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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 9, 2024 17:43:59 GMT -5
Has there ever been an NFL player selected in the top 3 with the expectation of having them sit on the bench? Im sincerely curious because I want to see what history says……and the results of course for obvious reasons. I’m talking any position
I’ve googled it.
I’ve asked Siri
I’ve asked Alexa.
All I get are links to “biggest draft bust” articles. Not a good omen. 😂
I don’t buy the “we’ll be happy with whichever guy is available at 3” mantra. Settling before they even know the selection is a cop out. Admit it, that’s a failure in itself. The team needs to hit on the first 3-4 rounds. These are the top 100 players available. With the 3, 34, 68 (even 103) selections they need guys that can start now. They have a chance to get a cornerstone player at 3 and possibly 34 as well. Pick the sure thing. Draft an Alt or a Bowers. Players you know without question are the top of their respective positional class. If they plan on drafting to sit a player, they should just trade down for more current and future draft picks.
I completely understand the need for a franchise QB. I get the reasoning behind taking the chance on a QB. I just don’t think the Pats can afford to gamble with this years draft capital. They need football players now.
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Post by garytx on Apr 9, 2024 17:52:27 GMT -5
Has there ever been an NFL player selected in the top 3 with the expectation of having them sit on the bench? Im sincerely curious because I want to see what history says……and the results of course for obvious reasons. I’m talking any position I’ve googled it. I’ve asked Siri I’ve asked Alexa. All I get are links to “biggest draft bust” articles. Not a good omen. 😂 I don’t buy the “we’ll be happy with whichever guy is available at 3” mantra. Settling before they even know the selection is a cop out. Admit it, that’s a failure in itself. The team needs to hit on the first 3-4 rounds. These are the top 100 players available. With the 3, 34, 68 (even 103) selections they need guys that can start now. They have a chance to get a cornerstone player at 3 and possibly 34 as well. Pick the sure thing. Draft an Alt or a Bowers. Players you know without question are the top of their respective positional class. If they plan on drafting to sit a player, they should just trade down for more current and future draft picks. I completely understand the need for a franchise QB. I get the reasoning behind taking the chance on a QB. I just don’t think the Pats can afford to gamble with this years draft capital. They need football players now. |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 9, 2024 17:57:27 GMT -5
I assume you mean "benched" when you say not play?
I am quite sure #1 draft pick Ernie Davis never played an nfl snap due to illness and passing
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Post by garytx on Apr 9, 2024 18:04:53 GMT -5
Trey Lance for SF was third.
They do need a QB but if they aren't in love with the guy at third trade out. Nix and Penix are there. I don't understand why Nix isn't talked about more. I read from somewhere about his attitude or being selfish. I really don't know as I haven't heard much about it since. If they trade out it betters their chances of landing both QB and OT. Love Penix.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 9, 2024 20:15:19 GMT -5
I assume you mean "benched" when you say not play? I am quite sure #1 draft pick Ernie Davis never played an nfl snap due to illness and passing I don’t mean benched. I’m referring to the concept of playing Brissett while the #3 pick sits on the bench to “develop”. They have zero intention of playing the #3 this year. Ernie Davis wasn’t drafted to develop. It is unfortunate that he got sick. He would have carried the torch after Jim Brown in Cleveland. |
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 9, 2024 20:23:05 GMT -5
Trey Lance for SF was third. They do need a QB but if they aren't in love with the guy at third trade out. Nix and Penix are there. I don't understand why Nix isn't talked about more. I read from somewhere about his attitude or being selfish. I really don't know as I haven't heard much about it since. If they trade out it betters their chances of landing both QB and OT. Love Penix. Trey Lance is one of the strangest draft picks I’ve seen. Despite no real tape and a Covid season he was still drafted on “intangibles” that either never got a chance to develop or weren’t there in the first place. To me the Pats cant afford to pick a guy like Drake Maye and cross their fingers. |
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Post by philskiw on Apr 9, 2024 20:42:41 GMT -5
We should have got Justin fields for cheap. Even if he backed up Brissett. Then the QB Bolster the lines and WR. If we’re going to “rebuild”(tank) do it smart.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 9, 2024 21:17:02 GMT -5
Every player comes with a degree of risk.
Nobody drafts a player, at 3 or anywhere, with the predetermined intention to sit them. The goal is to grab the most talented player possible and let their growth happen organically, they need to earn every inch.
Brissett is the starter, it's the job of the rookie QB to beat him out and take the job.
Brady sat, Brees sat, Mahomes sat, Brett Farve sat, Phillip Rivers sat, Marino sat half the season, Ben Roethlisberger sat the first few games, Eli Manning played some in garbage time in the fourth quarter of game one then didn't start a game until week 11.... and on and on and on. There's no harm in letting a player develop naturally and catch up to the pro game before you roll him out there.
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Post by section136 on Apr 9, 2024 21:17:36 GMT -5
I can't speak for anyone else but myself. I'm not proposing sitting the rookie because of the rookie - I'm of the mind that a rookie QB should sit the 1st season because of the rarity of QB's taken early having success. Drafting a QB and tossing him to the lions has proven to be bad management of an important asset. There are some pretty good QB's out there and retired, who sat their 1st seasons (or more) and came out of the gate ready to go and a much larger number of highly touted QB prospects who busted.I think the belief that drafting a QB early means they should be ready to impact their team immediately is a myth, and it is not supported by the history of the draft. It is a move motivated by financial considerations and impatience. I also believe that no other position on a football team is required to do what an NFL QB has to do to be successful. I propose the year of red shirting as a way to invest in the young man's success and therefore the success of the team. Maybe all those prospects didn't suck - maybe the development methods sucked.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 10, 2024 5:10:35 GMT -5
Taken from multiple sources: NFL, Reddit, Newsweek, BR, Businessinsider, other sites,
In the history of the NFL, there have indeed been instances where a team selected a player in the top 3 of the draft and did not start them immediately in the following year. For example, Carson Palmer, who was selected by the Cincinnati Bengals as the number one overall pick in the 2003 NFL Draft, did not start as a quarterback in his rookie season. Instead, he sat behind the veteran quarterback Jon Kitna for the entire year before taking over as the starter in his second season
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Another example is Steve DeBerg, who was the starting quarterback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers when they selected Vinny Testaverde as the number one overall pick in the 1987 NFL Draft. Testaverde initially sat behind DeBerg before taking over as the starter
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These examples demonstrate that while it is not common, there have been occasions where highly drafted players, including those selected in the top 3, were not immediately started by their teams in their rookie seasons.
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Post by ATJ on Apr 10, 2024 5:38:41 GMT -5
I would have zero problem sitting a high pick QB for the first year. QBs are long term investments and I see no need for an instantaneous return on that investment.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 10, 2024 5:42:50 GMT -5
any QB will struggle when they first play in games, regardless if it is his 1st season or not. taking a QB at #3 and sitting the entire season is an epic fail imo.the earlier a QB plays, the sooner he becomes comfortable with the game speed, his team mates, etc. there will be growing pains, but this is a rebuild. have to play the young guys and take the lumps to learn.
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Post by philskiw on Apr 10, 2024 5:55:01 GMT -5
Didn’t Big Ben win his first 10 games or something like that when he started? The mayo excuses have already started
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Post by quagmire3 on Apr 10, 2024 6:24:42 GMT -5
any QB will struggle when they first play in games, regardless if it is his 1st season or not. taking a QB at #3 and sitting the entire season is an epic fail imo.the earlier a QB plays, the sooner he becomes comfortable with the game speed, his team mates, etc. there will be growing pains, but this is a rebuild. have to play the young guys and take the lumps to learn. How'd that work out with Mac (after his first 8-10 games)? |
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 10, 2024 6:26:50 GMT -5
Didn’t Big Ben win his first 10 games or something like that when he started? The mayo excuses have already started What are the “Mayo excuses”? Big Ben did have a good rookie season. Similar to Brady in 2001, they had a good mixture of veterans and youth on the roster with solid coaching. |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 10, 2024 6:34:08 GMT -5
any QB will struggle when they first play in games, regardless if it is his 1st season or not. taking a QB at #3 and sitting the entire season is an epic fail imo.the earlier a QB plays, the sooner he becomes comfortable with the game speed, his team mates, etc. there will be growing pains, but this is a rebuild. have to play the young guys and take the lumps to learn. How'd that work out with Mac (after his first 8-10 games)? he went to the playoffs and made the pro bowl. was offensive rookie of the year. I guess I would say.....pretty well. Right? |
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Post by belestrator on Apr 10, 2024 6:44:21 GMT -5
Has there ever been an NFL player selected in the top 3 with the expectation of having them sit on the bench? Im sincerely curious because I want to see what history says……and the results of course for obvious reasons. I’m talking any position I’ve googled it.
I’ve asked Siri
I’ve asked Alexa. All I get are links to “biggest draft bust” articles. Not a good omen. 😂 I don’t buy the “we’ll be happy with whichever guy is available at 3” mantra. Settling before they even know the selection is a cop out. Admit it, that’s a failure in itself. The team needs to hit on the first 3-4 rounds. These are the top 100 players available. With the 3, 34, 68 (even 103) selections they need guys that can start now. They have a chance to get a cornerstone player at 3 and possibly 34 as well. Pick the sure thing. Draft an Alt or a Bowers. Players you know without question are the top of their respective positional class. If they plan on drafting to sit a player, they should just trade down for more current and future draft picks. I completely understand the need for a franchise QB. I get the reasoning behind taking the chance on a QB. I just don’t think the Pats can afford to gamble with this years draft capital. They need football players now. Your quest for information reminded me of an oldie by one of my favorite groups, The Who: I've looked under chairs I've looked under tables I've tried to find the key To fifty million fables They call me The Seeker I've been searching low and high I won't get to get what I'm after Till the day I die By the way, I fully agree with everthing you wrote. Don't want any gambiling and I want results now. |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 10, 2024 8:17:58 GMT -5
he went to the playoffs and made the pro bowl. was offensive rookie of the year. I guess I would say.....pretty well. Right? The team made the playoffs. Mac was a pro bowl alternate because nobody else would go, Tyrod Taylor also made the pro bowl… it has lost all meaning. Ja'Marr Chase was named 2021 AP Offensive Rookie of the Year. Mac played okay until week 13 then sucked. Not nearly as good as you claim… and that was the best he ever played. Much better QB’s have sat a year and been fine, it’s not a failure if Brissett is playing well and winning. |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 10, 2024 8:24:14 GMT -5
he went to the playoffs and made the pro bowl. was offensive rookie of the year. I guess I would say.....pretty well. Right? The team made the playoffs. Mac was a pro bowl alternate because nobody else would go, Tyrod Taylor also made the pro bowl… it has lost all meaning. Ja'Marr Chase was named 2021 AP Offensive Rookie of the Year. Mac played okay until week 13 then sucked. Not nearly as good as you claim… and that was the best he ever played. Much better QB’s have sat a year and been fine, it’s not a failure if Brissett is playing well and winning. why do you argue every post I make? can't you just put me on ignore for a while? I have Wazzu on ignore and the forum seems happy for it. |
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 10, 2024 8:30:02 GMT -5
why do you argue every post I make? can't you just put me on ignore for a while? I have Wazzu on ignore and the forum seems happy for it. If someone says something blatantly wrong I feel it’s my duty to correct them. You’re just wrong more often than most. Mac didn’t win rookie of the year and his rookie season wasn’t nearly as good as you paint it to be. It’s also not a failure if the rookie QB sits for a year, worked out pretty well for Brady, Rogers and Mahomes. |
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Post by salcon on Apr 10, 2024 9:21:03 GMT -5
Didn’t Big Ben win his first 10 games or something like that when he started? The mayo excuses have already started What are the “Mayo excuses”? Big Ben did have a good rookie season. Similar to Brady in 2001, they had a good mixture of veterans and youth on the roster with solid coaching. Brady wasn't a rookie. |
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Post by agcsbill on Apr 10, 2024 9:25:14 GMT -5
Has there ever been an NFL player selected in the top 3 with the expectation of having them sit on the bench? Im sincerely curious because I want to see what history says……and the results of course for obvious reasons. I’m talking any position I’ve googled it. I’ve asked Siri I’ve asked Alexa. All I get are links to “biggest draft bust” articles. Not a good omen. 😂 I don’t buy the “we’ll be happy with whichever guy is available at 3” mantra. Settling before they even know the selection is a cop out. Admit it, that’s a failure in itself. The team needs to hit on the first 3-4 rounds. These are the top 100 players available. With the 3, 34, 68 (even 103) selections they need guys that can start now. They have a chance to get a cornerstone player at 3 and possibly 34 as well. Pick the sure thing. Draft an Alt or a Bowers. Players you know without question are the top of their respective positional class. If they plan on drafting to sit a player, they should just trade down for more current and future draft picks. I completely understand the need for a franchise QB. I get the reasoning behind taking the chance on a QB. I just don’t think the Pats can afford to gamble with this years draft capital. They need football players now. I guess there is a presumption a college player, whose only experience has been against college level competition, if drafted near or at the top of the draft, is a can't miss starter in the NFL. Like you have posted, there are many, many draft bust stories of such top drafted players. Conversely, do we know of any top draft picks who never started a game during their first season, not just riding the bench? |
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Post by agcsbill on Apr 10, 2024 9:27:26 GMT -5
Every player comes with a degree of risk. Nobody drafts a player, at 3 or anywhere, with the predetermined intention to sit them. The goal is to grab the most talented player possible and let their growth happen organically, they need to earn every inch. Brissett is the starter, it's the job of the rookie QB to beat him out and take the job. Brady sat, Brees sat, Mahomes sat, Brett Farve sat, Phillip Rivers sat, Marino sat half the season, Ben Roethlisberger sat the first few games, Eli Manning played some in garbage time in the fourth quarter of game one then didn't start a game until week 11th.... and on and on and on. There's no harm in letting a player develop naturally and catch up to the pro game before you roll him out there. Bottom line: They have to earn the starting job, right? |
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Post by agcsbill on Apr 10, 2024 9:33:00 GMT -5
any QB will struggle when they first play in games, regardless if it is his 1st season or not. taking a QB at #3 and sitting the entire season is an epic fail imo.the earlier a QB plays, the sooner he becomes comfortable with the game speed, his team mates, etc. there will be growing pains, but this is a rebuild. have to play the young guys and take the lumps to learn. I see your point, rkarp, but, doesn't that player have to earn the right to play, actually show they can play at the NFL level, regardless of their high draft position? You can imagine the howl from the fan base, who has such high expectations for the top draft pick to prove themself, when that player does horribly. The fans will then question why the team started that player in the first place if they weren't ready. A team just can't win in the fans' eyes. |
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Post by carawaydj on Apr 10, 2024 9:38:01 GMT -5
How'd that work out with Mac (after his first 8-10 games)? he went to the playoffs and made the pro bowl. was offensive rookie of the year. I guess I would say.....pretty well. Right? I've seen you claim this a couple of times. It's wrong. Ja'Marr Chase was offensive rookie of the year in 2021. Mac was in the discussion until the last part of the season. I do believe Mac had a good rookie season though, all things considered. |
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