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Post by muzwell on May 1, 2016 7:46:55 GMT -5
Cool info about Faulk. God bless him, what a great move.
I wonder if they made the Dolphins deal to draft the Navy QB? If so, I'm surprised they dealt the pick away, even though it's nice to have a 4th next year. I'm guessing BB was disappointed he didn't get that player.
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Post by seawolf on May 1, 2016 8:53:30 GMT -5
We will just have wait and see if a light goes on in Valentine's head What makes me happy about this draft?
They got an olineman who is not a project, kudos PatsEng
They hav LP LPe an elite returner They drafted for next year, especially with all our players coming off I
I don't know what to say about the qb? NE isn't accurate on short passes per Patspulpit, But had 60% completions.And he is athleticnd big. We will never see another TB and I hope when jg leaves he does nfc
My initial impression is that Houston and Tennessee helped themsel es the most
Reiss didn't say if Faulk was then told o take #12 off? Bet he was
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 11:32:05 GMT -5
It is absolutely astonishing that BB has used his last TWO first round picks on the DL, yet Reiss is claiming he should have used our first round pick on the DL this year (if we had one). This is how the greatest GM of all-time operates? LOL (Not to mention throwing a 3rd rounder DL in the mix last year as well.)
Seven of his last 8 first round picks were used on the D and Reiss would have him use yet another this year if we had it, and he did use his highest pick this year on the D. It's laughable.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on May 1, 2016 12:04:07 GMT -5
It is absolutely astonishing that BB has used his last TWO first round picks on the DL, yet Reiss is claiming he should have used our first round pick on the DL this year (if we had one). This is how the greatest GM of all-time operates? LOL (Not to mention throwing a 3rd rounder DL in the mix last year as well.) Seven of his last 8 first round picks were used on the D and Reiss would have him use yet another this year if we had it, and he did use his highest pick this year on the D. It's laughable. You know what they say: "defense wins championships."
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 12:05:29 GMT -5
Bottom line, BB reached yet again. It's what he does.
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Post by seawolf on May 1, 2016 12:06:48 GMT -5
It is absolutely astonishing that BB has used his last TWO first round picks on the DL, yet Reiss is claiming he should have used our first round pick on the DL this year (if we had one). This is how the greatest GM of all-time operates? LOL (Not to mention throwing a 3rd rounder DL in the mix last year as well.) Seven of his last 8 first round picks were used on the D and Reiss would have him use yet another this year if we had it, and he did use his highest pick this year on the D. It's laughable. I think 60 of the top 80 plyers rated were on defense They did get what is now being said is A very good versatile smart lineman And 2wrs from pro systems and the FA lick ups rbs seem to be totally the lowest on the draft pecking order. Idk even how to rate them If the Pat Offense is once again in the top 3 then it doesn't matter who he picks when The ? Is is the oline fixed Idk yet
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Post by thehub on May 1, 2016 12:34:53 GMT -5
Bottom line, BB reached yet again. It's what he does. He also puts the team the in playoffs every year except 2008. Even then 11-5 should have been good enough. BB is the man!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 12:36:54 GMT -5
Bottom line, BB reached yet again. It's what he does. He also puts the team the in playoffs every year except 2008. Even then 11-5 should have been good enough. BB is the man! Did "he"? 11-5 wasn't enough when the previously 1-15 Dolphins won our division.
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Post by kjfitone on May 1, 2016 21:54:31 GMT -5
Bottom line, BB reached yet again. It's what he does. As long as he keeps contending for and winning championships he can draft whoever he wants. He's got to be doing something right and please, it isn't all because of Tom Brady. Belichick is the top rated GM or among the top few in every publication I've seen.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 0:35:19 GMT -5
It is absolutely astonishing that BB has used his last TWO first round picks on the DL, yet Reiss is claiming he should have used our first round pick on the DL this year (if we had one). This is how the greatest GM of all-time operates? LOL (Not to mention throwing a 3rd rounder DL in the mix last year as well.) Seven of his last 8 first round picks were used on the D and Reiss would have him use yet another this year if we had it, and he did use his highest pick this year on the D. It's laughable. I think 60 of the top 80 plyers rated were on defense They did get what is now being said is A very good versatile smart lineman And 2wrs from pro systems and the FA lick ups rbs seem to be totally the lowest on the draft pecking order. Idk even how to rate them If the Pat Offense is once again in the top 3 then it doesn't matter who he picks when The ? Is is the oline fixed Idk yet An offense with Brady and Gronk is apt to be at the top end even with a most mediocre supporting cast. That's just common sense. How many average offensive teams would take a quantum leap forward with those two added?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 0:37:43 GMT -5
Bottom line, BB reached yet again. It's what he does. As long as he keeps contending for and winning championships he can draft whoever he wants. He's got to be doing something right and please, it isn't all because of Tom Brady. Belichick is the top rated GM or among the top few in every publication I've seen. As long as he has Brady, yes. There are no significantly credible publications that have rated BB among the top few. A few blogger types have done that. He has never won exec of the year.
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Post by Ram on May 2, 2016 2:23:16 GMT -5
As long as he keeps contending for and winning championships he can draft whoever he wants. He's got to be doing something right and please, it isn't all because of Tom Brady. Belichick is the top rated GM or among the top few in every publication I've seen. As long as he has Brady, yes. There are no significantly credible publications that have rated BB among the top few. A few blogger types have done that. He has never won exec of the year. "Credible" is your out word there in case you get called out on this opinion/shot in the dark comment that holds no water. Most of the best NFL publications that bother to rate GM's put him somewhere between 3-10. He is almost always ranked in the top 1/3. Gimme a break with any jive saying he is even bottom 1/2. He's nailed 90% of his 1st rd picks and 70% of his 2nd rd picks. He plucks gems on day 3 in almost every draft. He struggles with two things as a GM. 1. Not spending an extra couple of million in free agency to get 1-2 difference makers rather than 3-4 mediocre guys who plug holes and who he plans to (and often does) 'coach up' 2. The 3rd rd of the draft has given him trouble for some reason and he always seems to have 2+ picks in it. But, he often seems to use it (as well as the 2nd) to reward great character guys who most think will go later and to give a big middle finger to the Kiper's and the fans who think they know more than him, which is just his old school way and you gotta deal with it even when your binky draft picks outperforms his reach pick. Oh well. I think we can handle that when his rosters still win 11-13 games every year and won 25% of the Super Bowl's since he took over. Don't you? You do know that Kraft had to give him the GM power to get him to leave NY and become the coach here right? 13 playoff appearances in 16 years and 4 rings. And you have the gall to insult him as a GM while being ok with him at coach? Umm, you have to accept him as BOTH b/c that is the only way he was ever going to come here and yeah maybe we left 1-2 Super Bowl's on the table, that were more the fault of freak catches/easy drops and Belichick the COACH being outcoached (or refs in Indy in '06) but really, you pissing and crying about his GM performance is tiresome. He wouldn't be coach if he wasn't GM and he does a top 10 job there to begin with. End of Story.
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Post by patslifer on May 2, 2016 8:54:40 GMT -5
We will just have wait and see if a light goes on in Valentine's head What makes me happy about this draft? They got an olineman who is not a project, kudos PatsEng They hav LP LPe an elite returner They drafted for next year, especially with all our players coming off I I don't know what to say about the qb? NE isn't accurate on short passes per Patspulpit, But had 60% completions.And he is athleticnd big. We will never see another TB and I hope when jg leaves he does nfc My initial impression is that Houston and Tennessee helped themsel es the most Reiss didn't say if Faulk was then told o take #12 off? Bet he was What do you mean by light goes on in Valentine's head? does he have motivation issues? Everything I read on the kid is that he is a strong force inside and can routinely take on doubles while providing a little push inside as well. Last year he had the high ankle sprain. Year before that he had a good year and probably would have replicated it if he was healthy this past year....My personal opinion is BB took him a round or 2 too high, but it is what it is. Thuney is going to be good. I think they will groom him for the RT position out of the gate. Yes he played LT last year and played it well, but I don't know if he has the feet/length to play LT in the pros. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 10:08:16 GMT -5
As long as he has Brady, yes. There are no significantly credible publications that have rated BB among the top few. A few blogger types have done that. He has never won exec of the year. "Credible" is your out word there in case you get called out on this opinion/shot in the dark comment that holds no water. Most of the best NFL publications that bother to rate GM's put him somewhere between 3-10. He is almost always ranked in the top 1/3. Gimme a break with any jive saying he is even bottom 1/2. He's nailed 90% of his 1st rd picks and 70% of his 2nd rd picks. He plucks gems on day 3 in almost every draft. He struggles with two things as a GM. 1. Not spending an extra couple of million in free agency to get 1-2 difference makers rather than 3-4 mediocre guys who plug holes and who he plans to (and often does) 'coach up' 2. The 3rd rd of the draft has given him trouble for some reason and he always seems to have 2+ picks in it. But, he often seems to use it (as well as the 2nd) to reward great character guys who most think will go later and to give a big middle finger to the Kiper's and the fans who think they know more than him, which is just his old school way and you gotta deal with it even when your binky draft picks outperforms his reach pick. Oh well. I think we can handle that when his rosters still win 11-13 games every year and won 25% of the Super Bowl's since he took over. Don't you? You do know that Kraft had to give him the GM power to get him to leave NY and become the coach here right? 13 playoff appearances in 16 years and 4 rings. And you have the gall to insult him as a GM while being ok with him at coach? Umm, you have to accept him as BOTH b/c that is the only way he was ever going to come here and yeah maybe we left 1-2 Super Bowl's on the table, that were more the fault of freak catches/easy drops and Belichick the COACH being outcoached (or refs in Indy in '06) but really, you pissing and crying about his GM performance is tiresome. He wouldn't be coach if he wasn't GM and he does a top 10 job there to begin with. End of Story. Refer me to any big-time pundits that have rated BB a top GM. I have yet to see one. I do know he has never won exec of the year. He does fairly well in the first round. The rest is a cornucopia of screwups. Of course he wins 11-13 games a year, he has Brady. A bunch of guys could do that with Brady. Your the one pissing and crying about me being honest about BB. LOL
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Post by pezz4pats on May 2, 2016 10:15:33 GMT -5
As long as he has Brady, yes. There are no significantly credible publications that have rated BB among the top few. A few blogger types have done that. He has never won exec of the year. "Credible" is your out word there in case you get called out on this opinion/shot in the dark comment that holds no water. Most of the best NFL publications that bother to rate GM's put him somewhere between 3-10. He is almost always ranked in the top 1/3. Gimme a break with any jive saying he is even bottom 1/2. He's nailed 90% of his 1st rd picks and 70% of his 2nd rd picks. He plucks gems on day 3 in almost every draft. He struggles with two things as a GM. 1. Not spending an extra couple of million in free agency to get 1-2 difference makers rather than 3-4 mediocre guys who plug holes and who he plans to (and often does) 'coach up' 2. The 3rd rd of the draft has given him trouble for some reason and he always seems to have 2+ picks in it. But, he often seems to use it (as well as the 2nd) to reward great character guys who most think will go later and to give a big middle finger to the Kiper's and the fans who think they know more than him, which is just his old school way and you gotta deal with it even when your binky draft picks outperforms his reach pick. Oh well. I think we can handle that when his rosters still win 11-13 games every year and won 25% of the Super Bowl's since he took over. Don't you? You do know that Kraft had to give him the GM power to get him to leave NY and become the coach here right? 13 playoff appearances in 16 years and 4 rings. And you have the gall to insult him as a GM while being ok with him at coach? Umm, you have to accept him as BOTH b/c that is the only way he was ever going to come here and yeah maybe we left 1-2 Super Bowl's on the table, that were more the fault of freak catches/easy drops and Belichick the COACH being outcoached (or refs in Indy in '06) but really, you pissing and crying about his GM performance is tiresome. He wouldn't be coach if he wasn't GM and he does a top 10 job there to begin with. End of Story. Dude, it's OK to have s difference of opinion but at least try to be accurate. Bbs second round picks are closer to a 70% BUST, not hit rate. Of 22 picks only 6 could be considered great to exceptionally with 5 being just OK and a whopping 11 were total busts. Third round, who are these gems you mentioned? Only Kazar and Logan Ryan, and riddley out of 17 picks? Do you apply the same standard of greatness to other teams GMs? I wonder..... Yes we know the GM and HC are one of the same, but there's a reason that's not the norm. I think BB the coach could construct a team with any group of players before him but often wonder if he'd have the same success by throwing darts at 5 names on a dart board per (especially) 2nd and third rounds. And yes, having the GOAT QB & HC at his disposal does account for the teams success much more likely than 30 busts in the 2/3 rounds.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 10:21:50 GMT -5
"Credible" is your out word there in case you get called out on this opinion/shot in the dark comment that holds no water. Most of the best NFL publications that bother to rate GM's put him somewhere between 3-10. He is almost always ranked in the top 1/3. Gimme a break with any jive saying he is even bottom 1/2. He's nailed 90% of his 1st rd picks and 70% of his 2nd rd picks. He plucks gems on day 3 in almost every draft. He struggles with two things as a GM. 1. Not spending an extra couple of million in free agency to get 1-2 difference makers rather than 3-4 mediocre guys who plug holes and who he plans to (and often does) 'coach up' 2. The 3rd rd of the draft has given him trouble for some reason and he always seems to have 2+ picks in it. But, he often seems to use it (as well as the 2nd) to reward great character guys who most think will go later and to give a big middle finger to the Kiper's and the fans who think they know more than him, which is just his old school way and you gotta deal with it even when your binky draft picks outperforms his reach pick. Oh well. I think we can handle that when his rosters still win 11-13 games every year and won 25% of the Super Bowl's since he took over. Don't you? You do know that Kraft had to give him the GM power to get him to leave NY and become the coach here right? 13 playoff appearances in 16 years and 4 rings. And you have the gall to insult him as a GM while being ok with him at coach? Umm, you have to accept him as BOTH b/c that is the only way he was ever going to come here and yeah maybe we left 1-2 Super Bowl's on the table, that were more the fault of freak catches/easy drops and Belichick the COACH being outcoached (or refs in Indy in '06) but really, you pissing and crying about his GM performance is tiresome. He wouldn't be coach if he wasn't GM and he does a top 10 job there to begin with. End of Story. Third round, who are these gems you mentioned? Only Kazar and Logan Ryan, and riddley out of 17 picks? Wow, you are being rather generous calling any those three as good picks, lol. They were filler at best.
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Post by pezz4pats on May 2, 2016 10:30:59 GMT -5
Third round, who are these gems you mentioned? Only Kazar and Logan Ryan, and riddley out of 17 picks? Wow, you are being rather generous calling any those three as good picks, lol. They were filler at best. Ya, that was kind of my point. What gems? Those are the best of the 3rd rounders which is quite dismal by any standard.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 10:33:26 GMT -5
Wow, you are being rather generous calling any those three as good picks, lol. They were filler at best. Ya, that was kind of my point. What gems? Those are the best of the 3rd rounders which is quite dismal by any standard. Can you imagine if Rex Ryan drafted the exact same players in the first 3 rounds over the years how the homers would rip him? LOL They would be putting most of his picks in the thread of laughs!
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Post by jedediah10 on May 2, 2016 10:42:56 GMT -5
Ya, that was kind of my point. What gems? Those are the best of the 3rd rounders which is quite dismal by any standard. Can you imagine if Rex Ryan drafted the exact same players in the first 3 rounds over the years how the homers would rip him? LOL They would be putting most of his picks in the thread of laughs! I'm sorry - but, I'll take Bill's draft selections over Ryan's any day of the week. Bill's selections may make no sense to us and may not always be the popular picks but the TEAM he puts on the field EVERY year is at the very top of every rational person's standings. That to me is what matters.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 10:47:28 GMT -5
Can you imagine if Rex Ryan drafted the exact same players in the first 3 rounds over the years how the homers would rip him? LOL They would be putting most of his picks in the thread of laughs! I'm sorry - but, I'll take Bill's draft selections over Ryan's any day of the week. Bill's selections may make no sense to us and may not always be the popular picks but the TEAM he puts on the field EVERY year is at the very top of every rational person's standings. That to me is what matters. Yeah, Rexy would look real good if the team he put out had Brady, LOL. In fact, he said exactly that.
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Post by pezz4pats on May 2, 2016 10:59:31 GMT -5
Ya, that was kind of my point. What gems? Those are the best of the 3rd rounders which is quite dismal by any standard. Can you imagine if Rex Ryan drafted the exact same players in the first 3 rounds over the years how the homers would rip him? LOL They would be putting most of his picks in the thread of laughs! Yup, that's exactly why I mentioned applying the same standards to other GMs, in the next breath. They don't do it and if anything make a mockery of them. That bothers me. Some of BBS tendacies bother me. Most of his first round success is in the D line and occasionally O Line and that's great. However he reaches and gambles in the 2ND and 3Rd for the CBs QBs and WRs and very few if any, work out, having to rely heavily on FAs. Not QBs but the others. Like I said, throw darts. It's a crap shoot anyway. Eliminate the reaches and injury prone and you likely have better success. Sorry to offend anyone but that's just the way I feel about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 11:18:11 GMT -5
Can you imagine if Rex Ryan drafted the exact same players in the first 3 rounds over the years how the homers would rip him? LOL They would be putting most of his picks in the thread of laughs! Yup, that's exactly why I mentioned applying the same standards to other GMs, in the next breath. They don't do it and if anything make a mockery of them. That bothers me. Some of BBS tendacies bother me. Most of his first round success is in the D line and occasionally O Line and that's great. However he reaches and gambles in the 2ND and 3Rd for the CBs QBs and WRs and very few if any, work out, having to rely heavily on FAs. Not QBs but the others. Like I said, throw darts. It's a crap shoot anyway. Eliminate the reaches and injury prone and you likely have better success. Sorry to offend anyone but that's just the way I feel about it. I would have gladly liked to see him trade up over the years to target "sure thing" type guys instead of wasting numerous picks on busts. I remember a few years back seeing Robert Quinn drop out of the top 5 and screaming to trade up a few spots for him. But that really isn't BB's way. Just like with FAs, he likes to get as many guys as he can and hope somebody is a big surprise. That strategy really doesn't work that well, but he always has Brady to bail him out.
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