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Post by rkarp on Apr 8, 2024 7:21:48 GMT -5
-seeing Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings resign, reiterates the fact that prior management did hit on a number of draft picks. the last 5-7 years, they did not hit on enough, and if someone wants to label the 3 most important positions in the league today, QB, LT, WR, prior management missed on all of those the past 5-7 years.
-I also think it fair to question if prior management would have gone as high on any of these players as it took to sign them. allowing Thuney, Shaq, Karras to leave, when they could have easily been retained, forced the drafting of STrange, J Andrews, Sow, Mafi.
-for me, the only question on Dugger is seeing he best performs closer to the LOS, which is fine, but also overlaps where Peppers also performs best. with both of them on the field often, which is a good thing, there is a need for a true FS. I always thought Dugger could shine as a true FS, but the numbers say otherwise. wonder what Justin Simmons will cost?
-resigning "their own" also allows the team to still retain laser focus on QB, LT, WR in the draft.
- local Mass kid Sainstrill out of Michigan is someone I would look at if he is there at #103. CB needs some depth options imo.
-DUI for UT DT Sweat. does that have him dropping in the draft? again, at #103 I would have interest
-I have been all over the place on the draft, evenif only for some fun discussion. at the moment I am locked in on Maye over Daniels and over a trade down. I would then be in on Daniels if Maye is gone, unless a really over whelming offer is on the table. I would think the LVR would be the ones offering the most, although they have some work to do to get additional draft picks to offer this season.
-I think part of the teams goals for this season is upgrading team unity and morale. Bourne, Onwenu, Dugger, Jennnings now muct become vocal leaders. removing Mac also sent a strong message.
-Zappe of Rourke if the team keeps 3 QB's. who ya got?
-If indeed Bill is writing a book, does anyone honestly believe he will spill any inside intel?
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Post by wazzu on Apr 8, 2024 8:23:17 GMT -5
It’s amusing to me how badly some people seem to crave “inside intel”. Some people seem to for some reason feel that they are entitled to know all the inner-workings of the past 20-25 years of the Patriots organization, and since they don’t know, they make wild assumptions and present them as facts because in their own heads they are so sure that their guesswork is correct. I don’t know why people can’t be satisfied with saying, “there is so much that we don’t know, and so much that we will never know.” Just be thankful you got to see the ridiculous run of dominance that you saw. That was insane.
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Post by salcon on Apr 8, 2024 10:20:40 GMT -5
It’s amusing to me how badly some people seem to crave “inside intel”. Some people seem to for some reason feel that they are entitled to know all the inner-workings of the past 20-25 years of the Patriots organization, and since they don’t know, they make wild assumptions and present them as facts because in their own heads they are so sure that their guesswork is correct. I don’t know why people can’t be satisfied with saying, “there is so much that we don’t know, and so much that we will never know.” Just be thankful you got to see the ridiculous run of dominance that you saw. That was insane. You nailed it with that one word. This is what we're dealing with in this country. All the entitlement. Just because they have season tickets doesn't make them "entitled" to know everything that's going on behind the scenes. This team may not become a contender in the next year or two but at least the HC will be more forthcoming and friendly in his press conferences so that should make some fans happy. I'm sure Kraft can't wait for the next drafted QB to adopt as his own "son". |
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Post by lioneljoe on Apr 8, 2024 10:54:38 GMT -5
-seeing Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings resign, reiterates the fact that prior management did hit on a number of draft picks. the last 5-7 years, they did not hit on enough, and if someone wants to label the 3 most important positions in the league today, QB, LT, WR, prior management missed on all of those the past 5-7 years. -I also think it fair to question if prior management would have gone as high on any of these players as it took to sign them. allowing Thuney, Shaq, Karras to leave, when they could have easily been retained, forced the drafting of STrange, J Andrews, Sow, Mafi. -for me, the only question on Dugger is seeing he best performs closer to the LOS, which is fine, but also overlaps where Peppers also performs best. with both of them on the field often, which is a good thing, there is a need for a true FS. I always thought Dugger could shine as a true FS, but the numbers say otherwise. wonder what Justin Simmons will cost? -resigning "their own" also allows the team to still retain laser focus on QB, LT, WR in the draft. - local Mass kid Sainstrill out of Michigan is someone I would look at if he is there at #103. CB needs some depth options imo. -DUI for UT DT Sweat. does that have him dropping in the draft? again, at #103 I would have interest -I have been all over the place on the draft, evenif only for some fun discussion. at the moment I am locked in on Maye over Daniels and over a trade down. I would then be in on Daniels if Maye is gone, unless a really over whelming offer is on the table. I would think the LVR would be the ones offering the most, although they have some work to do to get additional draft picks to offer this season. -I think part of the teams goals for this season is upgrading team unity and morale. Bourne, Onwenu, Dugger, Jennnings now muct become vocal leaders. removing Mac also sent a strong message. -Zappe of Rourke if the team keeps 3 QB's. who ya got? -If indeed Bill is writing a book, does anyone honestly believe he will spill any inside intel? Zappe or Rourke ? I’m hope you hat Rourke makes the team. I think he has a higher upside potential than Zappe. |
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Post by patslifer on Apr 8, 2024 12:15:40 GMT -5
It’s amusing to me how badly some people seem to crave “inside intel”. Some people seem to for some reason feel that they are entitled to know all the inner-workings of the past 20-25 years of the Patriots organization, and since they don’t know, they make wild assumptions and present them as facts because in their own heads they are so sure that their guesswork is correct. I don’t know why people can’t be satisfied with saying, “there is so much that we don’t know, and so much that we will never know.” Just be thankful you got to see the ridiculous run of dominance that you saw. That was insane. You nailed it with that one word. This is what we're dealing with in this country. All the entitlement. Just because they have season tickets doesn't make them "entitled" to know everything that's going on behind the scenes. This team may not become a contender in the next year or two but at least the HC will be more forthcoming and friendly in his press conferences so that should make some fans happy. I'm sure Kraft can't wait for the next drafted QB to adopt as his own "son". What are you talking about? I have season tickets and have had them for 20 years and every once and a while they let me call in an offensive play. Don't you remember that pass from Edelman to Amendola? |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 8, 2024 12:40:05 GMT -5
It’s amusing to me how badly some people seem to crave “inside intel”. Some people seem to for some reason feel that they are entitled to know all the inner-workings of the past 20-25 years of the Patriots organization, and since they don’t know, they make wild assumptions and present them as facts because in their own heads they are so sure that their guesswork is correct. I don’t know why people can’t be satisfied with saying, “there is so much that we don’t know, and so much that we will never know.” Just be thankful you got to see the ridiculous run of dominance that you saw. That was insane. You nailed it with that one word. This is what we're dealing with in this country. All the entitlement. Just because they have season tickets doesn't make them "entitled" to know everything that's going on behind the scenes. This team may not become a contender in the next year or two but at least the HC will be more forthcoming and friendly in his press conferences so that should make some fans happy. I'm sure Kraft can't wait for the next drafted QB to adopt as his own "son". this is a foolish take for rabid fans to have an understanding of what happened to Anderson health wise, is something the team along with the player could inform. ditto Klemm. is it crazy to have an after game press conference and have it televised, and mumble thru a few "in the best interest of the team" half assed responses? no one is saying tell us the game plan before the game. |
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Post by salcon on Apr 8, 2024 13:26:29 GMT -5
Entitled ^^^^^^!
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Post by wazzu on Apr 8, 2024 13:54:56 GMT -5
You nailed it with that one word. This is what we're dealing with in this country. All the entitlement. Just because they have season tickets doesn't make them "entitled" to know everything that's going on behind the scenes. This team may not become a contender in the next year or two but at least the HC will be more forthcoming and friendly in his press conferences so that should make some fans happy. I'm sure Kraft can't wait for the next drafted QB to adopt as his own "son". this is a foolish take for rabid fans to have an understanding of what happened to Anderson health wise, is something the team along with the player could inform. ditto Klemm. is it crazy to have an after game press conference and have it televised, and mumble thru a few "in the best interest of the team" half assed responses? no one is saying tell us the game plan before the game. There is a lot that you just don’t need to know. And that you never will know. And that you’re not entitled to know. |
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Post by wazzu on Apr 8, 2024 14:09:47 GMT -5
Rkarp, please explain how Anderson’s health is anyone’s business other than his own, his families, and his employer (the team). Thanks.
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 8, 2024 14:31:01 GMT -5
Glad for the resignings, though I wouldn't have minded if Uche went elsewhere as I think he hit his ceiling a year ago, and I would have preferred they find a real FS in FA with their cap space and the talent available. I think they overpaid Dugger (need to see the real numbers) to keep him happy which is OK with their cap space.
People seem to forget that they tagged Thuney and signed Shaq to second contracts, and Karras was a nice emergency IOL in NE, but his primary position is center where Andrews has played 91% of the snaps since he left. He is 31, will be 32 if Andrews retires next year - you don't pay $6M/yr for a back up center to sit for two years. As for Shaq, after he signed for top of the market money, his play tailed off a bit, and BB traded him for a 5th and the Bucs trded him for a swap of 6th and 7th rounders a year later. Part of the reason they have all the cap they have this year is that they have had Onwenu and Strange on a rookie deals and are not paying Thuney $75M (through 2024) and Shaq $29.5M (through 2024) and Karras $18M (through 2024) - They have Strange, Onwenu, J. Andrews, Sow, and Mafi who combined have yet to cost as much as Karras has to Cinci. That is what you call roster management and kept the Patriots in the hunt for 20 year - you can complain about some of the moves, but you can't just pay everyone on a 53 man roster in the salary cap era.
That 'advance stat' of Dugger's effectiveness based on 7 feet of distance from the LOS is what I call useless information - personnel change all the time and so do defensive calls and offensive plays, and player performance year to year. Yes Dugger was less effective last year - I tend to think he just didn't perform very well and maybe Judon and Jones and Gonzales going down early had an effect as well - certainly more effect than 7 feet of turf. But yeah, we need a true free safety - maybe one of our speedy CBs can be converted.
I doubt Sweat falls to far - DUI isn't a good look but he didn't have an accident and I haven't seen speeding mentioned either. The immovable object DT is less prized than the collapse the pocket guys so he may not go as high as some think. I like him, and there seem to be other interesting DTs in that day 2 early day 3 range.
I think team morale is already improved with Mac gone and with BB and Mayo/JK not in the same building. It will depend on how well they complete the team build and then coach as to whether the improvement lasts.
If our third string QB is important to the team, then we are in line for the first pick next year! Couldn't care less on who he is unless they don't draft a QB at all in which case they may well be both on the team.
Not likely anything on the 'burning questions' people have will be in the book, but it should be an interesting read.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 8, 2024 15:13:40 GMT -5
1.)-seeing Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings resign, reiterates the fact that prior management did hit on a number of draft picks. the last 5-7 years, they did not hit on enough, and if someone wants to label the 3 most important positions in the league today, QB, LT, WR, prior management missed on all of those the past 5-7 years. RESPONSE: Yep. BB sucks. Right, Karpie? 2.)-I also think it fair to question if prior management would have gone as high on any of these players as it took to sign them. allowing Thuney, Shaq, Karras to leave, when they could have easily been retained, forced the drafting of Strange, J Andrews, Sow, Mafi. RESPONSE: Yep. BB sucks. Right, Karpie? 3.)-for me, the only question on Dugger is seeing he best performs closer to the LOS, which is fine, but also overlaps where Peppers also performs best. with both of them on the field often, which is a good thing, there is a need for a true FS. I always thought Dugger could shine as a true FS, but the numbers say otherwise. wonder what Justin Simmons will cost? RESPONSE: Is a hybrid safety/LB in today's game worth what the Patriots paid Dugger? 4.)-resigning "their own" also allows the team to still retain laser focus on QB, LT, WR in the draft. RESPONSE: It has nothing to do with it. Those three positions are the main weaknesses of this team that has to be addresses, irregardless of who the Patriots signed. Thus team should have traded for Justin Fields, and then traded down to fill dire needs on the OL and for a #1 WR. 5.)- local Mass kid Sainstrill out of Michigan is someone I would look at if he is there at #103. CB needs some depth options imo. RESPONSE: This 2024 edition lacks quality depth at nearly every position. 6.)-DUI for UT DT Sweat. does that have him dropping in the draft? again, at #103 I would have interest RESPONSE: Don't see him falling that far, despite the DUI. 7.)-I have been all over the place on the draft, even if only for some fun discussion. at the moment I am locked in on Maye over Daniels and over a trade down. I would then be in on Daniels if Maye is gone, unless a really over whelming offer is on the table. I would think the LVR would be the ones offering the most, although they have some work to do to get additional draft picks to offer this season. RESPONSE: Maye is getting criticized too much. Teams playing pre-draft games? I think so. My guess is that he'll to to Washington at #2 overall. 8.)-I think part of the teams goals for this season is upgrading team unity and morale. Bourne, Onwenu, Dugger, Jennnings now must become vocal leaders. removing Mac also sent a strong message. RESPONSE: Winning cures all ills. This team needs to stop easily accepting losing. Last year, this bunch seemed far more interested in cashing their checks than earning them. 9.)-Zappe of Rourke if the team keeps 3 QB's. who ya got? RESPONSE: Does it really matter? 10.)-If indeed Bill is writing a book, does anyone honestly believe he will spill any inside intel? RESPONSE: Yes. Bill is an honest guy. He'll admit that he sucks, and that the team's success was all Tom Brady. Right, Karpie? LOL!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 8, 2024 17:57:43 GMT -5
Glad for the resignings, though I wouldn't have minded if Uche went elsewhere as I think he hit his ceiling a year ago, and I would have preferred they find a real FS in FA with their cap space and the talent available. I think they overpaid Dugger (need to see the real numbers) to keep him happy which is OK with their cap space. People seem to forget that they tagged Thuney and signed Shaq to second contracts, and Karras was a nice emergency IOL in NE, but his primary position is center where Andrews has played 91% of the snaps since he left. He is 31, will be 32 if Andrews retires next year - you don't pay $6M/yr for a back up center to sit for two years. As for Shaq, after he signed for top of the market money, his play tailed off a bit, and BB traded him for a 5th and the Bucs trded him for a swap of 6th and 7th rounders a year later. Part of the reason they have all the cap they have this year is that they have had Onwenu and Strange on a rookie deals and are not paying Thuney $75M (through 2024) and Shaq $29.5M (through 2024) and Karras $18M (through 2024) - They have Strange, Onwenu, J. Andrews, Sow, and Mafi who combined have yet to cost as much as Karras has to Cinci. That is what you call roster management and kept the Patriots in the hunt for 20 year - you can complain about some of the moves, but you can't just pay everyone on a 53 man roster in the salary cap era. That 'advance stat' of Dugger's effectiveness based on 7 feet of distance from the LOS is what I call useless information - personnel change all the time and so do defensive calls and offensive plays, and player performance year to year. Yes Dugger was less effective last year - I tend to think he just didn't perform very well and maybe Judon and Jones and Gonzales going down early had an effect as well - certainly more effect than 7 feet of turf. But yeah, we need a true free safety - maybe one of our speedy CBs can be converted. I doubt Sweat falls to far - DUI isn't a good look but he didn't have an accident and I haven't seen speeding mentioned either. The immovable object DT is less prized than the collapse the pocket guys so he may not go as high as some think. I like him, and there seem to be other interesting DTs in that day 2 early day 3 range. I think team morale is already improved with Mac gone and with BB and Mayo/JK not in the same building. It will depend on how well they complete the team build and then coach as to whether the improvement lasts. If our third string QB is important to the team, then we are in line for the first pick next year! Couldn't care less on who he is unless they don't draft a QB at all in which case they may well be both on the team. Not likely anything on the 'burning questions' people have will be in the book, but it should be an interesting read. the team paid Trent Brown, I Wynn, Agholor and Jonnu, but did not pay Shaq or Thuney. they then drafted 4 IOL rather than offensive playmakers. just my opinion, thats a major miss from the prior GM. imo Karras was an effective OG for the Pats and brought a level of toughness, nastiness and comfort playing next to Andrews in the Pats offense, which Strange has not been able to accomplish. I think the point on Dugger is if the team had a true FS, Dugger would have more TO's and sacks. |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 8, 2024 18:03:35 GMT -5
1.)-seeing Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings resign, reiterates the fact that prior management did hit on a number of draft picks. the last 5-7 years, they did not hit on enough, and if someone wants to label the 3 most important positions in the league today, QB, LT, WR, prior management missed on all of those the past 5-7 years. RESPONSE: Yep. BB sucks. Right, Karpie? response: yes, the past 4-6 years, BB has done a poor job as GM of the Pats when it came to drafting and signing free agents on the offensive side.
2.)-I also think it fair to question if prior management would have gone as high on any of these players as it took to sign them. allowing Thuney, Shaq, Karras to leave, when they could have easily been retained, forced the drafting of Strange, J Andrews, Sow, Mafi. RESPONSE: Yep. BB sucks. Right, Karpie? response: yes, the past 4-6 years, BB has done a poor job as GM of the Pats when it came to drafting and signing free agents on the offensive side.
3.)-for me, the only question on Dugger is seeing he best performs closer to the LOS, which is fine, but also overlaps where Peppers also performs best. with both of them on the field often, which is a good thing, there is a need for a true FS. I always thought Dugger could shine as a true FS, but the numbers say otherwise. wonder what Justin Simmons will cost? RESPONSE: Is a hybrid safety/LB in today's game worth what the Patriots paid Dugger? response; if Dugger plays to 5 int's, 4 forced fumbles/fumble recoveries, 8 sack/hurries and 100 tackles, he will be worth the money
4.)-resigning "their own" also allows the team to still retain laser focus on QB, LT, WR in the draft. RESPONSE: It has nothing to do with it. Those three positions are the main weaknesses of this team that has to be addresses, irregardless of who the Patriots signed. Thus team should have traded for Justin Fields, and then traded down to fill dire needs on the OL and for a #1 WR. 5.)- local Mass kid Sainstrill out of Michigan is someone I would look at if he is there at #103. CB needs some depth options imo. RESPONSE: This 2024 edition lacks quality depth at nearly every position. 6.)-DUI for UT DT Sweat. does that have him dropping in the draft? again, at #103 I would have interest RESPONSE: Don't see him falling that far, despite the DUI. 7.)-I have been all over the place on the draft, even if only for some fun discussion. at the moment I am locked in on Maye over Daniels and over a trade down. I would then be in on Daniels if Maye is gone, unless a really over whelming offer is on the table. I would think the LVR would be the ones offering the most, although they have some work to do to get additional draft picks to offer this season. RESPONSE: Maye is getting criticized too much. Teams playing pre-draft games? I think so. My guess is that he'll to to Washington at #2 overall. 8.)-I think part of the teams goals for this season is upgrading team unity and morale. Bourne, Onwenu, Dugger, Jennnings now must become vocal leaders. removing Mac also sent a strong message. RESPONSE: Winning cures all ills. This team needs to stop easily accepting losing. Last year, this bunch seemed far more interested in cashing their checks than earning them. 9.)-Zappe of Rourke if the team keeps 3 QB's. who ya got? RESPONSE: Does it really matter? 10.)-If indeed Bill is writing a book, does anyone honestly believe he will spill any inside intel? RESPONSE: Yes. Bill is an honest guy. He'll admit that he sucks, and that the team's success was all Tom Brady. Right, Karpie? response; his ego is much to big to admit that
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 8, 2024 18:31:19 GMT -5
-seeing Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings resign, reiterates the fact that prior management did hit on a number of draft picks. the last 5-7 years, they did not hit on enough, and if someone wants to label the 3 most important positions in the league today, QB, LT, WR, prior management missed on all of those the past 5-7 years. -I also think it fair to question if prior management would have gone as high on any of these players as it took to sign them. allowing Thuney, Shaq, Karras to leave, when they could have easily been retained, forced the drafting of STrange, J Andrews, Sow, Mafi. -for me, the only question on Dugger is seeing he best performs closer to the LOS, which is fine, but also overlaps where Peppers also performs best. with both of them on the field often, which is a good thing, there is a need for a true FS. I always thought Dugger could shine as a true FS, but the numbers say otherwise. wonder what Justin Simmons will cost? -resigning "their own" also allows the team to still retain laser focus on QB, LT, WR in the draft. - local Mass kid Sainstrill out of Michigan is someone I would look at if he is there at #103. CB needs some depth options imo. -DUI for UT DT Sweat. does that have him dropping in the draft? again, at #103 I would have interest-I have been all over the place on the draft, evenif only for some fun discussion. at the moment I am locked in on Maye over Daniels and over a trade down. I would then be in on Daniels if Maye is gone, unless a really over whelming offer is on the table. I would think the LVR would be the ones offering the most, although they have some work to do to get additional draft picks to offer this season. -I think part of the teams goals for this season is upgrading team unity and morale. Bourne, Onwenu, Dugger, Jennnings now muct become vocal leaders. removing Mac also sent a strong message. -Zappe of Rourke if the team keeps 3 QB's. who ya got? -If indeed Bill is writing a book, does anyone honestly believe he will spill any inside intel? Your delusion is funny. Even after the DUI, he'd be long gone before 64. |
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Post by mthurl on Apr 9, 2024 4:15:54 GMT -5
-seeing Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings resign, reiterates the fact that prior management did hit on a number of draft picks. the last 5-7 years, they did not hit on enough, and if someone wants to label the 3 most important positions in the league today, QB, LT, WR, prior management missed on all of those the past 5-7 years. -I also think it fair to question if prior management would have gone as high on any of these players as it took to sign them. allowing Thuney, Shaq, Karras to leave, when they could have easily been retained, forced the drafting of STrange, J Andrews, Sow, Mafi. -for me, the only question on Dugger is seeing he best performs closer to the LOS, which is fine, but also overlaps where Peppers also performs best. with both of them on the field often, which is a good thing, there is a need for a true FS. I always thought Dugger could shine as a true FS, but the numbers say otherwise. wonder what Justin Simmons will cost? -resigning "their own" also allows the team to still retain laser focus on QB, LT, WR in the draft. - local Mass kid Sainstrill out of Michigan is someone I would look at if he is there at #103. CB needs some depth options imo. -DUI for UT DT Sweat. does that have him dropping in the draft? again, at #103 I would have interest -I have been all over the place on the draft, evenif only for some fun discussion. at the moment I am locked in on Maye over Daniels and over a trade down. I would then be in on Daniels if Maye is gone, unless a really over whelming offer is on the table. I would think the LVR would be the ones offering the most, although they have some work to do to get additional draft picks to offer this season. -I think part of the teams goals for this season is upgrading team unity and morale. Bourne, Onwenu, Dugger, Jennnings now muct become vocal leaders. removing Mac also sent a strong message. -Zappe of Rourke if the team keeps 3 QB's. who ya got? -If indeed Bill is writing a book, does anyone honestly believe he will spill any inside intel? I’ve been on Maye train for a while, BUT at times during this off season I have doubted myself. Now I’m back on Maye 100% because I simply think his talent is too great to ignore. As for Daniels, I initially didn’t like him, then I watched more and I really liked him…then I watched even more and I soured on him again. He misses a lot of throws that people aren’t talking about. He looks great at times and completely average on other throws. He also is throwing to THE BEST GROUP OF RECEIVERS by far. I mean, two of his guys are so good that they will be playing on Sunday’s, with the chance to be legitimate stars. The space that Daniels has to throw into is HUGE on a lot of passes. The space Maye has is not. Yet I would take Daniels at 3 if Maye is gone, but I’d be more inclined to trade back if the deal was right because I don’t see a lot of difference in him, McCarthy, and Penix (in terms of value). Maye is different, I think his ceiling is so HUGE that if I were an owner I’d truly build around him. I’d sell hope. I’d put him on billboards and this team needs someone like that right now. IMO |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 9, 2024 5:49:08 GMT -5
-seeing Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings resign, reiterates the fact that prior management did hit on a number of draft picks. the last 5-7 years, they did not hit on enough, and if someone wants to label the 3 most important positions in the league today, QB, LT, WR, prior management missed on all of those the past 5-7 years. -I also think it fair to question if prior management would have gone as high on any of these players as it took to sign them. allowing Thuney, Shaq, Karras to leave, when they could have easily been retained, forced the drafting of STrange, J Andrews, Sow, Mafi. -for me, the only question on Dugger is seeing he best performs closer to the LOS, which is fine, but also overlaps where Peppers also performs best. with both of them on the field often, which is a good thing, there is a need for a true FS. I always thought Dugger could shine as a true FS, but the numbers say otherwise. wonder what Justin Simmons will cost? -resigning "their own" also allows the team to still retain laser focus on QB, LT, WR in the draft. - local Mass kid Sainstrill out of Michigan is someone I would look at if he is there at #103. CB needs some depth options imo. -DUI for UT DT Sweat. does that have him dropping in the draft? again, at #103 I would have interest -I have been all over the place on the draft, evenif only for some fun discussion. at the moment I am locked in on Maye over Daniels and over a trade down. I would then be in on Daniels if Maye is gone, unless a really over whelming offer is on the table. I would think the LVR would be the ones offering the most, although they have some work to do to get additional draft picks to offer this season. -I think part of the teams goals for this season is upgrading team unity and morale. Bourne, Onwenu, Dugger, Jennnings now muct become vocal leaders. removing Mac also sent a strong message. -Zappe of Rourke if the team keeps 3 QB's. who ya got? -If indeed Bill is writing a book, does anyone honestly believe he will spill any inside intel? I’ve been on Maye train for a while, BUT at times during this off season I have doubted myself. Now I’m back on Maye 100% because I simply think his talent is too great to ignore. As for Daniels, I initially didn’t like him, then I watched more and I really liked him…then I watched even more and I soured on him again. He misses a lot of throws that people aren’t talking about. He looks great at times and completely average on other throws. He also is throwing to THE BEST GROUP OF RECEIVERS by far. I mean, two of his guys are so good that they will be playing on Sunday’s, with the chance to be legitimate stars. The space that Daniels has to throw into is HUGE on a lot of passes. The space Maye has is not. Yet I would take Daniels at 3 if Maye is gone, but I’d be more inclined to trade back if the deal was right because I don’t see a lot of difference in him, McCarthy, and Penix (in terms of value). Maye is different, I think his ceiling is so HUGE that if I were an owner I’d truly build around him. I’d sell hope. I’d put him on billboards and this team needs someone like that right now. IMO you seem to be a guy that does put in the time to watch a lot, make some intelligent observations and offer opinion. of course you are not a scout, but post legit commentary/opinion. for sure your observations have validity. your take I am sure is also seen by teams who have to decide if they can coach players up or scheme to players strengths. makes the 3rd (or 4th) option of a trade down on the table if a huge offer is out there, given the Pats needs and holes. while you have posted a lot about the kids coming out, have you taken a similar deep look at Brissett from last year? thoughts on him being a viable option for a really good team around him to win double digit games in years 2 and 3? |
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Post by wazzu on Apr 9, 2024 8:14:56 GMT -5
-seeing Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings resign, reiterates the fact that prior management did hit on a number of draft picks. the last 5-7 years, they did not hit on enough, and if someone wants to label the 3 most important positions in the league today, QB, LT, WR, prior management missed on all of those the past 5-7 years. -I also think it fair to question if prior management would have gone as high on any of these players as it took to sign them. allowing Thuney, Shaq, Karras to leave, when they could have easily been retained, forced the drafting of STrange, J Andrews, Sow, Mafi. -for me, the only question on Dugger is seeing he best performs closer to the LOS, which is fine, but also overlaps where Peppers also performs best. with both of them on the field often, which is a good thing, there is a need for a true FS. I always thought Dugger could shine as a true FS, but the numbers say otherwise. wonder what Justin Simmons will cost? -resigning "their own" also allows the team to still retain laser focus on QB, LT, WR in the draft. - local Mass kid Sainstrill out of Michigan is someone I would look at if he is there at #103. CB needs some depth options imo. -DUI for UT DT Sweat. does that have him dropping in the draft? again, at #103 I would have interest -I have been all over the place on the draft, evenif only for some fun discussion. at the moment I am locked in on Maye over Daniels and over a trade down. I would then be in on Daniels if Maye is gone, unless a really over whelming offer is on the table. I would think the LVR would be the ones offering the most, although they have some work to do to get additional draft picks to offer this season. -I think part of the teams goals for this season is upgrading team unity and morale. Bourne, Onwenu, Dugger, Jennnings now muct become vocal leaders. removing Mac also sent a strong message. -Zappe of Rourke if the team keeps 3 QB's. who ya got? -If indeed Bill is writing a book, does anyone honestly believe he will spill any inside intel? I’ve been on Maye train for a while, BUT at times during this off season I have doubted myself. Now I’m back on Maye 100% because I simply think his talent is too great to ignore. As for Daniels, I initially didn’t like him, then I watched more and I really liked him…then I watched even more and I soured on him again. He misses a lot of throws that people aren’t talking about. He looks great at times and completely average on other throws. He also is throwing to THE BEST GROUP OF RECEIVERS by far. I mean, two of his guys are so good that they will be playing on Sunday’s, with the chance to be legitimate stars. The space that Daniels has to throw into is HUGE on a lot of passes. The space Maye has is not. Yet I would take Daniels at 3 if Maye is gone, but I’d be more inclined to trade back if the deal was right because I don’t see a lot of difference in him, McCarthy, and Penix (in terms of value). Maye is different, I think his ceiling is so HUGE that if I were an owner I’d truly build around him. I’d sell hope. I’d put him on billboards and this team needs someone like that right now. IMO I absolutely agree with this post. I’ve wanted Maye the entire time. But unfortunately, I really believe the Redskins are taking him. I’m not buying all the smoke. I think they would be crazy to pass on him. |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 9, 2024 9:50:16 GMT -5
-seeing Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings resign, reiterates the fact that prior management did hit on a number of draft picks. the last 5-7 years, they did not hit on enough, and if someone wants to label the 3 most important positions in the league today, QB, LT, WR, prior management missed on all of those the past 5-7 years. The collaboration missed on the QB position, Mac sucked. Then the offensive line was an injury nightmare.
There's a big difference between a lack of talent and a lack of execution. The 2023 Pats had talent, the execution was bad and the QB sucked. In hindsight if BB signed Brissett last offseason he'd probably still have a job.
-I also think it fair to question if prior management would have gone as high on any of these players as it took to sign them. allowing Thuney, Shaq, Karras to leave, when they could have easily been retained, forced the drafting of STrange, J Andrews, Sow, Mafi. Dugger and Onwenu got paid around the 4th or 5th highest at their respective positions. That's exactly what BB used to do with his best cornerstone type players.
Thuney set the market for guards, they weren't going to do that. They replaced Thuney with a 6th round Onwenu, turned out to be the right decision.
Karras was and is a career backup, he's not even relevant to the conversation. If you asked me right now if I wanted the known of Karras over the unknown of Jake Andrews, I'm taking Jake every time... more upside. Nobody was forced to draft anyone, it was need based drafting which mirrored the two decades prior, best player available at a position of need.-for me, the only question on Dugger is seeing he best performs closer to the LOS, which is fine, but also overlaps where Peppers also performs best. with both of them on the field often, which is a good thing, there is a need for a true FS. I always thought Dugger could shine as a true FS, but the numbers say otherwise. wonder what Justin Simmons will cost? They should draft a large CB and make him a FS or possibly put Shaun Wade back there. Wade played really well last season, he was a project leaving college but he has developed into a decent player under the best DB coach he could have ever asked for.
-resigning "their own" also allows the team to still retain laser focus on QB, LT, WR in the draft. They still should sign another LT free agent, Okorafor isn't the answer. Total waste of money.
-I have been all over the place on the draft, evenif only for some fun discussion. at the moment I am locked in on Maye over Daniels and over a trade down. I would then be in on Daniels if Maye is gone, unless a really over whelming offer is on the table. I would think the LVR would be the ones offering the most, although they have some work to do to get additional draft picks to offer this season. Maye or JJ in that order, that's where I've landed. -I think part of the teams goals for this season is upgrading team unity and morale. Bourne, Onwenu, Dugger, Jennnings now muct become vocal leaders. removing Mac also sent a strong message. Having everyone pulling in the same direction should help, but only if the front office puts together a talented team this offseason and the coaches can develop the young ones.
-Zappe of Rourke if the team keeps 3 QB's. who ya got? Rourke sucked in Canada, he won't be good. Zappe has upside, but I don't think they'll carry three QB's unless they carry him on the practice squad eventually.
-If indeed Bill is writing a book, does anyone honestly believe he will spill any inside intel? He'll never tell what happened to Malcolm Butler in 2017 because Butler did something embarrassing and Bill protected the player. He might spill tea on the collaboration at the end, we'll see. |
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Post by mthurl on Apr 9, 2024 19:14:56 GMT -5
I’ve been on Maye train for a while, BUT at times during this off season I have doubted myself. Now I’m back on Maye 100% because I simply think his talent is too great to ignore. As for Daniels, I initially didn’t like him, then I watched more and I really liked him…then I watched even more and I soured on him again. He misses a lot of throws that people aren’t talking about. He looks great at times and completely average on other throws. He also is throwing to THE BEST GROUP OF RECEIVERS by far. I mean, two of his guys are so good that they will be playing on Sunday’s, with the chance to be legitimate stars. The space that Daniels has to throw into is HUGE on a lot of passes. The space Maye has is not. Yet I would take Daniels at 3 if Maye is gone, but I’d be more inclined to trade back if the deal was right because I don’t see a lot of difference in him, McCarthy, and Penix (in terms of value). Maye is different, I think his ceiling is so HUGE that if I were an owner I’d truly build around him. I’d sell hope. I’d put him on billboards and this team needs someone like that right now. IMO you seem to be a guy that does put in the time to watch a lot, make some intelligent observations and offer opinion. of course you are not a scout, but post legit commentary/opinion. for sure your observations have validity. your take I am sure is also seen by teams who have to decide if they can coach players up or scheme to players strengths. makes the 3rd (or 4th) option of a trade down on the table if a huge offer is out there, given the Pats needs and holes. while you have posted a lot about the kids coming out, have you taken a similar deep look at Brissett from last year? thoughts on him being a viable option for a really good team around him to win double digit games in years 2 and 3? I haven’t taken a deep dive into his play last year but I think I’ve seen enough of him over the years. I think he could surprise a little bit, but I think the uptick in play from him here will be his experience and how responsible he is with the ball. He’s big, his arm isn’t as big as he is, and he is a leader (I think). With a really good team around him I think he’d be solid, but I’m not sure that’s ever really good enough anymore in this league. |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 9, 2024 21:30:27 GMT -5
I haven’t taken a deep dive into his play last year but I think I’ve seen enough of him over the years. I think he could surprise a little bit, but I think the uptick in play from him here will be his experience and how responsible he is with the ball. He’s big, his arm isn’t as big as he is, and he is a leader (I think). With a really good team around him I think he’d be solid, but I’m not sure that’s ever really good enough anymore in this league.
926-1511 attempts, 61% completions, 9994 Yards, 208 YPG, 48 TD's, 22 INT's, 85.2 QB Rating, 6.61 YPA, 190 rushes, 853 YDs, 4.5 YPA, 12 rush TDs Throws two TD's for every interception, completes 61% of his passes. He's never started on a great team, hardly for a good team. He is Andy Dalton or young Joe Flacco with a bigger more physical frame that can run for third down conversions. Won't wow you, but probably won't lose the game for you either. |
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Post by mthurl on Apr 10, 2024 3:31:14 GMT -5
I haven’t taken a deep dive into his play last year but I think I’ve seen enough of him over the years. I think he could surprise a little bit, but I think the uptick in play from him here will be his experience and how responsible he is with the ball. He’s big, his arm isn’t as big as he is, and he is a leader (I think). With a really good team around him I think he’d be solid, but I’m not sure that’s ever really good enough anymore in this league.
926-1511 attempts, 61% completions, 9994 Yards, 208 YPG, 48 TD's, 22 INT's, 85.2 QB Rating, 6.61 YPA, 190 rushes, 853 YDs, 4.5 YPA, 12 rush TDs Throws two TD's for every interception, completes 61% of his passes. He's never started on a great team, hardly for a good team. He is Andy Dalton or young Joe Flacco with a bigger more physical frame that can run for third down conversions. Won't wow you, but probably won't lose the game for you either. That’s probably how I’d describe him too. I definitely think he’s an upgrade over Mac Jones and should show an improvement to the offense right away (with that alone), but they’d also need a left tackle and another receiver for that to happen too. |
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