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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 3, 2024 17:00:08 GMT -5
I ultimately prefer Daniels over either, but between Maye and JJM I would definitely choose Maye. I get the people who want JJM, but for me, this is a pick you make with the emphasis on high upside vs high floor which is what I believe JJM would be. Maye has flaws, but most of them can be coached and if he develops a year behind Jacoby, he has probably the highest ceiling out of any of the QBs. To me, JJM gives me Mac PTSD (though I acknowledge that JJM is better athletically) because a lot of draft people were saying the same things about Mac that their now saying about McCarthy (winner, leader, hard worker, coaches love him, won national championship, etc.) Maye over McCarthy for me as well. I just do not buy the arguments for favoring JJM. 1) JJM is a winner: Well, so was Mac Jones. JJM and Mac actually share a unique achievement in college football. Both were undefeated on their championship-winning seasons. Mac Jones actually played a bigger role in their undefeated season. The corollary to this reasoning is that Mahomes, who was 12-13 in his last two years in college could not be as good as either of JJM or Mac Jones. 2) He did not carry his team because he was not asked to: MI had such a dominant run game that JJM did not have to win the game with his arm. But when he needed to make the passes, he made them. Favorite thing that JJM people like to throw out there is his 3rd down conversion. Well, maybe, just maybe... MI's run game was so dominant that it was the biggest concern for opposing Ds. I believe that, when game planning against MI, most opposing defenses spent so much time focusing on how to defend against MI's run game - i.e., preparations for defending against MI's passing game was more of an afterthought... Most especially after the PSU game. What would happen if he had to carry a team against a defense that actually had a real plan for defending the pass?
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Post by mthurl on Apr 4, 2024 3:54:58 GMT -5
I saw this YouTube short yesterday, it showed Daniels walking through the end zone at LSU pregame warmups in a t-shirt…all the talk about this kid being to slight and small is 1,000% dead on accurate. Holy crap! This guy is built like a 12 year old. Honestly, I didn’t realize he was that thin. I know he weighed 210 at his pro day, but they are now saying the weigh in was total BS and he is now much lighter. These guys can manipulate weight by 10-15 pounds in a day (up or down)+- with water manipulation. Easily. I think this kid might drop in the draft. Could be wrong.
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Post by johngrant on Apr 4, 2024 8:01:27 GMT -5
I saw this YouTube short yesterday, it showed Daniels walking through the end zone at LSU pregame warmups in a t-shirt…all the talk about this kid being to slight and small is 1,000% dead on accurate. Holy crap! This guy is built like a 12 year old. Honestly, I didn’t realize he was that thin. I know he weighed 210 at his pro day, but they are now saying the weigh in was total BS and he is now much lighter. These guys can manipulate weight by 10-15 pounds in a day (up or down)+- with water manipulation. Easily. I think this kid might drop in the draft. Could be wrong. youtu.be/G5BUcV_liyc?si=S-u1Mjxnmi6W30czThis guy had a long career at Safety built like this. Cunningham tore up a knee but that was in the pocket and not running.
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Post by fisher on Apr 4, 2024 9:48:28 GMT -5
This debate will go on until the draft but if you without any bias list on one side the pro’s and on the other the cons … see if they match up to your opinions.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 4, 2024 16:01:50 GMT -5
I saw this YouTube short yesterday, it showed Daniels walking through the end zone at LSU pregame warmups in a t-shirt…all the talk about this kid being to slight and small is 1,000% dead on accurate. Holy crap! This guy is built like a 12 year old. Honestly, I didn’t realize he was that thin. I know he weighed 210 at his pro day, but they are now saying the weigh in was total BS and he is now much lighter. These guys can manipulate weight by 10-15 pounds in a day (up or down)+- with water manipulation. Easily. I think this kid might drop in the draft. Could be wrong. youtu.be/G5BUcV_liyc?si=S-u1Mjxnmi6W30czThis guy had a long career at Safety built like this. Cunningham tore up a knee but that was in the pocket and not running. Merton Hanks was a good player, he also was not a quarterback. Cunningham would be a good comp but then again this time three years ago we were comparing Mac Jones to Drew Brees, saying…his arm isn’t that strong and look at him. There will always be outliers.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 4, 2024 16:03:59 GMT -5
Merton Hanks was a good player, he also was not a quarterback. Cunningham would be a good comp but then again this time three years ago we were comparing Mac Jones to Drew Brees, saying…his arm isn’t that strong and look at him. There will always be outliers. why am I watching Merton Hanks video highlights?
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Post by johngrant on Apr 4, 2024 16:06:38 GMT -5
Merton Hanks was a good player, he also was not a quarterback. Cunningham would be a good comp but then again this time three years ago we were comparing Mac Jones to Drew Brees, saying…his arm isn’t that strong and look at him. There will always be outliers. I was just implying that Hanks had a slight build and seemingly long neck and had a great career at Safety back when they were expected to hit over the middle, big time collisions. Not sure on cunninghams weight but he looked to me not much over 200lbs at 6’4+.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 4, 2024 16:07:52 GMT -5
Merton Hanks was a good player, he also was not a quarterback. Cunningham would be a good comp but then again this time three years ago we were comparing Mac Jones to Drew Brees, saying…his arm isn’t that strong and look at him. There will always be outliers. I was just implying that Hanks had a slight build and seemingly long neck and had a great career at Safety back when they were expected to hit over the middle, big time collisions. Not sure on cunninghams weight but he looked to me not much over 200lbs at 6’4+. who is CUNNINGHAM?
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Post by johngrant on Apr 4, 2024 16:09:54 GMT -5
I was just implying that Hanks had a slight build and seemingly long neck and had a great career at Safety back when they were expected to hit over the middle, big time collisions. Not sure on cunninghams weight but he looked to me not much over 200lbs at 6’4+. who is CUNNINGHAM? A football player from the 90s. Probably before your time.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 4, 2024 16:11:15 GMT -5
Maye in the building tomorrow for his visit
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Post by backbay on Apr 4, 2024 16:18:50 GMT -5
I saw this YouTube short yesterday, it showed Daniels walking through the end zone at LSU pregame warmups in a t-shirt…all the talk about this kid being to slight and small is 1,000% dead on accurate. Holy crap! This guy is built like a 12 year old. Honestly, I didn’t realize he was that thin. I know he weighed 210 at his pro day, but they are now saying the weigh in was total BS and he is now much lighter. These guys can manipulate weight by 10-15 pounds in a day (up or down)+- with water manipulation. Easily. I think this kid might drop in the draft. Could be wrong. do you have a link?
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Post by backbay on Apr 4, 2024 16:20:37 GMT -5
A football player from the 90s. Probably before your time. 6'4", 216 lbs
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Post by backbay on Apr 4, 2024 16:21:38 GMT -5
Maye in the building tomorrow for his visit well, they should do their due diligence.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 4, 2024 16:31:44 GMT -5
I saw this YouTube short yesterday, it showed Daniels walking through the end zone at LSU pregame warmups in a t-shirt…all the talk about this kid being to slight and small is 1,000% dead on accurate. Holy crap! This guy is built like a 12 year old. Honestly, I didn’t realize he was that thin. I know he weighed 210 at his pro day, but they are now saying the weigh in was total BS and he is now much lighter. These guys can manipulate weight by 10-15 pounds in a day (up or down)+- with water manipulation. Easily. I think this kid might drop in the draft. Could be wrong. New hip drop tackle rules will help him.
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Post by CWTB on Apr 4, 2024 23:07:42 GMT -5
Age and games started huge for me. Be careful for that Covid year. Lot of padded stats this year. 28 games started just turned 21 Jan. For McCarthy 25 games started will be 22 in Nov. For Maye 45 games started will be 24 week after Draft for Penix. 54 games started will 24 in Dec. for Daniels. 61 games started just turned 24 in Feb. for Nix. Which QB's have the ceiling heading into the NFL? To me it's only Maye and McCarthy. At 24 years old Tom Brady won a Super Bowl.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 5, 2024 0:00:25 GMT -5
Good the Pats did not draft Burrow (23 yrs and 5 mos on draft day).
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Post by CWTB on Apr 5, 2024 1:18:52 GMT -5
Good the Pats did not draft Burrow (23 yrs and 5 mos on draft day). He only started 28 games, big difference there too. He was in limbo at Ohio St.
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Post by CWTB on Apr 5, 2024 1:38:50 GMT -5
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Post by mthurl on Apr 5, 2024 3:59:48 GMT -5
Merton Hanks was a good player, he also was not a quarterback. Cunningham would be a good comp but then again this time three years ago we were comparing Mac Jones to Drew Brees, saying…his arm isn’t that strong and look at him. There will always be outliers. I was just implying that Hanks had a slight build and seemingly long neck and had a great career at Safety back when they were expected to hit over the middle, big time collisions. Not sure on cunninghams weight but he looked to me not much over 200lbs at 6’4+. Yeah I figured, my point was that Hanks didn’t have 11 guys trying to tackle or sack him on every play. Cunningham was definitely a stick, and Daniels has been compared to him. I can definitely see that comparison.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 5, 2024 4:13:10 GMT -5
I saw this YouTube short yesterday, it showed Daniels walking through the end zone at LSU pregame warmups in a t-shirt…all the talk about this kid being to slight and small is 1,000% dead on accurate. Holy crap! This guy is built like a 12 year old. Honestly, I didn’t realize he was that thin. I know he weighed 210 at his pro day, but they are now saying the weigh in was total BS and he is now much lighter. These guys can manipulate weight by 10-15 pounds in a day (up or down)+- with water manipulation. Easily. I think this kid might drop in the draft. Could be wrong. do you have a link? I just tried to find it, I can’t seem to search YouTube shorts even when I searched “Jayden Daniels” in the search bar. There are so many videos on Jayden that the shirts are impossible to navigate. If I find it I’ll post it. Edit — I couldn’t find it, but I did find another pregame short clip. This one he doesn’t look as paper thin as the other but he’s still damn skinny in even this one. youtube.com/shorts/5xpFV5XHVnA?si=QVMv8PFj9Sf-n2of
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 5, 2024 8:05:00 GMT -5
I feel like the convo on JJM has turned to "he's a winner, but so was Mac", while ignoring that physically, he can do everything Maye can... but has been more efficient than the latter, and there isn't even a huge difference in size. 6-4 223 vs. 6-2.5 219
It's a fun topic, as there seems to be a split amongst the fanbase on who they prefer, and y'all know I'm team JJ Foxboro.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 5, 2024 9:07:13 GMT -5
my novice opinion- Maye has much more arm talent than JJM. Maye can and has carried a team. JJM never had to carry those Mich teams. Maye struggles with mechanics, causing him to throw with out accuracy. he sometimes shows happy feet under pressure
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 5, 2024 10:41:40 GMT -5
Listening to people really close to the draft process and teams makes things sound like it’s been Williams, Daniels, Maye since the start of the draft process and it hasn’t changed. The JJM talk is being over hyped and the Vikings won’t have to move to get him.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 5, 2024 10:45:31 GMT -5
my novice opinion- Maye has much more arm talent than JJM. Maye can and has carried a team. JJM never had to carry those Mich teams. Maye struggles with mechanics, causing him to throw with out accuracy. he sometimes shows happy feet under pressure could you see Washington taking Maye and the Patriots taking Daniels? I don’t think JJ is picked in the top 10.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 5, 2024 11:44:42 GMT -5
my novice opinion- Maye has much more arm talent than JJM. Maye can and has carried a team. JJM never had to carry those Mich teams. Maye struggles with mechanics, causing him to throw with out accuracy. he sometimes shows happy feet under pressure could you see Washington taking Maye and the Patriots taking Daniels? I don’t think JJ is picked in the top 10. yes. not sure Daniels and the Pats are the perfect fit, which then opens a trade down if Maye, I think the Pats no doubt choose him if not Maye, they explore options
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