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Post by freediro on Apr 8, 2024 10:54:57 GMT -5
He also had this to say years ago - “Well, actually I do like [Brian] Brohm better than Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is right now in his career. Let's look at the positives with Brohm. As Rece just mentioned, he's played in two pro-style systems. That's a plus when he comes to the NFL."
and this - "Honestly, I think Brian Brohm, two years from now, could be the starting quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. It would not shock me at all, and I still think Aaron Rodgers has a chance as well, but I think Brian Brohm's upside is greater than that of Rodgers.”
Now that take is something that should get you fired and never giving out QB draft advice ever again.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 8, 2024 11:12:22 GMT -5
He also had this to say years ago - “Well, actually I do like [Brian] Brohm better than Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is right now in his career. Let's look at the positives with Brohm. As Rece just mentioned, he's played in two pro-style systems. That's a plus when he comes to the NFL." and this - "Honestly, I think Brian Brohm, two years from now, could be the starting quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. It would not shock me at all, and I still think Aaron Rodgers has a chance as well, but I think Brian Brohm's upside is greater than that of Rodgers.” Now that take is something that should get you fired and never giving out QB draft advice ever again. He's not the 1st or the last to describe his play as erratic. Hell! HIS PRO DAY WAS ERRATIC!!! Bo Nix is way better.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 8, 2024 11:13:46 GMT -5
Why does someone giving their opinion ruin draft talk? That's the very reason draft talk exists.
I always encourage fans to watch tape, any tape they can get their hands on, in an effort to form their own opinion about a player... as even people who know what they're doing, and understand the game at a high level (i.e. Hoge, or even BB) are wrong... a lot.
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Post by freediro on Apr 8, 2024 11:16:26 GMT -5
Why does someone giving their opinion ruin draft talk? That's the very reason draft talk exists. I always encourage fans to watch tape, any tape they can get their hands on, in an effort to form their own opinion about a player... as even people who know what they're doing, and understand the game at a high level (i.e. Hoge, or even BB) are wrong... a lot. Because it’s not nuanced and to make definitive statements like that is stupid. Especially when you have a history or being so incredibly wrong.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 8, 2024 11:29:45 GMT -5
Why does someone giving their opinion ruin draft talk? That's the very reason draft talk exists. I always encourage fans to watch tape, any tape they can get their hands on, in an effort to form their own opinion about a player... as even people who know what they're doing, and understand the game at a high level (i.e. Hoge, or even BB) are wrong... a lot. Because it’s not nuanced and to make definitive statements like that is stupid. Especially when you have a history or being so incredibly wrong. It's one dude's opinion. And, BB has a history of being incredibly wrong, too. It's the nature of the business. Heck, I'm incredibly wrong every year. We all are.
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Post by freediro on Apr 8, 2024 11:55:22 GMT -5
Because it’s not nuanced and to make definitive statements like that is stupid. Especially when you have a history or being so incredibly wrong. It's one dude's opinion. And, BB has a history of being incredibly wrong, too. It's the nature of the business. Heck, I'm incredibly wrong every year. We all are. Its more the way he states his opinion, like many other talking heads do. They’re so desperate to sound matter of fact and have this ability to make claims as if they know the future in such specific terms. I get giving an opinion and using film or data to back it up, good or bad. But to just day if you draft this guy here or there, you’re gonna get fired. It’s just dumb, clumsy and then it makes people dig up you old takes that make you look even more foolish.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 8, 2024 12:02:18 GMT -5
It's one dude's opinion. And, BB has a history of being incredibly wrong, too. It's the nature of the business. Heck, I'm incredibly wrong every year. We all are. Its more the way he states his opinion, like many other talking heads do. They’re so desperate to sound matter of fact and have this ability to make claims as if they know the future in such specific terms. I get giving an opinion and using film or data to back it up, good or bad. But to just day if you draft this guy here or there, you’re gonna get fired. It’s just dumb, clumsy and then it makes people dig up you old takes that make you look even more foolish. Yeah, I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I actually enjoy it, as so many talking heads feel the need to hedge their opinions... it's refreshing to me, when someone states something outright, or even goes against consensus, while backing it up with reason.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 8, 2024 12:09:27 GMT -5
Why does someone giving their opinion ruin draft talk? That's the very reason draft talk exists. I always encourage fans to watch tape, any tape they can get their hands on, in an effort to form their own opinion about a player... as even people who know what they're doing, and understand the game at a high level (i.e. Hoge, or even BB) are wrong... a lot. Because it’s not nuanced and to make definitive statements like that is stupid. Especially when you have a history or being so incredibly wrong. That's what he gets paid to do. I'd honestly want people to be more definitive than try to hedge their bets so they aren't ever proven wrong.
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Post by freediro on Apr 8, 2024 12:18:27 GMT -5
Because it’s not nuanced and to make definitive statements like that is stupid. Especially when you have a history or being so incredibly wrong. That's what he gets paid to do. I'd honestly want people to be more definitive than try to hedge their bets so they aren't ever proven wrong. Youre not gonna get fired for taking Maye, you’re gonna get fired if you don’t put the right coaches around him, the right players to support him, etc. I guess I have always thought Merril Hoge’s takes have been ass since the early 00’s
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Post by patslifer on Apr 8, 2024 12:23:04 GMT -5
That's what he gets paid to do. I'd honestly want people to be more definitive than try to hedge their bets so they aren't ever proven wrong. Youre not gonna get fired for taking Maye, you’re gonna get fired if you don’t put the right coaches around him, the right players to support him, etc. I guess I have always thought Merril Hoge’s takes have been ass since the early 00’s I don't disagree. Yet he's still employed.
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Post by backbay on Apr 8, 2024 12:36:43 GMT -5
Why does someone giving their opinion ruin draft talk? That's the very reason draft talk exists. I always encourage fans to watch tape, any tape they can get their hands on, in an effort to form their own opinion about a player... as even people who know what they're doing, and understand the game at a high level (i.e. Hoge, or even BB) are wrong... a lot. Great idea......but some of us (like me) don't know what to look for....lol
edit: That being said, I'm at the point where I'd be ok with Daniels, Maye, or McCarthy as a QB pick in the first round.
It'd be my preference if the Patriots could get 5 picks in the first 3 rounds this year. They currently have 3.
I think the best "suiter" is the Giants. Our #3 for the Giants 1st rnd, 2nd rnd, and 3rd round in this years draft and first round pick in 2025.
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 8, 2024 12:50:02 GMT -5
I much prefer spending hours listening to a guy who waffles all over the place, e.g. 'Yeah Williams is definitely the best QB out there, but you also have to look at how well Nix played, and when I watch Daniels he is just electric. And really you couldn't go wrong with Penix as long as he gets a clean medical, I mean he has a cannon and throws a beautiful long ball. Oh, yeah, I also hear a lot of people just love Maye - that pro body, and while he played on a crap team, he came through for them big time. And while Michigan was a running team first and foremost, did you see the way JJ did absolutely everything necessary to get that NC - what a clutch kid, some team is going to be over the moon to get him and I could see him drafted anywhere in the first five picks. Really, when you look at it, I think Chicago has the toughest choice in this draft Five NFL caliber QBs, all phenomenal, and they only pick one.... Blah, blah, blah ....' No problem with some guy sticking his neck out and saying what he thinks - you can like his opinion or hate it, but at least he has one. Maybe he could have been a bit more diplomatic in the 'get someone fired', but we post the same stuff here about Mac have a 2-0 record of getting OCs fired after his first one ran away.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 8, 2024 12:55:54 GMT -5
I much prefer spending hours listening to a guy who waffles all over the place, e.g. 'Yeah Williams is definitely the best QB out there, but you also have to look at how well Nix played, and when I watch Daniels he is just electric. And really you couldn't go wrong with Penix as long as he gets a clean medical, I mean he has a cannon and throws a beautiful long ball. Oh, yeah, I also hear a lot of people just love Maye - that pro body, and while he played on a crap team, he came through for them big time. And while Michigan was a running team first and foremost, did you see the way JJ did absolutely everything necessary to get that NC - what a clutch kid, some team is going to be over the moon to get him and I could see him drafted anywhere in the first five picks. Really, when you look at it, I think Chicago has the toughest choice in this draft Five NFL caliber QBs, all phenomenal, and they only pick one.... Blah, blah, blah ....' No problem with some guy sticking his neck out and saying what he thinks - you can like his opinion or hate it, but at least he has one. Maybe he could have been a bit more diplomatic in the 'get someone fired', but we post the same stuff here about Mac have a 2-0 record of getting OCs fired after his first one ran away. c'mon. you could really come clean and say Josh got millions because of how well Mac played in his rookie season.
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Post by fisher on Apr 8, 2024 13:51:32 GMT -5
He also had this to say years ago - “Well, actually I do like [Brian] Brohm better than Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is right now in his career. Let's look at the positives with Brohm. As Rece just mentioned, he's played in two pro-style systems. That's a plus when he comes to the NFL." and this - "Honestly, I think Brian Brohm, two years from now, could be the starting quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. It would not shock me at all, and I still think Aaron Rodgers has a chance as well, but I think Brian Brohm's upside is greater than that of Rodgers.” Now that take is something that should get you fired and never giving out QB draft advice ever again. He's not the 1st or the last to describe his play as erratic. Hell! HIS PRO DAY WAS ERRATIC!!! Bo Nix is way better. Bo nix has similar tributes as Mac Jones…cerebral, accuracy, play calling …dependability
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 8, 2024 14:52:43 GMT -5
He's not the 1st or the last to describe his play as erratic. Hell! HIS PRO DAY WAS ERRATIC!!! Bo Nix is way better. Bo nix has similar tributes as Mac Jones…cerebral, accuracy, play calling …dependability But the big difference ... he isn't made of bronze with feet stuck in cement. To be precise, I do not think anyone wrote this about Jones: Very good athlete. Explosive short-area movement; shows good speed in the open field. Good creation ability outside the pocket. Willing to break structure; plays with eyes downfield.
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 8, 2024 14:53:06 GMT -5
He's not the 1st or the last to describe his play as erratic. Hell! HIS PRO DAY WAS ERRATIC!!! Bo Nix is way better. Bo nix has similar tributes as Mac Jones…cerebral, accuracy, play calling …dependability BWA HA HA HAAAAAA! Great joke!
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Post by section136 on Apr 8, 2024 15:08:31 GMT -5
That's what he gets paid to do. I'd honestly want people to be more definitive than try to hedge their bets so they aren't ever proven wrong. Youre not gonna get fired for taking Maye, you’re gonna get fired if you don’t put the right coaches around him, the right players to support him, etc. I guess I have always thought Merril Hoge’s takes have been ass since the early 00’s Couldn't agree with you more! I often wonder how many good prospects that we consider huge busts would have become solid starters under competent coaching. Placed into situations with poor protection, little to no running game and mediocre receiving talent. Defenses eat these guys alive and the fans say they suck and blame the whole thing on the player. Good post!
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Post by froglegs on Apr 8, 2024 15:25:42 GMT -5
He's not the 1st or the last to describe his play as erratic. Hell! HIS PRO DAY WAS ERRATIC!!! Bo Nix is way better. Maye's pro day was erratic because he missed couple of passes out of the 50 something he threw??? Come on... BTW, Bo Nix combine workout was pretty meh.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 8, 2024 15:39:06 GMT -5
He's not the 1st or the last to describe his play as erratic. Hell! HIS PRO DAY WAS ERRATIC!!! Bo Nix is way better. Maye's pro day was erratic because he missed couple of passes out of the 50 something he threw??? Come on... BTW, Bo Nix combine workout was pretty meh. Maye is erratic in meaninful game situations. I am not talking about the combine.
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Post by ATJ on Apr 8, 2024 15:47:22 GMT -5
NFL history is littered with 'can't miss' quarterbacks who busted big time in the NFL. Two that come immediately to mind are Ryan Leaf and Rick Mirer. The draft is an inexact 'science' and NFL executives make selections (or don't) at their own peril. I have no idea what constitutes a successful draft but I do know that you can't make any kind of meaningful assessment until the outyears (yr 3?). Will Drake Maye be a good NFL QB? I honestly have no idea. Will Caleb Williams? Jayden Daniels? JJ McCarthy? Below is the 'grading system' that whoever uses on the NFL Prospect Profiles 8.0 The perfect prospect 7.3-7.5 Perennial All-Pro 7.0-7.1 Pro Bowl talent 6.7-6.9 Year 1 starter 6.5-6.6 Boom-or-bust potential 6.40-6.49 Will become good starter within two years 6.30-6.39 Will eventually be plus starter 6.20-6.29 Will eventually be average starter 6.10-6.19 Good backup with the potential to develop into starter 6.0-6.09 Traits or talent to be above-average backup 5.80-5.99 Average backup or special-teamer 5.60-5.69 Candidate for bottom of roster or practice squad Serious question for the pseudo-analytical genius who created this grading system - what is the determining factor by which you assign a grade of 6.49 (good starter in 2 years) instead of a 6.5 (boom or bust)? Look at the foregoing and convince me that the process, in the final analysis, does not boil down to a subjective evaluation by the guy who has the final say. This is Drake Maye's profile: www.nfl.com/prospects/drake-maye/32004d41-5928-9639-2999-10019fb4c292
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Post by DaPatriots on Apr 8, 2024 15:57:19 GMT -5
He's not the 1st or the last to describe his play as erratic. Hell! HIS PRO DAY WAS ERRATIC!!! Bo Nix is way better. Maye's pro day was erratic because he missed couple of passes out of the 50 something he threw??? Come on... BTW, Bo Nix combine workout was pretty meh. Yes VERY BAD MISSES
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 8, 2024 16:37:09 GMT -5
Maye's pro day was erratic because he missed couple of passes out of the 50 something he threw??? Come on... BTW, Bo Nix combine workout was pretty meh. Maye is erratic in meaninful game situations. I am not talking about the combine. This is true. Anyone that has read any of my post will know I’m against selecting Maye anywhere in the draft. I see a guy that can’t let the last play go and just try to do too much all the time causing turnovers. The bad part is he keeps repeating the same errors. He can’t read a defense and has minimal pocket awareness. Thats a bad combo for a guy selected in the top 3. All this hype about what he could be, but no one is addressing what he actually is now. A BIG project.
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Post by freediro on Apr 8, 2024 16:59:13 GMT -5
Maye is erratic in meaninful game situations. I am not talking about the combine. This is true. Anyone that has read any of my post will know I’m against selecting Maye anywhere in the draft. I see a guy that can’t let the last play go and just try to do too much all the time causing turnovers. The bad part is he keeps repeating the same errors. He can’t read a defense and has minimal pocket awareness. Thats a bad combo for a guy selected in the top 3. All this hype about what he could be, but no one is addressing what he actually is now. A BIG project. Daniels is as much of a project as Maye, but for different reasons. People say JJ isn’t really a project, but do you want mediocrity at QB? It’s ok when you drop a guy like Purdy in that SF offense, but JJ is gonna look like ass with our mediocre receivers/TEs.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 8, 2024 18:27:15 GMT -5
Why does someone giving their opinion ruin draft talk? That's the very reason draft talk exists. I always encourage fans to watch tape, any tape they can get their hands on, in an effort to form their own opinion about a player... as even people who know what they're doing, and understand the game at a high level (i.e. Hoge, or even BB) are wrong... a lot. Great idea......but some of us (like me) don't know what to look for....lol
edit: That being said, I'm at the point where I'd be ok with Daniels, Maye, or McCarthy as a QB pick in the first round.
It'd be my preference if the Patriots could get 5 picks in the first 3 rounds this year. They currently have 3.
I think the best "suiter" is the Giants. Our #3 for the Giants 1st rnd, 2nd rnd, and 3rd round in this years draft and first round pick in 2025. So I guess you rely on other people's opinions. How do you know who or what to believe?
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 8, 2024 18:29:22 GMT -5
This is true. Anyone that has read any of my post will know I’m against selecting Maye anywhere in the draft. I see a guy that can’t let the last play go and just try to do too much all the time causing turnovers. The bad part is he keeps repeating the same errors. He can’t read a defense and has minimal pocket awareness. Thats a bad combo for a guy selected in the top 3. All this hype about what he could be, but no one is addressing what he actually is now. A BIG project. Daniels is as much of a project as Maye, but for different reasons. People say JJ isn’t really a project, but do you want mediocrity at QB? It’s ok when you drop a guy like Purdy in that SF offense, but JJ is gonna look like ass with our mediocre receivers/TEs. I’m not convinced any of them are the sure thing. I want them to trade for “the bag”. Select Joe Alt and some talent at WR and build the trenches up. I’m ok with Brissett for a year or two if it stacks the roster for the next QB to take over. As you stated, a rookie doesn’t stand a chance with the current roster and I don’t think you should select at #3 with the intention of waiting for a guy to develop. Thats something you do at pick #13 or #23. I know I’m in the minority here but that’s ok. 👍🏻
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