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Post by bostonsportsfan111 on Feb 28, 2019 6:24:54 GMT -5
If it is one offending poster (who apparently has done it multiple times), doesn’t it make sense to just ban that one offending poster and be done with it? I don’t go into the political forum ever, I’d hate to see this site die off because of one jack wagon... What a shame that a few bad apples have to spoil a good time for everyone by breaking the rules... m.youtube.com/watch?v=3AohA367VVk
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Post by Wozzy on Feb 28, 2019 8:13:42 GMT -5
What do you disagree with, that this is the Patriotsfans forum? As a member I should be able to use the "recent posts" feature without having to read a bunch of bullshit. Go somewhere else, start another forum I'm sure it costs next to nothing. In fact I'm sure it already exists somewhere. Someone post a link and go there. Don't ruin this forum for the rest of us.
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Post by NEGAME on Feb 28, 2019 8:51:09 GMT -5
What do you disagree with, that this is the Patriotsfans forum? As a member I should be able to use the "recent posts" feature without having to read a bunch of bullshit. Go somewhere else, start another forum I'm sure it costs next to nothing. In fact I'm sure it already exists somewhere. Someone post a link and go there. Don't ruin this forum for the rest of us. How many people post on this forum on a regular basis--10? 12? Maybe not that many. So if all of us who post political thoughts leave, there will be maybe 4 of you left. So then you can name it Wozzy's Patriots Forum and have fun reading your perfect posts..
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Post by danpat on Feb 28, 2019 9:07:06 GMT -5
What do you disagree with, that this is the Patriotsfans forum? As a member I should be able to use the "recent posts" feature without having to read a bunch of bullshit. Go somewhere else, start another forum I'm sure it costs next to nothing. In fact I'm sure it already exists somewhere. Someone post a link and go there. Don't ruin this forum for the rest of us. I disagreed with who should be blamed. I understood your post as blaming Pro, I don’t think that is fair.
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Post by Shelly on Feb 28, 2019 9:08:20 GMT -5
Everyone should just IGNORE him, I do. I don't read anything he says. I don t like the derogatory posts made to him and Shelly and that has gotten out of control imo. As far as the off topic that has become mostly political, I like it and post on it at times. Again if you don t like it don't go there. Next it could be remove the fantasy because someone does't like it. Leave the forum the way it is. As far as the report to the Proboards, pretty chicken shit in my opinion.He could easily have started a thread bringing it to everyone's attention and it could have been taken care of in house. I hate tattletales. You man troll says derogatory things about me? Who would have believed it? Yes, people should just ignore him. The bigger question is why he hasn't been permanently banned from this board along with Rusty. Rusty is a neophyte compared to troll. Troll should have been banned well over a year ago, if not before that. Admin, how about taking action? There is a reason why there is a "report post" feature on the site. I believe all, of just about all, sites have such a feature. It is to prevent posts like the one stated. This feature sends a message to Admin, not to ProBoards. That is the way it should be done. The problem arises when after doing this, Admin does nothing or just does something inconsequential like sending a warning. So, while he should not have gone to ProBoards, Admin needs to take some responsibility for putting him in that position. The obvious solution for Admin, based upon troll's many times each day repeating such behavior is to permanently ban him. The obvious solution for Pro (who has posted that he was the one to complain to ProBoards) is to have put troll on ignore. Tell me game, if you see what could be considered a crime are you a "tattletale" for reporting it to the authorities or is it your duty to do so?
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Post by rkarp on Feb 28, 2019 9:13:14 GMT -5
What do you disagree with, that this is the Patriotsfans forum? As a member I should be able to use the "recent posts" feature without having to read a bunch of bullshit. Go somewhere else, start another forum I'm sure it costs next to nothing. In fact I'm sure it already exists somewhere. Someone post a link and go there. Don't ruin this forum for the rest of us. I disagreed with who should be blamed. I understood your post as blaming Pro, I don’t think that is fair. I 100% agree. If 3 complaints were sent thru to Admin, and all fell on deaf ears, taking the issue to the next level is prudent I do feel there is some issue as to how threatened Pro really was, but regardless, he felt it warranted a complaint. he has that right I also agree with Wozzy however. this is a football fan forum. there are other places to have political discussion. for me, having those discussions here is a matter of convenience, as the football discussion is what brings me here. I have zero issue, if this forum is football only I also agree use of the ignore function is under utilized here.
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Post by Shelly on Feb 28, 2019 9:21:43 GMT -5
Twsfan stop, just stop with this kind of post. All smiley faces don t make it right or funny. Please stop with. the name calling. You see their names and you post something like the above. You don 't contribute, you just insult. Again ,please stop I have 40 "dislikes" on my profile, and most of them are from him going around "disliking" something I said that had to do with politics. He even disliked what usmc said at the top of this page, and I have no idea what there is to "dislike" about that. Only 40? I have 717 at last look and I think at least 675 are from him. I get about fifteen or twenty a day from him and I can't even remember when I got one from a different poster. He, singlehandedly, has made that count number virtually useless. Well, at least he has accomplished something. Oh, I also couldn't figure out why he disliked that post from usmc -- but then I long ago stopped trying to figure out the impossible workings of the thing inside his cranium.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Feb 28, 2019 9:33:18 GMT -5
I disagreed with who should be blamed. I understood your post as blaming Pro, I don’t think that is fair. I 100% agree. If 3 complaints were sent thru to Admin, and all fell on deaf ears, taking the issue to the next level is prudent I do feel there is some issue as to how threatened Pro really was, but regardless, he felt it warranted a complaint. he has that right I also agree with Wozzy however. this is a football fan forum. there are other places to have political discussion. for me, having those discussions here is a matter of convenience, as the football discussion is what brings me here. I have zero issue, if this forum is football only I also agree use of the ignore function is under utilized here. In defence of the Admin, he did respond to all three. Comments that contain what could be construed as threats of violence, however, should simply not be tolerated at all. As they continued, I felt the company that owns these forums—ProBoards—should be alerted. I doubt the poster really would (or could) perpetuate a violent act against me as he likely doesn't know who I am (though I think he once implied he did know where I worked) and I assume he's not really going to try to assassinate any public official. At the same time, we all know that violent people sometimes give warnings and those warnings are unfortunately often ignored. Even if the chance of actual violence is small, ignoring warning signs has, unfortunately, too often proved to be a mistake.
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Post by carawaydj on Feb 28, 2019 9:40:23 GMT -5
I subscribe to something my mother always said as she commenced to whoop on all of our asses as we all pointed at each other, "it takes two to tango". When two guys get into a heated discussion here and one goes overboard you just can't blame only the guy who goes overboard. It's usually the result of countless heated posts between the two that perhaps go back a long time. Blaming only the guy who loses it is like blaming the guy at the bar who threw the first punch after being provoked all night. I perused the politics forum once and that was enough. I saw enough pomposity, ignorance, and arrogance to fill my tank for the next decade. If that is what entertains you then by all means go ahead. If this place gets shut down over it I'll wish for your balls to get caught in wood chipper.
Again, it takes two to tango. Rest assured whatever the hell went on over there wasn't the result of someone engaging in a mild-mannered, civil conversation before one side lost it. It was likely the result of a longstanding back and forth of insults. I don't have any problem with Pro. He certainly shouldn't be threatened. Given some of his political views it isn't hard for me to imagine him driving someone to the brink of insanity though lol. Hell, his signature alone at the bottom of all his posts is one big middle finger to half the people here.
This isn't my forum but if it was I'd be kicking people out before I risked losing it. I'd be shutting down the political side before I risked losing it. Political discourse by ALL sides in the nation is shameful. The politics side of this forum is just a microcosm of that. There are no innocent parties anymore.
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Post by NEGAME on Feb 28, 2019 9:47:07 GMT -5
Everyone should just IGNORE him, I do. I don't read anything he says. I don t like the derogatory posts made to him and Shelly and that has gotten out of control imo. As far as the off topic that has become mostly political, I like it and post on it at times. Again if you don t like it don't go there. Next it could be remove the fantasy because someone does't like it. Leave the forum the way it is. As far as the report to the Proboards, pretty chicken shit in my opinion.He could easily have started a thread bringing it to everyone's attention and it could have been taken care of in house. I hate tattletales. You man troll says derogatory things about me? Who would have believed it? Yes, people should just ignore him. The bigger question is why he hasn't been permanently banned from this board along with Rusty. Rusty is a neophyte compared to troll. Troll should have been banned well over a year ago, if not before that. Admin, how about taking action? There is a reason why there is a "report post" feature on the site. I believe all, of just about all, sites have such a feature. It is to prevent posts like the one stated. This feature sends a message to Admin, not to ProBoards. That is the way it should be done. The problem arises when after doing this, Admin does nothing or just does something inconsequential like sending a warning. So, while he should not have gone to ProBoards, Admin needs to take some responsibility for putting him in that position. The obvious solution for Admin, based upon troll's many times each day repeating such behavior is to permanently ban him. The obvious solution for Pro (who has posted that he was the one to complain to ProBoards) is to have put troll on ignore. Tell me game, if you see what could be considered a crime are you a "tattletale" for reporting it to the authorities or is it your duty to do so? Not like you to ask such a silly question. Google "tattletale", you ll get your answer.
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Post by Shelly on Feb 28, 2019 9:58:47 GMT -5
You man troll says derogatory things about me? Who would have believed it? Yes, people should just ignore him. The bigger question is why he hasn't been permanently banned from this board along with Rusty. Rusty is a neophyte compared to troll. Troll should have been banned well over a year ago, if not before that. Admin, how about taking action? There is a reason why there is a "report post" feature on the site. I believe all, of just about all, sites have such a feature. It is to prevent posts like the one stated. This feature sends a message to Admin, not to ProBoards. That is the way it should be done. The problem arises when after doing this, Admin does nothing or just does something inconsequential like sending a warning. So, while he should not have gone to ProBoards, Admin needs to take some responsibility for putting him in that position. The obvious solution for Admin, based upon troll's many times each day repeating such behavior is to permanently ban him. The obvious solution for Pro (who has posted that he was the one to complain to ProBoards) is to have put troll on ignore. Tell me game, if you see what could be considered a crime are you a "tattletale" for reporting it to the authorities or is it your duty to do so? Not like you to ask such a silly question. Google "tattletale", you ll get your answer. I know what tattletale means, I know how you feel about it, and I know the inflections. What I asked you is a relevant, not silly, question: "if you see what could be considered a crime are you a "tattletale" for reporting it to the authorities or is it your duty to do so?" I'll ask another way. Several decades ago a woman was being attacked in a courtyard in Queens. Many neighbors heard the commotion and saw what was going on from their apartment windows, yet not one of them called the police because they "didn't want to get involved". If someone had called the police, would you refer to that person with the negative connotation associated with "tattletale"? Someone was recently arrested with a cache of weapons and a hit list of people who political views he didn't like. Would the person who saw his emails that mentioned this list be a "tattletale" in your eyes if they reported it to the police? Writing that you wish certain people dead, including the poster to who he is responding", comes awfully close to at least the second of my two examples.
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Post by Wozzy on Feb 28, 2019 10:49:11 GMT -5
What do you disagree with, that this is the Patriotsfans forum? As a member I should be able to use the "recent posts" feature without having to read a bunch of bullshit. Go somewhere else, start another forum I'm sure it costs next to nothing. In fact I'm sure it already exists somewhere. Someone post a link and go there. Don't ruin this forum for the rest of us. I disagreed with who should be blamed. I understood your post as blaming Pro, I don’t think that is fair. That wasn't the case, if Pro took it that way or it appeared as such then I apologize.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Feb 28, 2019 11:07:45 GMT -5
I disagreed with who should be blamed. I understood your post as blaming Pro, I don’t think that is fair. That wasn't the case, if Pro took it that way or it appeared as such then I apologize. I'm fine Wozzy. I understand your point. I tend to agree with ATJ, however, that if you don't have a politics forum, politics will invade the football forums. I think it serves its purpose to keep political discussions away from the football forum. Those who enjoy the political discussions can take them away from the main forum which should be solely about football.
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Post by carawaydj on Feb 28, 2019 11:19:50 GMT -5
That wasn't the case, if Pro took it that way or it appeared as such then I apologize. I'm fine Wozzy. I understand your point. I tend to agree with ATJ, however, that if you don't have a politics forum, politics will invade the football forums. I think it serves its purpose to keep political discussions away from the football forum. Those who enjoy the political discussions can take them away from the main forum which should be solely about football. Pro, have you taken the time to consider that every time you post in the football forum you inject politics with your signature? You are quite literally giving half the posters here a middle finger. Imagine if we all had political jabs as signatures...
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Post by patmando on Feb 28, 2019 11:25:12 GMT -5
I'm fine Wozzy. I understand your point. I tend to agree with ATJ, however, that if you don't have a politics forum, politics will invade the football forums. I think it serves its purpose to keep political discussions away from the football forum. Those who enjoy the political discussions can take them away from the main forum which should be solely about football. Pro, have you taken the time to consider that every time you post in the football forum you inject politics with your signature? You are quite literally giving half the posters here a middle finger. Imagine if we all had political jabs as signatures... where do people see signatures? Maybe I don’t cause I use my phone....
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Feb 28, 2019 11:28:24 GMT -5
I'm fine Wozzy. I understand your point. I tend to agree with ATJ, however, that if you don't have a politics forum, politics will invade the football forums. I think it serves its purpose to keep political discussions away from the football forum. Those who enjoy the political discussions can take them away from the main forum which should be solely about football. Pro, have you taken the time to consider that every time you post in the football forum you inject politics with your signature? You are quite literally giving half the posters here a middle finger. Imagine if we all had political jabs as signatures… I mostly post in the political forum now, so it was intended for that. But I think you're right. So I removed it.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Feb 28, 2019 11:49:17 GMT -5
Pro, have you taken the time to consider that every time you post in the football forum you inject politics with your signature? You are quite literally giving half the posters here a middle finger. Imagine if we all had political jabs as signatures... where do people see signatures? Maybe I don’t cause I use my phone.... The signature, by the way, was a quote by the great American journalist H L Mencken in an article he wrote for the Baltimore Sun in the 1920s: "As democracy is perfected, the office [of the Presidency] represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." I also added the humorous comment said to have been uttered by G W Bush as he and other dignitaries were leaving Trump's inaugural address: "That was some weird shit." I guess I don't quite see those as offensive (in fact they were both spoken by widely admired Americans), but they are certainly political, which is why I agree carawaydj has a point. They are now removed.
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Post by Wozzy on Feb 28, 2019 12:26:15 GMT -5
I'm fine Wozzy. I understand your point. I tend to agree with ATJ, however, that if you don't have a politics forum, politics will invade the football forums. I think it serves its purpose to keep political discussions away from the football forum. Those who enjoy the political discussions can take them away from the main forum which should be solely about football. Someone sneaking a political jab into one of their posts is a world away from an entire section assigned to political discussion. Those posters usually get told immediately to stick to football anyway. If the political section threatens the functionality or even existence of the football site then it becomes a nuisance, or worse, a threat. As an aside, people who inject political comments into football discussion or any other completely unrelated topic for that matter are douchebags. We have a lot of people running their dick suckers in this country, and nobody is listening, thus the complete discord.
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Post by salcon on Feb 28, 2019 13:09:48 GMT -5
I'm fine Wozzy. I understand your point. I tend to agree with ATJ, however, that if you don't have a politics forum, politics will invade the football forums. I think it serves its purpose to keep political discussions away from the football forum. Those who enjoy the political discussions can take them away from the main forum which should be solely about football. Someone sneaking a political jab into one of their posts is a world away from an entire section assigned to political discussion. Those posters usually get told immediately to stick to football anyway. If the political section threatens the functionality or even existence of the football site then it becomes a nuisance, or worse, a threat. As an aside, people who inject political comments into football discussion or any other completely unrelated topic for that matter are douchebags. We have a lot of people running their dick suckers in this country, and nobody is listening, thus the complete discord. There's always someone who tries to sneak in a political comment and someone almost always gets butt-hurt and has to respond to it. As soon as that happens, they should shut down the thread right there. Maybe people will get the message and leave the politics out of the football discussion. Even the Colin Kap topic should be discussed in the Political Forum. Although, I guess you could debate whether or not he should be allowed to do what he did during the anthem while he's in uniform but it still has nothing to do with the game itself IMO.
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Post by carawaydj on Feb 28, 2019 13:24:37 GMT -5
Pro, have you taken the time to consider that every time you post in the football forum you inject politics with your signature? You are quite literally giving half the posters here a middle finger. Imagine if we all had political jabs as signatures… I mostly post in the political forum now, so it was intended for that. But I think you're right. So I removed it. I don't know how you guys do it. There was a time when I loved to discuss politics. Too toxic now. Too emotional. When I peeked in the politics forum here the image that popped into my head was the Iranians who march while whipping themselves with chains until they bleed.
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Post by Wozzy on Feb 28, 2019 13:28:45 GMT -5
There's always someone who tries to sneak in a political comment and someone almost always gets butt-hurt and has to respond to it. As soon as that happens, they should shut down the thread right there. Maybe people will get the message and leave the politics out of the football discussion. Even the Colin Kap topic should be discussed in the Political Forum. Although, I guess you could debate whether or not he should be allowed to do what he did during the anthem while he's in uniform but it still has nothing to do with the game itself IMO. I'd say we do a pretty good job at self policing people who make political comments in football threads. Posters usually get called out quickly for straying off topic. In the case of Kaepernick, I find it funny that his political stance had little to do with his actual blackballing and nobody discusses this when talking about him. He got blackballed for destroying a franchise on the rise, for being a poor leader and teammate. He only became a militant afterward as a way to get his street cred back. Yes, the league blackballed him. They did it because he screwed Aldon Smith's fiancé, ran Jim Harbaugh out of the NFL and blew up the 49ers costing that franchise millions of dollars in revenue.
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Post by Shelly on Feb 28, 2019 13:37:33 GMT -5
There's always someone who tries to sneak in a political comment and someone almost always gets butt-hurt and has to respond to it. As soon as that happens, they should shut down the thread right there. Maybe people will get the message and leave the politics out of the football discussion. Even the Colin Kap topic should be discussed in the Political Forum. Although, I guess you could debate whether or not he should be allowed to do what he did during the anthem while he's in uniform but it still has nothing to do with the game itself IMO. I'd say we do a pretty good job at self policing people who make political comments in football threads. Posters usually get called out quickly for straying off topic. In the case of Kaepernick, I find it funny that his political stance had little to do with his actual blackballing and nobody discusses this when talking about him. He got blackballed for destroying a franchise on the rise, for being a poor leader and teammate. He only became a militant afterward as a way to get his street cred back. Yes, the league blackballed him. They did it because he screwed Aldon Smith's fiancé, ran Jim Harbaugh out of the NFL and blew up the 49ers costing that franchise millions of dollars in revenue. Then why did they settle out of court? The NFL has big enough pockets to fight it, win, and make him pay all the court costs and attorney's fees.
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Post by salcon on Feb 28, 2019 13:40:15 GMT -5
There's always someone who tries to sneak in a political comment and someone almost always gets butt-hurt and has to respond to it. As soon as that happens, they should shut down the thread right there. Maybe people will get the message and leave the politics out of the football discussion. Even the Colin Kap topic should be discussed in the Political Forum. Although, I guess you could debate whether or not he should be allowed to do what he did during the anthem while he's in uniform but it still has nothing to do with the game itself IMO. I'd say we do a pretty good job at self policing people who make political comments in football threads. Posters usually get called out quickly for straying off topic. In the case of Kaepernick, I find it funny that his political stance had little to do with his actual blackballing and nobody discusses this when talking about him. He got blackballed for destroying a franchise on the rise, for being a poor leader and teammate. He only became a militant afterward as a way to get his street cred back. Yes, the league blackballed him. They did it because he screwed Aldon Smith's fiancé, ran Jim Harbaugh out of the NFL and blew up the 49ers costing that franchise millions of dollars in revenue. Agreed. I could care less about the kneeling thing and all that but for the reasons you stated above I wouldn't touch that guy. Just another good reason he shouldn't be welcomed on the Patriots' team even as a backup.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Feb 28, 2019 13:40:51 GMT -5
I mostly post in the political forum now, so it was intended for that. But I think you're right. So I removed it. I don't know how you guys do it. There was a time when I loved to discuss politics. Too toxic now. Too emotional. When I peeked in the politics forum here the image that popped into my head was the Iranians who march while whipping themselves with chains until they bleed. Hah. For me, politics has never been as interesting or as important as it is now. Since the last presidential election, I've been far less interested in things like football and far more interested in politics and current events. In the past, I "wasted" more time on football. Now, when I want to waste time, I waste it on political stuff. That's why over the years my posts on this forum have shifted from mostly football to mostly politics. I used to watch a lot of football and read about it a lot. Now, I watch just the Pats games on Sunday and hardly read anything about football at all. My downtime now is mostly focused on politics. The one other thing that hurt my football interest, actually, was the NFL selling the rights to GamePass in Canada to DAZN. Since then the coaches film—which I used to be addicted to—has become unavailable in Canada. Watching the coaches film kept my interest in football high because it helped me really understand what was happening in the games and I liked analyzing plays. Now, without that film, my interest has waned. It's just not as easy for me to get deeply into the games. The NFL screwed up in Canada, I think—and for fans like me they hurt our interest in their product. They turned me from an intense fan to just a casual one. I still have my season tickets, but living in Canada means I only get back for a few games—and fewer and fewer over time. It's easier and a lot cheaper to watch from home.
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Post by Wozzy on Feb 28, 2019 13:50:49 GMT -5
Then why did they settle out of court? The NFL has big enough pockets to fight it, win, and make him pay all the court costs and attorney's fees. The NFL blackballed him, they didn't want to admit collusion or open themselves up to further lawsuits under closer examination. I'm saying the reason he got blackballed had less to do with his political stance and more to do with his single handily destroying the 49ers rebuild. The political stuff was the nail in his coffin, also a smart move on his (girlfriend's) part because he could scream racism and not have to be held accountable for being a shit leader and teammate. The court of public opinion is all that's needed to destroy lives or provide redemption in this new social media driven world. The truth is less important.
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