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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 10, 2024 9:50:23 GMT -5
Has there ever been an NFL player selected in the top 3 with the expectation of having them sit on the bench? Im sincerely curious because I want to see what history says……and the results of course for obvious reasons. I’m talking any position I’ve googled it. I’ve asked Siri I’ve asked Alexa. All I get are links to “biggest draft bust” articles. Not a good omen. 😂 I don’t buy the “we’ll be happy with whichever guy is available at 3” mantra. Settling before they even know the selection is a cop out. Admit it, that’s a failure in itself. The team needs to hit on the first 3-4 rounds. These are the top 100 players available. With the 3, 34, 68 (even 103) selections they need guys that can start now. They have a chance to get a cornerstone player at 3 and possibly 34 as well. Pick the sure thing. Draft an Alt or a Bowers. Players you know without question are the top of their respective positional class. If they plan on drafting to sit a player, they should just trade down for more current and future draft picks. I completely understand the need for a franchise QB. I get the reasoning behind taking the chance on a QB. I just don’t think the Pats can afford to gamble with this years draft capital. They need football players now. In researching Steve McNair, one of the best QB's to be drafted #3 overall, it looks like he didn't start for his first two seasons, sitting behind Chris Chandler. IDK if that was what they had planned, when drafting him, but it's what happened.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 10, 2024 10:21:32 GMT -5
why do you argue every post I make? can't you just put me on ignore for a while? I have Wazzu on ignore and the forum seems happy for it. If someone says something blatantly wrong I feel it’s my duty to correct them. You’re just wrong more often than most. Mac didn’t win rookie of the year and his rookie season wasn’t nearly as good as you paint it to be. It’s also not a failure if the rookie QB sits for a year, worked out pretty well for Brady, Rogers and Mahomes. Right up there with Lamar Jackson playing in 2 AFCCG's.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 10, 2024 10:34:20 GMT -5
I stand corrected I was wrong Mac Jones was not the AP rookie of the year Mac Jones was AP ROY2 Thankfully we have posters like JRI to point these things out
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Post by jri37 on Apr 10, 2024 10:41:58 GMT -5
I stand corrected I was wrong Mac Jones was not the AP rookie of the year Mac Jones was AP ROY2 Thankfully we have posters like JRI to point these things out You're welcome.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 10, 2024 10:43:59 GMT -5
I stand corrected I was wrong Mac Jones was not the AP rookie of the year Mac Jones was AP ROY2 Thankfully we have posters like JRI to point these things out You're welcome. don't get used to the job. Wozzy will never give it up.
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Post by quagmire3 on Apr 10, 2024 11:53:49 GMT -5
How'd that work out with Mac (after his first 8-10 games)? he went to the playoffs and made the pro bowl. was offensive rookie of the year. I guess I would say.....pretty well. Right? 10-7 record his rookie year. First 13 games were OK until the league figured him out, and he lost 4 of his last 5 games to include a 47-17whooping in the playoffs. Made the Pro-Bowl by process of elimination after several picked ahead of him bowed out with "injuries." He was offensive ROY I'll give you that. Bottom line: Mac was ruined (probably more so by the coaching debacle in year 2)
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Post by rkarp on Apr 10, 2024 12:02:15 GMT -5
he went to the playoffs and made the pro bowl. was offensive rookie of the year. I guess I would say.....pretty well. Right? 10-7 record his rookie year. First 13 games were OK until the league figured him out, and he lost 4 of his last 5 games to include a 47-17whooping in the playoffs. Made the Pro-Bowl by process of elimination after several picked ahead of him bowed out with "injuries." He was offensive ROY I'll give you that. Bottom line: Mac was ruined (probably more so by the coaching debacle in year 2) If I may. As JRI was so kind to point out Mac was not AP ROY. he was AP ROY2. Also, if I may, Mac in game 16 of year 1 had a 73% comp rate. he threw for 3 TD's and 0 ints. his rating was 128. in game 17, mac had a 67% comp rate. he threw a TD and an int. his rating was 91. it is true in game 15, Mac played very poorly (as did the entire team) I don't think he played poorly the last portion of the season, but he did play poorly in the playoffs (as did the entire team)
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Post by section136 on Apr 10, 2024 12:23:23 GMT -5
10-7 record his rookie year. First 13 games were OK until the league figured him out, and he lost 4 of his last 5 games to include a 47-17whooping in the playoffs. Made the Pro-Bowl by process of elimination after several picked ahead of him bowed out with "injuries." He was offensive ROY I'll give you that. Bottom line: Mac was ruined (probably more so by the coaching debacle in year 2) If I may. As JRI was so kind to point out Mac was not AP ROY. he was AP ROY2. Also, if I may, Mac in game 16 of year 1 had a 73% comp rate. he threw for 3 TD's and 0 ints. his rating was 128. in game 17, mac had a 67% comp rate. he threw a TD and an int. his rating was 91. it is true in game 15, Mac played very poorly (as did the entire team)I don't think he played poorly the last portion of the season, but he did play poorly in the playoffs (as did the entire team) Well then obviously it's Mac's fault!! LOL
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 10, 2024 12:24:05 GMT -5
If I may. As JRI was so kind to point out Mac was not AP ROY. he was AP ROY2. Also, if I may, Mac in game 16 of year 1 had a 73% comp rate. he threw for 3 TD's and 0 ints. his rating was 128. in game 17, mac had a 67% comp rate. he threw a TD and an int. his rating was 91. it is true in game 15, Mac played very poorly (as did the entire team) I don't think he played poorly the last portion of the season, but he did play poorly in the playoffs (as did the entire team) Wozzy pointed out where you were wrong, I know it pains you to say that. Jiri simply reconfirmed it when you tried to ignore it and showed how you play fast and loose with the truth. There also isn’t a second place trophy for rookie of the year. J’Marr Chase won it. Mac’s only decent game after week 13 that you mention above came against the Jaguars… the team with the single worst record in the NFL in 2021 and their 28th ranked defense and 31st ranked offense. Kind of important to point that out as you try to polish this turd into a diamond. Mac played poorly after week 13, that’s statistically accurate. Sorry for pointing out the truth again, I know you hate that.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 10, 2024 12:38:35 GMT -5
If I may. As JRI was so kind to point out Mac was not AP ROY. he was AP ROY2. Also, if I may, Mac in game 16 of year 1 had a 73% comp rate. he threw for 3 TD's and 0 ints. his rating was 128. in game 17, mac had a 67% comp rate. he threw a TD and an int. his rating was 91. it is true in game 15, Mac played very poorly (as did the entire team) I don't think he played poorly the last portion of the season, but he did play poorly in the playoffs (as did the entire team) Wozzy pointed out where you were wrong, I know it pains you to say that. Jiri simply reconfirmed it when you tried to ignore it and showed how you play fast and loose with the truth.There also isn’t a second place trophy for rookie of the year. J’Marr Chase won it. Mac’s only decent game after week 13 that you mention above came against the Jaguars… the team with the single worst record in the NFL in 2021 and their 28th ranked defense and 31st ranked offense. Kind of important to point that out as you try to polish this turd into a diamond. Mac played poorly after week 13, that’s statistically accurate. Sorry for pointing out the truth again, I know you hate that. So for transparency and accuracy you pointed it out first, then carawaydj also called him out. Me I was just here for the piling on, lol.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 10, 2024 14:01:00 GMT -5
Wozzy pointed out where you were wrong, I know it pains you to say that. Jiri simply reconfirmed it when you tried to ignore it and showed how you play fast and loose with the truth.There also isn’t a second place trophy for rookie of the year. J’Marr Chase won it. Mac’s only decent game after week 13 that you mention above came against the Jaguars… the team with the single worst record in the NFL in 2021 and their 28th ranked defense and 31st ranked offense. Kind of important to point that out as you try to polish this turd into a diamond. Mac played poorly after week 13, that’s statistically accurate. Sorry for pointing out the truth again, I know you hate that. So for transparency and accuracy you pointed it out first, then carawaydj also called him out. Me I was just here for the piling on, lol. try to mix in a little football talk now and then. you seem to be lost when it comes to that.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 10, 2024 14:48:45 GMT -5
So for transparency and accuracy you pointed it out first, then carawaydj also called him out. Me I was just here for the piling on, lol. try to mix in a little football talk now and then. you seem to be lost when it comes to that. Look in the mirror Mr. Lamar Jackson has played in 2 AFCCFG’s - Mac Jones was Offensive Rookie of the year. Looks like you need might need some type of football road map.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 10, 2024 14:52:34 GMT -5
Every player comes with a degree of risk. Nobody drafts a player, at 3 or anywhere, with the predetermined intention to sit them. The goal is to grab the most talented player possible and let their growth happen organically, they need to earn every inch. Brissett is the starter, it's the job of the rookie QB to beat him out and take the job. Brady sat, Brees sat, Mahomes sat, Brett Farve sat, Phillip Rivers sat, Marino sat half the season, Ben Roethlisberger sat the first few games, Eli Manning played some in garbage time in the fourth quarter of game one then didn't start a game until week 11th.... and on and on and on. There's no harm in letting a player develop naturally and catch up to the pro game before you roll him out there. This ^
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 10, 2024 14:58:01 GMT -5
Honestly I don't care where the QB got drafted, I just care about what helps them the most in regard to their development. Like Wozzy said, you give them a real chance to earn it in training camp. If they do, start them, if not it's ok to sit them as long as you have a real plan to develop them to be ready to take over whenever they're ready. Guys like Daniels, Penix and Nix are older coming out of college with more starting experience. Maye and JJM probably need more time and are younger, so sitting them wouldn't be unreasonable at all, even picking them at 3.
If your picking your future franchise QB, wherever that is, you have to make sure they have the best chance to succeed irregardless of what people outside the organization think. A more recent example; Jordan Love sat for 3 years behind Rodgers and now he's a star QB in the making if not already.
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Post by philskiw on Apr 10, 2024 15:10:35 GMT -5
try to mix in a little football talk now and then. you seem to be lost when it comes to that. Look in the mirror Mr. Lamar Jackson has played in 2 AFCCFG’s - Mac Jones was Offensive Rookie of the year. Looks like you need might need some type of football road map. dont forget penix will go in the second or third round. I believe I even got another mark it down.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 10, 2024 15:25:00 GMT -5
Look in the mirror Mr. Lamar Jackson has played in 2 AFCCFG’s - Mac Jones was Offensive Rookie of the year. Looks like you need might need some type of football road map. dont forget penix will go in the second or third round. I believe I even got another mark it down. that is correct prior to his medicals, I did say they would hinder his draft position once his medicals were cleared up, I posted; Simms Penix McCarthy Nix Moving Up Mar 4, 2024 at 4:51pm froglegs likes this Idk, I think if the Pats leave any of Williams, Maye or Daniels on the board and select JJM, many heads will explose on this forum, save for a couple. I like JJM as a prospect and feel he has some tools to work with, but simply don't see him as a rd 1 QB. ditto Nix I do think Penix is a rd 1 QB pending medicals
Williams, Maye and Daniels sure fire for me. of course they all could/will be drafted day 1, but I still see JJM and Nix as day 2 today. both need to sit a while.
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Post by philskiw on Apr 10, 2024 18:34:38 GMT -5
March 4 2024. Dig back a little deeper
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 10, 2024 20:02:06 GMT -5
Everyone talks about how different the NFL game is versus the college game. So why would you not sit a rookie for a year so he can learn and be ready? Shouldn't that be the norm? Perhaps throwing them in unprepared is the main reason for the high bust rate of QBs taken in Rd 1.
I'll tell you why rookie QBs get thrown on their rookie season.
1) The money involved distorts/clouds the decision making process. The money should not matter. Giving the kid more money does not speed up the learning process.
2) QBs taken in the top 10 go to bad teams. Often, to a bad team where the coach or GM are 2-3 yrs into their jobs with nothing to show for. So they are in the phase of their stints where they are desperate for their job to be saved by someone. Who better to be the savior than a standout rookie QB? If they're in the hot seat, they are not going to wait for another year before they throw the QB to the lions.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 10, 2024 23:20:20 GMT -5
Thanks guys. I got a bunch of answers.
Steve McNair & Carson Palmer were two good ones for sure.
I loved watching Palmer. He had some good players with him too. Chad Johnson, TJ Houshyomamma , Chris Henry, Corey Dillon. Awesome.
McNair had more heart and toughness than most QBs I’ve seen. He was a player that led by example on the field. It’s not hard to root for a player like that.
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