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Post by lioneljoe on Apr 4, 2024 18:05:31 GMT -5
According to Tom Curran, Belichick wanted to make Jones "disappear" the last part of the season by putting him on IR. Belichick must have held the Mac Jones whining to coaches outside the Patriots organization and never let it go. Both Belichick and Mac were highly dysfunctional by the end of last season and I am sure Kraft had a role in the mess as well. However, now that Jones and Belichick are gone, Kraft's misfunctions are becoming a bit more obvious since he can no longer hide behind the malfeasance of Jones and Belichick. nesn.com/2024/03/patriots-rumors-mac-jones-refused-this-idea-after-benching/ |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 4, 2024 18:15:07 GMT -5
Does this surprise anyone?
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Post by lioneljoe on Apr 4, 2024 18:25:59 GMT -5
Does this surprise anyone? Not me, we all new that Bill Belichick can be vindictive towards players who step out of line for violate his expectations. Malcom Butler at the Super Bowl. Wes Welker and his foot fetish comments ridiculing Rex Ryan before the 2010 divisional playoff game against the Jets? Mac was doomed as soon as he sought advice from coaches outside the Patriots organization. |
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Post by zenape on Apr 4, 2024 18:37:29 GMT -5
If ALL the blame could be solely put at the feet of BB then maybe Jones would have had a shot under new management. But it wasn't just an issue with the coach, even as surprisingly petty as BB took it. The players didn't like Jones's attitude, and he had lost the locker room as well. Mac slit his own throat with more than just BB the moment he decided to play reindeer games and start using the back stairs to Krafts office, as well as reaching out to outside the organization for help. He came off as a whiny little B, and that has never helped anyone in the NFL.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 4, 2024 19:02:09 GMT -5
If true, I don't have and issue with BB wanting to disappear Mac, if he was acting like a bozo.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 4, 2024 21:01:10 GMT -5
Does this surprise anyone? Not me, we all new that Bill Belichick can be vindictive towards players who step out of line for violate his expectations. Malcom Butler at the Super Bowl. Wes Welker and his foot fetish comments ridiculing Rex Ryan before the 2010 divisional playoff game against the Jets? Mac was doomed as soon as he sought advice from coaches outside the Patriots organization. what did Malcolm Butler do? |
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Post by lioneljoe on Apr 4, 2024 21:22:01 GMT -5
Not me, we all new that Bill Belichick can be vindictive towards players who step out of line for violate his expectations. Malcom Butler at the Super Bowl. Wes Welker and his foot fetish comments ridiculing Rex Ryan before the 2010 divisional playoff game against the Jets? Mac was doomed as soon as he sought advice from coaches outside the Patriots organization. what did Malcolm Butler do? Yes… what did he do? He did do something…. Something that pissed off Belichick so much that he benched former Super Bowl hero in a Super Bowl. We may never know why but Belichick’s pattern of behavior is clear. |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 4, 2024 21:49:29 GMT -5
According to Tom Curran, Belichick wanted to make Jones "disappear" the last part of the season by putting him on IR. Belichick must have held the Mac Jones whining to coaches outside the Patriots organization and never let it go. Both Belichick and Mac were highly dysfunctional by the end of last season and I am sure Kraft had a role in the mess as well. However, now that Jones and Belichick are gone, Kraft's misfunctions are becoming a bit more obvious since he can no longer hide behind the malfeasance of Jones and Belichick. nesn.com/2024/03/patriots-rumors-mac-jones-refused-this-idea-after-benching/If you never wanted Mac to begin with, but collaboration saddled you with him anyway, and were willing to give him a chance... but he sucked... it's what you'd want to do also. |
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Post by fisher on Apr 5, 2024 3:50:21 GMT -5
If true, I don't have and issue with BB wanting to disappear Mac, if he was acting like a bozo. Both were at fault and both are gone…always do what’s best for the team. |
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Post by fisher on Apr 5, 2024 3:54:08 GMT -5
Here’s wishing BB’s new book is a success @nd he gets his Pod up and running… here’s wishing Mac gets a second chance with a coach or coaches that know how to work with QB’s.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 5, 2024 4:10:59 GMT -5
I’m looking forward to Jones destroying the Jaguars next, he’ll be up the back stairs to the owner in no time once he realizes the Trevor Lawrence is better than him and he isn’t getting enough snaps. And believe me, this bipolar knucklehead believes he will be starting in Jacksonville…he even let it slip in his introductory press conference that his grandma has never seen him play live, and they’ll have to get her to a game. Uhm, dumbo, you won’t be playing unless it’s preseason or Trevor gets severely injured (and if I’m Trevor I watch out for those knives coming at my back).
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Post by lioneljoe on Apr 5, 2024 4:18:21 GMT -5
According to Tom Curran, Belichick wanted to make Jones "disappear" the last part of the season by putting him on IR. Belichick must have held the Mac Jones whining to coaches outside the Patriots organization and never let it go. Both Belichick and Mac were highly dysfunctional by the end of last season and I am sure Kraft had a role in the mess as well. However, now that Jones and Belichick are gone, Kraft's misfunctions are becoming a bit more obvious since he can no longer hide behind the malfeasance of Jones and Belichick. nesn.com/2024/03/patriots-rumors-mac-jones-refused-this-idea-after-benching/If you never wanted Mac to begin with, but collaboration saddled you with him anyway, and were willing to give him a chance... but he sucked... it's what you'd want to do also. LoL and now Belichick is writing a tell all book while Mac Jones is rapping, while holding a clipboard. Welcome to the NFL 2024. Who would have that a year ago? |
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Post by lioneljoe on Apr 5, 2024 4:23:55 GMT -5
Here’s wishing BB’s new book is a success @nd he gets his Pod up and running… here’s wishing Mac gets a second chance with a coach or coaches that know how to work with QB’s. Bill’s book could be really interesting if he takes hi shots back at the Krafts (I don’t think he will). As for Mac, he is going to be fighting for a backup job on a Jaguars roster with 3 other QBs, his career is at the point where it won’t matter who is coaches are, they won’t have much time to develop him. |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 5, 2024 6:07:05 GMT -5
how is taking a #1 draft pick, who 24 months prior was in the pro bowl and was AFC offensive rookie of the year, and in a mere 24 months cratering his value, in the best interests of the team?
if Bill stayed, surely an off season trade for Mac was in the cards. Mac wasn't like Corral, Grier and Zippy. released and no one bites with a claim. Mac was on every teams board as a top 30 draft choice 2 years prior. a 3rd, 4th or 5th could be had given timing if properly handled.
this forum should reference "the two Bill's"
the Bill with Brady that was two steps ahead of the league, the best HC in sports and a solid, middle of the road GM. post Brady, Bill was a vindictive, ego driven HC that was a defensive master, that could no longer figure out the offensive side of the ball.
as a GM, the game had changed and he did not, would not or could not. regardless he did not.
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Post by philskiw on Apr 5, 2024 6:21:39 GMT -5
Ernie Adams didn’t think the game passed bill by. I’ll take his word over someone that hates BB
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Post by fisher on Apr 5, 2024 6:42:11 GMT -5
Ernie Adams didn’t think the game passed bill by. I’ll take his word over someone that hates BB If it didn’t pass him by, what are the reasons for this team so short on talent? Along with drafting and overall player evaluation. |
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Post by philskiw on Apr 5, 2024 7:14:47 GMT -5
Ernie Adams didn’t think the game passed bill by. I’ll take his word over someone that hates BB If it didn’t pass him by, what are the reasons for this team so short on talent? Along with drafting and overall player evaluation. id say injuries and a bad QB. |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 5, 2024 7:21:47 GMT -5
According to Tom Curran, Belichick wanted to make Jones "disappear" the last part of the season by putting him on IR. Belichick must have held the Mac Jones whining to coaches outside the Patriots organization and never let it go. Both Belichick and Mac were highly dysfunctional by the end of last season and I am sure Kraft had a role in the mess as well. However, now that Jones and Belichick are gone, Kraft's misfunctions are becoming a bit more obvious since he can no longer hide behind the malfeasance of Jones and Belichick. nesn.com/2024/03/patriots-rumors-mac-jones-refused-this-idea-after-benching/If you never wanted Mac to begin with, but collaboration saddled you with him anyway, and were willing to give him a chance... but he sucked... it's what you'd want to do also. why do you continue to hang your hat on this nonsense? every football decision made, was made by Bill. period. Kraft asked/told him to listen to his people more. perhaps Bill did, perhaps Bill did not. at the end of the day, it was Bill's, and only Bill's decision. even today, I am sure each regional scout submits their work. Groh, WIlliams, Highsmith, Wolf and Mayo will review, discuss, argue and agree. but at the end of the day, the final decision will be made by 1 person, Wolf. |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 5, 2024 7:29:15 GMT -5
Ernie Adams didn’t think the game passed bill by. I’ll take his word over someone that hates BB If it didn’t pass him by, what are the reasons for this team so short on talent? Along with drafting and overall player evaluation. 1) roster construction. Bill continued to build a middle class heavy on ST play when the league rules de emphasized ST and gave advantages to the offense. 2) coaching and personnel hires. too small a staff. people not qualified. reliance only on internal, home grown people. never brought in outside people for fresh perspectives 3) cap management was out dated 4) the league got faster and more athletic. the Pats were very late to adjust 5) drafted a QB that was unable to carry a team, but fielded an offense that needed to be carried. scheme, roster and player strengths never matched up the last 5 years |
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Post by section136 on Apr 5, 2024 8:04:39 GMT -5
If it didn’t pass him by, what are the reasons for this team so short on talent? Along with drafting and overall player evaluation. id say injuries and a bad QB. I agree 100% on injuries - especially on the line. But I don't think we shine the light on coaching as brightly as we should. The offensive coaching staff as a whole was a clown show in 2022 and 2023. Bill O'Brien was brought in to run the show yet not allowed to bring in any of "his" position guys - basically eliminating any chance for real change. McDaniels took significant coaching talent with him to Vegas and BB wasn't able to (or wasn't interested in) rebuilding it. You can put 11 very talented players on the field but without effective coaching and leadership you're going to get dysfunction. It may look like lack of talent but that's not the root of the problem.
I also don't believe Mac Jones sucks or is even a bad QB. I think he's an immature, snotty little twat but the problems on offense were much larger than him. Add to that that he's gone...no longer our problem and I'm confused as to why he is still a focus of threads here.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 5, 2024 8:09:25 GMT -5
Ernie Adams didn’t think the game passed bill by. I’ll take his word over someone that hates BB Did you really expect him to say that it did? I value results over what some guy says about another guy. |
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 5, 2024 9:32:26 GMT -5
If you never wanted Mac to begin with, but collaboration saddled you with him anyway, and were willing to give him a chance... but he sucked... it's what you'd want to do also. LoL and now Belichick is writing a tell all book while Mac Jones is rapping, while holding a clipboard. Welcome to the NFL 2024. Who would have that a year ago? I found it hilarious that Mac felt he couldn’t admit to “rapping” while in NE. The more I read about Mac, the more obvious it is that he’s insecure. A guy like that will never be a leader of men. That being said, I have zero issue with Mac. I wish he was a good leader and QB so the Pats could use that #3 pick on whatever they wanted. Now it appears they’re going to pick whatever QB is left standing at #3 which is a recipe for failure to me. Why settle for the guy that’s left when there’s top ranked positional players available? |
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Post by salcon on Apr 5, 2024 9:42:56 GMT -5
id say injuries and a bad QB. I agree 100% on injuries - especially on the line. But I don't think we shine the light on coaching as brightly as we should. The offensive coaching staff as a whole was a clown show in 2022 and 2023. Bill O'Brien was brought in to run the show yet not allowed to bring in any of "his" position guys - basically eliminating any chance for real change. McDaniels took significant coaching talent with him to Vegas and BB wasn't able to (or wasn't interested in) rebuilding it. You can put 11 very talented players on the field but without effective coaching and leadership you're going to get dysfunction. It may look like lack of talent but that's not the root of the problem.
I also don't believe Mac Jones sucks or is even a bad QB. I think he's an immature, snotty little twat but the problems on offense were much larger than him. Add to that that he's gone...no longer our problem and I'm confused as to why he is still a focus of threads here.
I always wondered why BOB wasn't allowed bring in his own guys. Did BB even want him as the OC or was that a Kraft pick? There are a lot of questions of decisions that BB made in his last few seasons that did not seem like him. I think the gist of it starts with the Mac Jones pick which I'm sure now that he never wanted but was forced on him by the collaboration/the Kraft's and things went downhill from there. |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 5, 2024 9:46:17 GMT -5
why do you continue to hang your hat on this nonsense? every football decision made, was made by Bill. period. Kraft asked/told him to listen to his people more. perhaps Bill did, perhaps Bill did not. at the end of the day, it was Bill's, and only Bill's decision. even today, I am sure each regional scout submits their work. Groh, WIlliams, Highsmith, Wolf and Mayo will review, discuss, argue and agree. but at the end of the day, the final decision will be made by 1 person, Wolf. Exact opposite of what you were saying in 2021 when Kraft held his press conference, total opposite of what Wickersham and other reporters are saying now... but you keep doing you. |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 5, 2024 9:48:31 GMT -5
I always wondered why BOB wasn't allowed bring in his own guys. Did BB even want him as the OC or was that a Kraft pick? There are a lot of questions of decisions that BB made in his last few seasons that did not seem like him. I think the gist of it starts with the Mac Jones pick which I'm sure now that he never wanted but was forced on him by the collaboration/the Kraft's and things went downhill from there. I think Kraft was looking for a BB succession plan in 2021 and that clashed with the status quo that existed. Pretty simple and clean explanation. If everyone isn't pulling in the same direction, what you end up with is the dysfunctional mess you saw last season. Team... or a lack of it. |
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