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Post by TFB12 on Dec 10, 2017 21:16:20 GMT -5
There are so many different things that can skew your data and make your argument totally bogus. I’ll give you a few and then use an example to blow the crap out of your argument. Sure, if all teams played against all the conferences year after year then your data would be able to accurately prove what conferences were the strongest and weakest... but they don’t. Each conference plays two different conferences a year plus two teams from two different conferences. How the hell can you use those numbers to support your argument?? You can’t. Your argument is blown to shit right there. Let me just go a bit further... I just randomly picked a year... 2012 The AFC East All played the AFC South. Jets went 2-2, Bills went 1-3 and Dolphins went 1-3. They all played The NFC West. Jets went 2-2, Dolphins went 2-2 and the Bills 1-3. So right off the bat in 2012 the AFC East is worse than the 2 divisions that they all went head to head in. But even though that favors my argument, it’s just a plain mess and not a very accurate way to try and prove your theory let alone any theory. Sorry bud, but your theory is totally bogus. Flat out bogus. This has to be the dumbest way to try and prove the argument. The goal is to win Super Bowls. To get to the super bowl you gotta get to the playoffs. The Bills Jets and Dolphins have made the playoffs 4 times COMBINED in the last 10 years. That is worse than any other conference in the NFL. PERIOD! No debate about it. That’s weak sauce dude. Go back to the drawing board, stop trying to baffle us with your bullshit because it doesn’t work. I would say nice try but it isn't. Over 15 years those things average out. Fifteen years is a large enough sample. The point is clear as day. When you look at how your also rans measure up against all the others, and that is done by out of division games,then you know where you stand. Try again because your attention is a total failure. I'll say this for you though. At least you tried so I will remove the coward label. BTW, I am sorry you find actual numbers and statistics baffling. Also the only bullshit I see is your pathetic attempts to hold onto your inalid statement. LOL, no it doesn’t average out. It never averages out, never, ever... never-ever!! There are so many things that can skew the numbers you posted each and every year. You are not comparing apples to apples. I already shot a giant hole in your ridiculous theory. The more I think about your theory the more I laugh. It’s completly bullshit. Your baffling us with bullshit isn’t going to work here, not with me. You may convince some homers but
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Post by Shelly on Dec 10, 2017 21:45:20 GMT -5
I would say nice try but it isn't. Over 15 years those things average out. Fifteen years is a large enough sample. The point is clear as day. When you look at how your also rans measure up against all the others, and that is done by out of division games,then you know where you stand. Try again because your attention is a total failure. I'll say this for you though. At least you tried so I will remove the coward label. BTW, I am sorry you find actual numbers and statistics baffling. Also the only bullshit I see is your pathetic attempts to hold onto your inalid statement. LOL, no it doesn’t average out. It never averages out, never, ever... never-ever!! There are so many things that can skew the numbers you posted each and every year. You are not comparing apples to apples. I already shot a giant hole in your ridiculous theory. The more I think about your theory the more I laugh. It’s completly bullshit. Your baffling us with bullshit isn’t going to work here, not with me. You may convince some homers but I'll leave you to your delusions. I want you to be happy and if that is what it takes......
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 10, 2017 22:26:07 GMT -5
LOL, no it doesn’t average out. It never averages out, never, ever... never-ever!! There are so many things that can skew the numbers you posted each and every year. You are not comparing apples to apples. I already shot a giant hole in your ridiculous theory. The more I think about your theory the more I laugh. It’s completly bullshit. Your baffling us with bullshit isn’t going to work here, not with me. You may convince some homers but I'll leave you to your delusions. I want you to be happy and if that is what it takes...... My delusions. LMAO! Sure, now that I called you out on your rediculous theory. Nice one, Sheldon. There are so many things that makes your theory laughable. Your numbers prove absolutely nothing. The best teams go to the playoffs every season.. sure, there will be an exception sometimes but when there is complete evidence that shows that the rest of the AFC East has only made the playoffs 4 times combined in 10 years compared to other divisions... that’s pretty slap in your face evident that that is one weak ass division. 4 playoffs combined...in 10 years!! please tell me why that is? Why Sheldon? Hint... it’s not because the Pats are in the division as you and your homie buddies want to try and make everyone believe.
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Post by coolade on Dec 10, 2017 23:26:36 GMT -5
Ko Still love the word "lucky" 20 pages predicted on top of the 20 pages on lucky thread last year... Lol. "Like the legend of the phoenix All ends with beginnings What keeps the planet spinning (uh) The force of love beginning We've come too far to give up who we are So let's raise the bar and our cups to the stars She's up all night 'til the sun I'm up all night to get some She's up all night for good fun I'm up all night to get lucky" daft punk. "get lucky" (verse 1) Still love the word"lucky"... Lol. Page7-8 going on 20... Lucky is important word for agenda members of board. Lucky implies its all Brady. The lucky pick , the lucky division he dominates, the lucky Belichick.. Lol. This board is lucky too. It is lucky to have the Coolades wozziss, crazytroys, slgdevs and others that stand up to this agenda driven segment who would otherwise run the board unchecked into kooky fantasyland. Yep... That's for sure... Lol ^^^
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 10, 2017 23:51:02 GMT -5
The Packers have been to the playoffs 9 times in the past 10 seasons, they are the best team in their division and the rest of their division has made the playoffs 8 times in 10 years.. that’s twice as many times that the Jets, Dolphins and Bills have made the playoffs COMBINED. the Steelers have been to the playoffs 7 times in the past 10 years, 2 less than the Pats and the Ravens, Bengals and Browns have been to the playoffs 12 times in the last 10 years, that 3 times the amount of times the Jets, Dolphins and Bills have been. This couldn’t be more evident which division, outside of the division leaders, are the weakest. Seriously, are you saying the Jets, Bills and Dolphins are better than the Ravens, Bengals and Browns or the Vikings, Lions Bears or how about the Saints, Panthers, Bucs? Oh hell no!! I could go on but I would just embarrass you even more. Brady's record Vs. the NFC North: 14-3 (.824) The #2,#3 and #4 teams in each division for all out of division games for the years 2002 to 2016 in order of strongest runner-ups division, Sheldon has given us the W-L records and the win percentage (ties excluded) #7 NFCN 190-260 .422 Yeah its easy to make the playoffs when the other teams in your division are cupcakes.
You're like that loon screaming 1+1 doesn't equal 2.
The reason the scientific community sticks to data (otherwise known as fact) and not feelings is because it is accurate.
You have no data to back up your debate, making the playoffs isn't a determining factor of "better" because the best teams don't always make the playoffs, the same way the 2008 Patriots went 11-5 and the 8-8 division winning Chargers made the playoffs instead.
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Post by coolade on Dec 10, 2017 23:56:17 GMT -5
^^^ excellent point, By wozzy.
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 11, 2017 0:23:47 GMT -5
The Packers have been to the playoffs 9 times in the past 10 seasons, they are the best team in their division and the rest of their division has made the playoffs 8 times in 10 years.. that’s twice as many times that the Jets, Dolphins and Bills have made the playoffs COMBINED. the Steelers have been to the playoffs 7 times in the past 10 years, 2 less than the Pats and the Ravens, Bengals and Browns have been to the playoffs 12 times in the last 10 years, that 3 times the amount of times the Jets, Dolphins and Bills have been. This couldn’t be more evident which division, outside of the division leaders, are the weakest. Seriously, are you saying the Jets, Bills and Dolphins are better than the Ravens, Bengals and Browns or the Vikings, Lions Bears or how about the Saints, Panthers, Bucs? Oh hell no!! I could go on but I would just embarrass you even more. Brady's record Vs. the NFC North: 14-3 (.824) The #2,#3 and #4 teams in each division for all out of division games for the years 2002 to 2016 in order of strongest runner-ups division, Sheldon has given us the W-L records and the win percentage (ties excluded) #7 NFCN 190-260 .422 Yeah its easy to make the playoffs when the other teams in your division are cupcakes.
You're like that loon screaming 1+1 doesn't equal 2.
The reason the scientific community sticks to data (otherwise known as fact) and not feelings is because it is accurate.
You have no data to back up your debate, making the playoffs isn't a determining factor of "better" because the best teams don't always make the playoffs, the same way the 2008 Patriots went 11-5 and the 8-8 division winning Chargers made the playoffs instead.There are exceptions to everything, I have already stated that. Damn, Wozzy... I ask again... do you know how to read because clearly you aren't reading my posts. Either you don't know how to read or your so butt hurt that you post comments before reading my complete posts. Which is it? You are seriously acting like you are mentally challenged. The other teams in the division are cupcakes??. Oh, so the Saints Panthers and Bucs made the playoffs 9 times combined in 10 years, Falcons made it 5 times.. yeah, those are real cupcakes. In the Falcons division. In the NFC East the Cowboys, Eagles and Giants all made the playoffs 4X each while the redskins made it 3 times. Cupcakes. My gosh, the more you write the dumber you look. Let me repeat this again.... the Jets, Bills and Dolphins have only made the playoffs 4 times COMBINED in 10 years... that is what you call cupcakes, dude.
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 11, 2017 0:29:35 GMT -5
^^^ excellent point, By wozzy. hahaha! You wouldn't know a good point if it slapped you in the face.
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 11, 2017 0:46:42 GMT -5
There are exceptions to everything, I have already stated that. Damn, Wozzy... I ask again... do you know how to read because clearly you aren't reading my posts. Either you don't know how to read or your so butt hurt that you post comments before reading my complete posts. Which is it? You are seriously acting like you are mentally challenged. The other teams in the division are cupcakes??. Oh, so the Saints Panthers and Bucs made the playoffs 9 times combined in 10 years, Falcons made it 5 times.. yeah, those are real cupcakes. In the Falcons division. In the NFC East the Cowboys, Eagles and Giants all made the playoffs 4X each while the redskins made it 3 times. Cupcakes. My gosh, the more you write the dumber you look. Let me repeat this again.... the Jets, Bills and Dolphins have only made the playoffs 4 times COMBINED in 10 years... that is what you call cupcakes, dude. Thats why win % is the only way to determine "better," as is winning % vs other divisions. The AFC East has been better than most divisions in "wins," just because the Patriots make up the lion's share of those wins means nothing, the teams in the AFC East have to play us twice whereas the Bucs and other teams you mention play cupcakes. The Patriots dominate other divisions as well as their own, according to your hypothesis we cruise in our division therefore should have a tougher record against non-division opponents because they're better... that isn't true. Playoffs is garbage as a barometer, 9-7 and 8-8 teams make the playoffs every year because division heads automatically are in. They aren't better then the 10-6 teams that get knocked out in better divisions annually. Wins are all the matters the same way points is all the matters... because we don't judge football on "because I say so." And you hurling insults at other posters and declaring victory at the end of each post while providing zero data or worthless facts to prove something makes you look like a spoiled petulant child. The scientific method is what puts space shuttles into orbit, you can't pray that sht into space. Math matters.
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Post by bostonts on Dec 11, 2017 1:33:55 GMT -5
Playoffs is garbage as a barometer, 9-7 and 8-8 teams make the playoffs every year because division heads automatically are in. They aren't better then the 10-6 teams that get knocked out in better divisions annually. That doesn't happen in the AFC east (second team getting knocked out with a 10-6 record - when was the last time a team not named the Pats finished 10-6 in the AFC east, much less didn't make the playoffs). I guess that means the AFC east isn't one of the better divisions then? I agree that playoffs are not the only criteria but I think they are relevant to factor in as well. I find that the AFC East is better, statistically, than you would think in regular season wins. But who was the last great QB in the AFC East not named Tom Brady? Chad Pennington? The AFC East is not "weak" IMO based on the stats, but it's also not as competitive as some here would have us believe. It's somewhere in the middle. I am NOT of the mind that the Pats would have had less success in another division, no way to know. I'd tend to think they would have done pretty darn well anywhere. In fact you could make the argument that in some ways tougher divisions help teams get ready for the playoffs, and that a cakewalk division in a given year can actually be a hindrance. The Pats don't really have that issue though as our division generally plays us pretty tough, except for maybe Buffalo at times.
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 11, 2017 1:37:09 GMT -5
There are exceptions to everything, I have already stated that. Damn, Wozzy... I ask again... do you know how to read because clearly you aren't reading my posts. Either you don't know how to read or your so butt hurt that you post comments before reading my complete posts. Which is it? You are seriously acting like you are mentally challenged. The other teams in the division are cupcakes??. Oh, so the Saints Panthers and Bucs made the playoffs 9 times combined in 10 years, Falcons made it 5 times.. yeah, those are real cupcakes. In the Falcons division. In the NFC East the Cowboys, Eagles and Giants all made the playoffs 4X each while the redskins made it 3 times. Cupcakes. My gosh, the more you write the dumber you look. Let me repeat this again.... the Jets, Bills and Dolphins have only made the playoffs 4 times COMBINED in 10 years... that is what you call cupcakes, dude. Thats why win % is the only way to determine "better," as is winning % vs other divisions. The AFC East has been better than most divisions in "wins," just because the Patriots make up the lion's share of those wins means nothing, the teams in the AFC East have to play us twice whereas the Bucs and other teams you mention play cupcakes. The Patriots dominate other divisions as well as their own, according to your hypothesis we cruise in our division therefore should have a tougher record against non-division opponents because they're better... that isn't true. Playoffs is garbage as a barometer, 9-7 and 8-8 teams make the playoffs every year because division heads automatically are in. They aren't better then the 10-6 teams that get knocked out in better divisions annually. Wins are all the matters the same way points is all the matters... because we don't judge football on "because I say so." And you hurling insults at other posters and declaring victory at the end of each post while providing zero data or worthless facts to prove something makes you look like a spoiled petulant child. The scientific method is what puts space shuttles into orbit, you can't pray that sht into space. Math matters. I'll disregard each and every post you make if you put the Patriots in it. Apparently you really can't read. This has nothing to do with the Patriots. Do you understand that? Providing zero data? What the hell are you talking about... I have been provide a shit load of data.. you ignore it, you can't accept it.. that's why you refer to it as zero data. Fine, I look like a spoiled petulant punk... better than looking like a moron who can't read and gets so butthurt that you start arguing the wrong argument. Yeah, math matters.... The Dolphins, Jets and Bills have been to the playoffs 4 times COMBINED... that would be > all the other divisions. How's that math!
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 11, 2017 1:57:45 GMT -5
Playoffs is garbage as a barometer, 9-7 and 8-8 teams make the playoffs every year because division heads automatically are in. They aren't better then the 10-6 teams that get knocked out in better divisions annually. That doesn't happen in the AFC east (second team getting knocked out with a 10-6 record - when was the last time a team not named the Pats finished 10-6 in the AFC east, much less didn't make the playoffs). I guess that means the AFC east isn't one of the better divisions then? I agree that playoffs are not the only criteria but I think they are relevant to factor in as well. I find that the AFC East is better, statistically, than you would think in regular season wins. But who was the last great QB in the AFC East not named Tom Brady? Chad Pennington? The AFC East is not "weak" IMO based on the stats, but it's also not as competitive as some here would have us believe. It's somewhere in the middle. I am NOT of the mind that the Pats would have had less success in another division, no way to know. I'd tend to think they would have done pretty darn well anywhere. In fact you could make the argument that in some ways tougher divisions help teams get ready for the playoffs, and that a cakewalk division in a given year can actually be a hindrance. The Pats don't really have that issue though as our division generally plays us pretty tough, except for maybe Buffalo at times. I agree the whole division garbage is overblown, and "transcendent QB's" aren't the difference either. You can cite the quality of QB's in the division and I can counter that the defense's in the AFC East have been superior over the past decade. At the end of the day the Patriots have been great because they are great, winning Super Bowls is hard.
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 11, 2017 2:09:34 GMT -5
I'll disregard each and every post you make if you put the Patriots in it. Apparently you really can't read. This has nothing to do with the Patriots. Do you understand that? Providing zero data? What the hell are you talking about... I have been provide a shit load of data.. you ignore it, you can't accept it.. that's why you refer to it as zero data. Fine, I look like a spoiled petulant punk... better than looking like a moron who can't read and gets so butthurt that you start arguing the wrong argument. Yeah, math matters.... The Dolphins, Jets and Bills have been to the playoffs 4 times COMBINED... that would be > all the other divisions. How's that math! Disregarding that each AFC East team is guaranteed two losses each year. Playoffs isn't as important as winning, yards isn't important as points. Do you understand how playoffs isn't a judge of good when bad teams make the playoffs every year or not?
Newsflash the Patriots don't suck Newsflash the Patriots are good. You can stop looking for excuses why we win, the Patriots are really really good, historically good... historically the best. That's why... thats also why the three other teams in our division have an uphill climb. The same garbage you constantly post is repeated all over social media by other Patriot haters... whats next buddy... we cheat, we deflate balls, Belichick is watching or listening in? Get over the self hatred.
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 11, 2017 2:34:05 GMT -5
I'll disregard each and every post you make if you put the Patriots in it. Apparently you really can't read. This has nothing to do with the Patriots. Do you understand that? Providing zero data? What the hell are you talking about... I have been provide a shit load of data.. you ignore it, you can't accept it.. that's why you refer to it as zero data. Fine, I look like a spoiled petulant punk... better than looking like a moron who can't read and gets so butthurt that you start arguing the wrong argument. Yeah, math matters.... The Dolphins, Jets and Bills have been to the playoffs 4 times COMBINED... that would be > all the other divisions. How's that math! Disregarding that each AFC East team is guaranteed two losses each year. Playoffs isn't as important as winning, yards isn't important as points. Do you understand how playoffs isn't a judge of good when bad teams make the playoffs every year or not?
Newsflash the Patriots don't suck Newsflash the Patriots are good. You can stop looking for excuses why we win, the Patriots are really really good, historically good... historically the best. That's why... thats also why the three other teams in our division have an uphill climb. The same garbage you constantly post is repeated all over social media by other Patriot haters... whats next buddy... we cheat, we deflate balls, Belichick is watching or listening in? Get over the self hatred. OMG, for what’s gotta be the 20th time... this isn’t about the Patriots. Are you seriously still arguing that? Your arguing the wrong argument Wozzy. Can someone please explain to Wozzy that this isn’t about the Patriots. He is so butthurt that he has no idea what the argument is here. “Stop making excuses why the Patriots win”. Wow!! After all this, you really just said that? You can’t read, can you? Serious question. GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS. Wozzy, seriously dude, you look like a total moron right now because it’s not about the Patriots. I have never said anything in this entire discussion about why the Patriots are good or bad or whatever made up shit in your mind is swirling around in that thick skull of yours. If you don’t understand the argument, which is pretty damn clear that you don’t, then just exit the discussion because your wasting my time with the wrong argument. Unbelievable!!
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 11, 2017 2:54:40 GMT -5
OMG, for what’s gotta be the 20th time... this isn’t about the Patriots. Are you seriously still arguing that? Your arguing the wrong argument Wozzy. Can someone please explain to Wozzy that this isn’t about the Patriots. He is so butthurt that he has no idea what the argument is here. “Stop making excuses why the Patriots win”. Wow!! After all this, you really just said that? You can’t read, can you? Serious question. GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS. Wozzy, seriously dude, you look like a total moron right now because it’s not about the Patriots. I have never said anything in this entire discussion about why the Patriots are good or bad or whatever made up shit in your mind is swirling around in that thick skull of yours. If you don’t understand the argument, which is pretty damn clear that you don’t, then just exit the discussion because your wasting my time with the wrong argument. Unbelievable!! It's not about the Patriots but you dismiss Sheldon's facts about the win % of every other team in the division. It's not about the Patriots but you want us to remove the Patriots from the equation but nobody else. More dumb bullsht like Belichick is a bad GM if you take away his best players. Whether we include the Patriots or remove the best team from every division, the AFC East is better then all but two divisions since 2002. According to facts, not your opinion which without data isn't worth sht. As the moderator of this site to sling insults is either encouraging others to do the same or being a hypocrite because you'll force others to stop. Or it's a huge abuse of power. Do you want me to start getting personal and throwing around insults because I do that very well. Debate the facts, tell us how the AFC East even without the Patriots have a better win % then all but two divisions... otherwise you exit the discussion because you don't even know how debate works.
Stomping your feet telling others they are dumb isn't how it works, you'd be laughed off stage if you tried this in a college. Tell us how the AFC East is worse when according to fact (winning) it isn't?
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 11, 2017 3:18:41 GMT -5
2016 the Dolphins made the playoffs.
2015 the 9-7 QB'less Texans made the playoff because they won their lame division, meanwhile the Jets at 10-6 with a better offense and exact same points allowed defense didn't.
2015 three teams from the AFC North made the playoffs.
The same way each season is different for individual teams, parity, each division is different each season.
The one consistent for nearly two decades has been the Patriots and it's not because of the division.
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 11, 2017 3:25:47 GMT -5
2016 the Dolphins made the playoffs. 2015 the 9-7 QB'less Texans made the playoff because they won their lame division, meanwhile the Jets at 10-6 with a better offense and exact same points allowed defense didn't. 2015 three teams from the AFC North made the playoffs. The same way each season is different for individual teams, parity, each division is different each season. The one consistent for nearly two decades has been the Patriots and it's not because of the division. There's always going to be an exception with everything, Wozzy.. nothing is absolute. Seriously, dude... your lame arguments are wasting my time. You have yet to prove anything of substance here... other than more than half your posts you are arguing the wrong argument. The Pats don't sweep the Jets Dolphins and Bills every year Wozzy, maybe the Bills, lol.. and if they did that's only two losses for each team... and between the 3 of them they still can't make the playoffs.. except for 4 total times combined in 10 years. How pathetic of a division is that?
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Post by Wozzy on Dec 11, 2017 3:40:47 GMT -5
2016 the Dolphins made the playoffs. 2015 the 9-7 QB'less Texans made the playoff because they won their lame division, meanwhile the Jets at 10-6 with a better offense and exact same points allowed defense didn't. 2015 three teams from the AFC North made the playoffs. The same way each season is different for individual teams, parity, each division is different each season. The one consistent for nearly two decades has been the Patriots and it's not because of the division. There's always going to be an exception with everything, Wozzy.. nothing is absolute. Seriously, dude... your lame arguments are wasting my time. You have yet to prove anything of substance here... other than more than half your posts you are arguing the wrong argument. The Pats don't sweep the Jets Dolphins and Bills every year Wozzy, maybe the Bills, lol.. and if they did that's only two losses for each team... and between the 3 of them they still can't make the playoffs.. except for 4 total times combined in 10 years. How pathetic of a division is that? I've proven that playoffs aren't a viable measure of "better" if poorer teams can make the playoffs over better teams. You haven't and can't explain how a division that wins more games then other divisions, even if you remove the Patriots, is somehow worse then the all but two divisions they beat regularly. Please explain this, I've already destroyed your "playoffs as a barometer" argument. Be a man and explain "wins" without insulting me or ignoring the topic entirely, which is what you have done this entire thread?
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Post by TFB12 on Dec 11, 2017 4:07:06 GMT -5
There's always going to be an exception with everything, Wozzy.. nothing is absolute. Seriously, dude... your lame arguments are wasting my time. You have yet to prove anything of substance here... other than more than half your posts you are arguing the wrong argument. The Pats don't sweep the Jets Dolphins and Bills every year Wozzy, maybe the Bills, lol.. and if they did that's only two losses for each team... and between the 3 of them they still can't make the playoffs.. except for 4 total times combined in 10 years. How pathetic of a division is that? I've proven that playoffs aren't a viable measure of "better" if poorer teams can make the playoffs over better teams. You haven't and can't explain how a division that wins more games then other divisions, even if you remove the Patriots, is somehow worse then the all but two divisions they beat regularly. Please explain this, I've already destroyed your "playoffs as a barometer" argument. Be a man and explain "wins" without insulting me or ignoring the topic entirely, which is what you have done this entire thread? Oh yeah, you are destroying my playoff argument. Lmao! The questions you ask have been answered many times through this thread. The answers aren’t going to change, Wozzy. You continue to waste my time... Go look at my last few responses to Sheldon, it will answer your questions. Seriously, please... please go back at read the thread again. I’m sorry you can’t grasp the concept. The Jets, Dolphins and Bills have sucked the past 10 years, actually more but I just went back 10 years. Actually, throwing out a wild guess here.. the Bills haven’t made the playoffs in what...20 years?? Dolphins and Jets just 4 times combined in the last 10 years... pathetic. And it’s not because the Pats are in the division... that would be only 2 losses per team if they were swept by the Pats every year.. that doesn’t quite happen. Please, go back and read the thread.
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Post by bostonts on Dec 11, 2017 6:27:43 GMT -5
I agree the whole division garbage is overblown, and "transcendent QB's" aren't the difference either. You can cite the quality of QB's in the division and I can counter that the defense's in the AFC East have been superior over the past decade. At the end of the day the Patriots have been great because they are great, winning Super Bowls is hard. Well making the playoffs and being a really good team, it really helps if your QB is very good - perhaps not transcendent but at least good. There's no denying the AFC East, aside from the Pats, has been quarterback challenged. It seems like Jimmy G is better than about any QB we've seen from other teams in AFC E - though we'll have to see.... That doesn't mean the division has been weak, but it's hard to argue it's been a great division with such comparatively mediocre QB play. As I said I don't believe this diminished the Pats' accomplishments. But I do think it helps to explain why we've had so few 10-6 teams other than the Pats, and so few deep playoff runs by other AFC East teams. In terms of how the AFC East defenses compare statistically to other defenses from other divisions, that would be an interesting stat to pull.
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Post by philskiw on Dec 11, 2017 7:04:35 GMT -5
I would say nice try but it isn't. Over 15 years those things average out. Fifteen years is a large enough sample. The point is clear as day. When you look at how your also rans measure up against all the others, and that is done by out of division games,then you know where you stand. Try again because your attention is a total failure. I'll say this for you though. At least you tried so I will remove the coward label. BTW, I am sorry you find actual numbers and statistics baffling. Also the only bullshit I see is your pathetic attempts to hold onto your inalid statement. LOL, no it doesn’t average out. It never averages out, never, ever... never-ever!! There are so many things that can skew the numbers you posted each and every year. You are not comparing apples to apples. I already shot a giant hole in your ridiculous theory. The more I think about your theory the more I laugh. It’s completly bullshit. Your baffling us with bullshit isn’t going to work here, not with me. You may convince some homers but baffling with BS is what web page makers err scientists do.
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Post by agcsbill on Dec 11, 2017 7:53:56 GMT -5
Who’s saying the Pats suck? I proved the rest of the division actually suck. So once again, who says the Pats suck? If the AFC East sucks then Brady pads his stats and has worse stats against the other divisions, facts show that not to be true. Sorry if it doesn't fit your agenda. That's the rub. If the Pats are playing within a weak division, their outside the division record should, on average, be worse. It is not. Because the other teams within the AFCE can't defeat the Patriots more often doesn't mean they are weak considering all the numbers we see about their outside the division results. Somewhere the 2+2 = 4 logic used to claim a weak division is not adding up.
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Post by Shelly on Dec 11, 2017 7:59:04 GMT -5
I'll leave you to your delusions. I want you to be happy and if that is what it takes...... My delusions. LMAO! Sure, now that I called you out on your rediculous theory. Nice one, Sheldon. There are so many things that makes your theory laughable. Your numbers prove absolutely nothing. The best teams go to the playoffs every season.. sure, there will be an exception sometimes but when there is complete evidence that shows that the rest of the AFC East has only made the playoffs 4 times combined in 10 years compared to other divisions... that’s pretty slap in your face evident that that is one weak ass division. 4 playoffs combined...in 10 years!! please tell me why that is? Why Sheldon? Hint... it’s not because the Pats are in the division as you and your homie buddies want to try and make everyone believe. I'll leave you to your delusions. I want you to be happy and if that is what it takes......
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Post by agcsbill on Dec 11, 2017 8:09:39 GMT -5
One of the key points TFB12 brings up to bolster his contention the Pats play in a weak division is the fact very few of the other teams in the AFCE make the playoffs. I think the number is only 4 times. With that said, how many times has a team made the playoffs by winning their division with a record which was worse or the same as an AFCE team? An example is the year the Pats went 11-5 and the 8 - 8 Chargers made the playoffs as a division winner. That is an example of one less AFCE representative in the playoffs who had a better record than a division winner. I believe the Jets were such a team, too. Plus I am certain there are a number of times an AFCE team did have the exact same record as a division winner but didn't get in because it only takes two other teams who are runners-up in their division who happens to have a better record get the wild card spot.
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Post by Shelly on Dec 11, 2017 8:21:08 GMT -5
OMG, for what’s gotta be the 20th time... this isn’t about the Patriots. Are you seriously still arguing that? Your arguing the wrong argument Wozzy. Can someone please explain to Wozzy that this isn’t about the Patriots. He is so butthurt that he has no idea what the argument is here. “Stop making excuses why the Patriots win”. Wow!! After all this, you really just said that? You can’t read, can you? Serious question. GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS. Wozzy, seriously dude, you look like a total moron right now because it’s not about the Patriots. I have never said anything in this entire discussion about why the Patriots are good or bad or whatever made up shit in your mind is swirling around in that thick skull of yours. If you don’t understand the argument, which is pretty damn clear that you don’t, then just exit the discussion because your wasting my time with the wrong argument. Unbelievable!! It's not about the Patriots but you dismiss Sheldon's facts about the win % of every other team in the division. It's not about the Patriots but you want us to remove the Patriots from the equation but nobody else. More dumb bullsht like Belichick is a bad GM if you take away his best players. Whether we include the Patriots or remove the best team from every division, the AFC East is better then all but two divisions since 2002. According to facts, not your opinion which without data isn't worth sht. As the moderator of this site to sling insults is either encouraging others to do the same or being a hypocrite because you'll force others to stop. Or it's a huge abuse of power. Do you want me to start getting personal and throwing around insults because I do that very well. Debate the facts, tell us how the AFC East even without the Patriots have a better win % then all but two divisions... otherwise you exit the discussion because you don't even know how debate works.
Stomping your feet telling others they are dumb isn't how it works, you'd be laughed off stage if you tried this in a college. Tell us how the AFC East is worse when according to fact (winning) it isn't?His whole counter to the facts is that the teams don't play everyone else every year so some years they play weak divisions and some years they play stronger divisions. That argument would make sense if we were talking about two or three or even four years. However, we are talking about 15 (and now almost 16) years. In that time the also rans have played each division in their conference FIVE times and in the other conference have played three of the divisions FOUR times and the other one THREE times. In additions to that they have played the corresponding finisher in their conference (other two divisions) THIRTY times. That is one helluva large sample so anyone that has ever studied even elementary statistics knows that the differences in who you play wash out because of the size of the sample. So, his "you don't play everyone" counter is pure hogwash. Playoffs mean nothing because of what you have said above. He is just to stubborn to admit he is wrong when faced with incontrovertible facts. He also still argues that yards matter, which they do but ONLY if they result in points. You can take the train to get to the stadium or you can take your car or you can walk. None of that matters even though if you take your car you are more likely to get there faster. In the end, the only thing that matters is that you get to the stadium by game time. Likewise yards and points. It is only points that count towards winning the game. But, as I said before to him: "I'll leave you to your delusions. I want you to be happy and if that is what it takes......" Oh, you made another excellent point. If the Admin in his alter ego (TFB12) hurls insults, it encourages others to do the same. You don't tell your children to not smoke a joint when you, yourself, are shooting up the hard stuff.
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