boys... per suggestions on BDC, I've moved the thread here, prior to it getting nuked on the BDC side.
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Post by quagmire3 on Apr 24, 2016 7:18:55 GMT -5
Welcome MB! Glad u made it over here and look forward to some talk leading up to the draft.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 24, 2016 7:19:18 GMT -5
Unfortunate you can't move the entire thread here. Even though I rarely posted in it I read it on a regular basis. The draft thread was always the most educational/informative thread on BDC.
EDIT: Although I guess you could post link in here?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 24, 2016 7:21:06 GMT -5
Welcome MB! Glad u made it over here and look forward to some talk leading up to the draft. Hey man! Good to see so many familiar faces/names are already here!
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 24, 2016 7:22:34 GMT -5
Unfortunate you can't move the entire thread here. Even though I rarely posted in it I read it on a regular basis. The draft thread was always the most educational/informative thread on BDC. Thanks man... it's a lot of fun. I agree, a lot of lost info/dialogue, but hopefully they leave it up until the draft, as a reference.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 24, 2016 7:53:47 GMT -5
Hey guys. I posted a mock on this forum as a different thread just to test it. I'll move it to this thread as well
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 24, 2016 8:04:08 GMT -5
It's officially draft week!
With that said, barring trades (which are likely), below is what I'm feeling for day 2:
Rd 2 Sheldon Day DT Notre Dame Rd 2 Christian Westerman OG Arizona State Rd 3 KeiVarae Russell CB Notre Dame Rd 3 Kyle Murphy OT Stanford
You build up both trenches and hedge against losing Butler or Ryan. Day should quickly join the DT rotation and provide the disruption that they lose with the release of Easley, Westerman could be a day 1 starter on the interior and give them their best OG since Mankins, Russell (who I also like in Rd 2) could quickly become your #3 CB (and eventual starer) and Murphy could server as a swing option, while he gains strength, and potentially take over for Vollmer, should they choose to move on after the season. Build depth and fill holes, before they become holes.
I know RB remains a "need", but I feel like they can fill that on Day 3, though it certainly realistic that they take one on Day 2). I'd also love to see them target Shepard and Miller.
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Post by Shelly on Apr 24, 2016 8:12:24 GMT -5
I think they trade one or more of they round 2 or 3 picks into next year.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 24, 2016 8:15:53 GMT -5
Patriots Mock With a Week till the Draft...
60). Kendall Fuller CB VA Tech
Fuller is a really talented CB who falls to the late 2nd because he tore his meniscus last season. First Rnd talent coming off of a knee injury, right up Belichick's alley. The good news is that his knee surgery was relatively minor and from all reports his medical checks went well. CB is a big need in the near future for NE. Fuller is a great fit
NE trades 61, 204, & 250 to CHI for 2017 3rd & 6th, 2016 4th (106) & 5th (150)
NE trades 91 & 106 (via CHI) to TB for 74 & 197
74) Le'Raven Clark OT TX Tech
Clark is an extremely talented OT. He has great size, length, and athleticism. He's available in the 3rd because he is a real project. His technique is flat out poor at times. NE has to believe that Scar can correct his technique issues if they make the pick. They also have the luxury of giving him time to develop, since he won't need to start right away. This could potentially be a steal.
96) Jaylon Smith LB Notre Dame
Total wild card pick here. Smith was maybe the best player in this entire class before suffering a gruesome knee injury in ND's bowl game. Normally a torn ACL wouldn't knock a guy of his caliber too far down the draft board, but his injury goes beyond torn ligaments. From all reports, the nerves aren't healing properly and he will miss at least the 2016 season, and may never be the same player, or for that matter even play again. This could be a wasted pick. But it could also be a home run if his knee does in fact heal well over the next 18 months. His health is the great unknown, but if NE's doctors think that there is even a chance that he can recover then he would be worth a risk at this point with a 3rd Rnd Comp pick.
NE trades 150 (via CHI) & 196 to CAR for 129 & 252
129) Hassan Ridgeway DT Texas
This would be a terrific value pick. There's a good chance that Ridgeway goes way higher than this, but with a ton of quality DTs in this draft some guys will certainly fall. Ridgeway is a candidate to slide because his 2015 production wasn't great. He is a very talented DT, though, and would fill in nicely into Easley's role. Pairing him with college teammate Malcom Brown also makes a lot of sense.
197) Matt Ioannidis DT Temple
Here's another good DT who may slide due to the sheer depth of this position in this draft. Ioannidis is a true leader and a smart, versatile player. He lacks the athleticism of some of of the DTs in this class, but has great strength and is just a flat out good football player. Belichick would love to get him at this point of the draft.
208) DeMarcus Robinson WR Florida
Big time gamble here, but BB is a bit of a gambler. Robinson is a true talent. He was very highly recruited out of HS, and showed flashes of brilliance at UF. His run-after-the-catch skills are special. Talent-wise, he's among the best of the WRs in this class. Of course there are major red-flags for him to be available late 6th, though. Multiple drug suspensions and he was kicked off the team at Florida. Gator players haven't been good to the Pats, but if BB and Co feel Comfortable enough to take a chance on Robinson at this point, he would be an interesting addition.
214) Daniel Lasco RB Cal
Lasco is a super athletic player. He tested off the charts on pretty much everything. Coming from Cal it's easy to compare him to Vereen, but I think Lasco is a little more of a runner and Vereen is a little better receiving. Lasco isn't the power-back that most of us crave, but he is very good value here.
221) Keenan Reynolds RB/WR Navy
Reynolds is a gadget guy at this point, but I think his eventual NFL position may be slot receiver. Similar project to Edelman coming out of college. He may or may not stick, but he is a very good athlete and a smart, disciplined player. BB would obviously love the NAVY ties.
243) Shawn Oakman DE Baylor
This pick may raise a few eyebrows. Oakman is the poster-boy for a falling talent. This time a year ago, many viewed him as a 1st Rnd pick. At first glance he looks like a beast. 6'7" DE with a solid frame who can move well. The problem is, he has a sexual assault charge hanging over his head. BB and Co would REALLY have to do their homework here. If the alleged assault charge appears to be something that he can overcome, maybe they take a shot here. Oakman has other issues, too, that make him late Rnd kid. He needs to improve his lower body strength and play more disciplined. There are plenty of issues to sort through with Oakman, but if the coaching staff is comfortable taking a chance on him the talent is there. A DE with length is needed after Jones was traded. Oakman is an intriguing name.
252) Jake Rudock QB Michigan
Under the Radar QB prospect, but a smart kid who wants to succeed. Drafting a QB, even late, is smart. Adding a late Rnd QB from Michigan has worked for BB before, might as well try again.
Priority UDFA
Peyton Barber RB Auburn
at 5'11" 225, Barber is a bigger RB who is good enough to come in and compete for a spot. The idea here is to add enough to get through the 2016 season with good RB depth because the 2017 draft is really looking like it will be loaded with quality RBs.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 24, 2016 8:16:41 GMT -5
I think they trade one or more of they round 2 or 3 picks into next year. Makes a lot of sense, considering they only have 5/6 picks in the 2017 draft as things stand today.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 24, 2016 8:22:39 GMT -5
Wazz, I'd have no problem with that haul, though IDK if Oakman will be in play, due to his pending allegations of sexual assault. I also don't know if they'd be willing to pull the trigger on another Gator with off the field questions, but there's no doubt that the class is packed with talent/upside.
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Post by quagmire3 on Apr 24, 2016 8:26:02 GMT -5
Wazz, I like your picks. On BDC I started a thread wondering if Jaylon Smith might drop to beginning of 2nd round and most everyone disagreed with me stating no way he falls below top 15. I'm with you though, would like to see it.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 24, 2016 8:33:42 GMT -5
Wazz, I like your picks. On BDC I started a thread wondering if Jaylon Smith might drop to beginning of 2nd round and most everyone disagreed with me stating no way he falls below top 15. I'm with you though, would like to see it. If he was healthy, I think he's a no question Top 15 pick, but with him out for the entire 2016 season, I think Day 2 is his ceiling at this point.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 24, 2016 8:34:59 GMT -5
Wazz, I'd have no problem with that haul, though IDK if Oakman will be in play, due to his pending allegations of sexual assault.f I also don't know if they'd be willing to pull the trigger on another Gator with off the field questions, but there's no doubt that the class is packed with talent/upside. Yeah, I have them gambling a little bit in the later rounds with Oakman and Robinson. Both talented guys with plenty of baggage. The Patriots scouting department would have to really be comfortable with either guy to bring them in, but the payoff could potentially be big as well. NE has taken some later round risks before (Dennard)
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Post by wazzu on Apr 24, 2016 8:36:37 GMT -5
Wazz, I like your picks. On BDC I started a thread wondering if Jaylon Smith might drop to beginning of 2nd round and most everyone disagreed with me stating no way he falls below top 15. I'm with you though, would like to see it. At them time I think I was one of those people who told you he wouldn't fall too far. lol. The more I hear about his knee, the worse it sounds. He would be a huge gamble even late 3rd, but I would understand the pick and support it.
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Post by patseng on Apr 24, 2016 10:15:29 GMT -5
Wazz, I like your picks. On BDC I started a thread wondering if Jaylon Smith might drop to beginning of 2nd round and most everyone disagreed with me stating no way he falls below top 15. I'm with you though, would like to see it. The problem is if healthy isn't a big concern than no chance he drops out of the 1st, however, if health is a concern he's going to drop a ton. If his health is that big f a concern I wouldn't want to touch him until day 3 honestly and from all reports it might be worse off than what we first thought.
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Post by mellymel6 on Apr 24, 2016 10:24:32 GMT -5
Wazz, I'd have no problem with that haul, though IDK if Oakman will be in play, due to his pending allegations of sexual assault. I also don't know if they'd be willing to pull the trigger on another Gator with off the field questions, but there's no doubt that the class is packed with talent/upside. I read wazz's projected draft and said, heck yeah, with the same doubts about Oakman for the same reasons, of course, but I understand wazz's reasoning completely. If the kid is exonnerated completely, great, but you take a great risk - if we have a pick late and you hear something positive about the case, who knows, although, Baylor has had numerous kids in this specific type of trouble lately, so something is not right with that program.....just sayin', and it's not confined to the football program..... HOWEVER...when I saw my man Ionnidis from Temple on the list I was sold.... This guy is the 2nd coming of Derek Wolfe with the right coaching and weight room work...he's a warrior with a non-stop motor...I'd love to see him on this team...period. He's going to play in the NFL for a long time.
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Post by mellymel6 on Apr 24, 2016 10:30:46 GMT -5
They are still progressing with knees more and more each year...in Europe and here, the surgical advances are incredible...now they are "curing" MCL injuries in young athletes by "regrowing MCL's" completely, not through surgery..they did that here in Boston.....it takes almost a year, but it's natural regrowth through blood cells and fiber attchement and is as strong as the original...amazing stuff is going on....so there is some speculation Smith may have to sit out an entire year to get his knees right, but that he might return to FULL HEALTH!
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Post by wazzu on Apr 24, 2016 10:37:02 GMT -5
Wazz, I like your picks. On BDC I started a thread wondering if Jaylon Smith might drop to beginning of 2nd round and most everyone disagreed with me stating no way he falls below top 15. I'm with you though, would like to see it. The problem is if healthy isn't a big concern than no chance he drops out of the 1st, however, if health is a concern he's going to drop a ton. If his health is that big f a concern I wouldn't want to touch him until day 3 honestly and from all reports it might be worse off than what we first thought. This is sound logic. If it's bad enough to drop him into late 3rd Rnd, then it's pretty bad and could easily be a wasted pick. However, big picture, NE is pretty loaded right now and I think they can afford to take that gamble if they are in position.
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Post by graveltenfour on Apr 24, 2016 10:47:55 GMT -5
Very nice.
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Post by joepatsfan111 on Apr 24, 2016 11:01:10 GMT -5
What does everyone think of Jaylen Smith? Personally I'm not at all against BB grabbing this guy at 60-61 if he's there (which mocks shown him falling to the 3rd). I know it's a risk but if this kid pans out....
Hightower, Smith, Collins- Ew good
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 24, 2016 11:45:28 GMT -5
RE: Jaylon Smith
I liken his situation to that of Ifo Ekpre-Olomu last year. He's a Rd 1 talent that's at or near the top of his positional group, but with medicals that bring concerns to his long-term status. Now I don't know how Smith's injury compares to IEO's, but the latter did drop to the 7th round last year and it's already known that Smith will miss all of 2016. I'm certainly not opposed to BB taking a chance on him, as he's an elite athlete and by all accounts a great kid off the field, but without knowing his long-term prognosis, it's tough for me to state where I'd be comfortable picking him.
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Post by APpats21 on Apr 24, 2016 11:47:20 GMT -5
What does everyone think of Jaylen Smith? Personally I'm not at all against BB grabbing this guy at 60-61 if he's there (which mocks shown him falling to the 3rd). I know it's a risk but if this kid pans out.... Hightower, Smith, Collins- Ew good I would try to trade back one of our seconds for a 3rd and whatever else you can get to grab him. I don't think he lasts until our first 3rd but he's definitely worth a gamble in the 3rd round.
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Post by joepatsfan111 on Apr 24, 2016 11:56:19 GMT -5
I would try to trade back one of our seconds for a 3rd and whatever else you can get to grab him. I don't think he lasts until our first 3rd but he's definitely worth a gamble in the 3rd round. I would be all for that too as long as BB knows the kid will be there when we trade back. Right now everyone is saying he's going to fall to the 3rd but in the end I think his potential and talent level to too high for teams to let a guy that was once top 5 out of round 2. Someone will take the risk hopefully it's us
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