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Post by muzwell on Apr 11, 2024 8:05:10 GMT -5
Well, I do think that at the end, Bill Belichick created a lot of problems and as the head coach and leader of the team, he is responsible and he did need to go. However, Mac Jones was also a major problem and the team is much better without him also. However, Belichick did not deserve the trashing he got in the Dynasty series and it has backfired on the Krafts. And now, removing the "Do your Job" slogan seems like another petty and childish dig at Belichick's legacy. obviously the decison makers felt Bill was a major issue, and want to remove everything Bill related. if it works, I really don't have a problem with it. Parcells did it. Carroll did it. Bill did it. the players and staff that remain should all get the message very loudly and clearly. the team will be doing things differently. get used to it or get out of the way. the media here, and the fans here, will take anything the new management team does as a slap at Bill, because it is not Bill's way. seriously, invite Bill to Tom's ceremony (he won't attend I am sure) and give Bill a statue. otherwise, everyone should move on. The problem is they didn't remove everything Bill related. They moved some of it around, got rid of some old stuff but otherwise pretty much kept everything Bill related. That includes Wolf, Mayo, Groh and on and on. As you may recall, some of us advocated getting rid of everything and starting over. From scratch. Take down the posters and the artwork, knock down the walls and fire every damn last employee. They didn't do ANY of that. They even signed the players Bill drafted, almost all of them. They did a passive-aggressive rebuild and that's how they've treated the whole process. I really hope Bill tells them to keep their hall of fame ceremony and their statue. Use their money to end racism. And I'm not back. I don't see it happening any time soon. I may need to borrow some of your Jets gear.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 8:05:51 GMT -5
hey JRI, the year is 2024. the Pats have been a bad football team for a few years now. it is no longer 2000-2018. the time had come. sorry Did I say they were or weren't a bad football team. Nice deflection though. The guy who tells other posters to move on from posting about BB posts about him all day long. If you need help with the word hypocrisy let me know I'll post the definition again. I post about Bill when responding to other posters about why the team is bad. same as I posted about Bill when the team was good, and said he was the best coach in the history of the league get over yourself. you are boring
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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 8:08:04 GMT -5
obviously the decison makers felt Bill was a major issue, and want to remove everything Bill related. if it works, I really don't have a problem with it. Parcells did it. Carroll did it. Bill did it. the players and staff that remain should all get the message very loudly and clearly. the team will be doing things differently. get used to it or get out of the way. the media here, and the fans here, will take anything the new management team does as a slap at Bill, because it is not Bill's way. seriously, invite Bill to Tom's ceremony (he won't attend I am sure) and give Bill a statue. otherwise, everyone should move on. The problem is they didn't remove everything Bill related. They moved some of it around, got rid of some old stuff but otherwise pretty much kept everything Bill related. That includes Wolf, Mayo, Groh and on and on. As you may recall, some of us advocated getting rid of everything and starting over. From scratch. Take down the posters and the artwork, knock down the walls and fire every damn last employee. They didn't do ANY of that. They even signed the players Bill drafted, almost all of them. They did a passive-aggressive rebuild and that's how they've treated the whole process. I really hope Bill tells them to keep their hall of fame ceremony and their statue. Use their money to end racism. And I'm not back. I don't see it happening any time soon. I may need to borrow some of your Jets gear. I assume ownership was willing to do that, but had contractually agreed to Mayo a year or two prior, that he would get his shot. apparently it came sooner than they expected. Wolf apparently impressed them enough as well that they believe he is the person to lead them out of the current situation. I question if Groh is around after the draft
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Post by jri37 on Apr 11, 2024 8:08:11 GMT -5
Did I say they were or weren't a bad football team. Nice deflection though. The guy who tells other posters to move on from posting about BB posts about him all day long. If you need help with the word hypocrisy let me know I'll post the definition again. I post about Bill when responding to other psoters about why the team is bad. same as I posted about Bill when the team was good, and said he was the best coach in the history of the league get over yourself. you are boring Boring maybe but not never hypocritical. Let me know if you need some additional help with that word... hypocritical. I have no problems boring you.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 8:09:16 GMT -5
I post about Bill when responding to other psoters about why the team is bad. same as I posted about Bill when the team was good, and said he was the best coach in the history of the league get over yourself. you are boring Boring maybe but not never hypocritical. Let me know if you need some additional help with that word... hypocritical. I have no problems boring you. I will let you know when I need additional help I see you are agreeing the team has been bad. why have they?
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Post by jri37 on Apr 11, 2024 8:18:09 GMT -5
Boring maybe but not never hypocritical. Let me know if you need some additional help with that word... hypocritical. I have no problems boring you. I will let you know when I need additional help I see you are agreeing the team has been bad. why have they? 4-13 makes you bad. The reason(s) are many, but the ultimate responsibility falls on the guy in charge, Bill. I don't obsess like you. We are on to the collaboration. My curiosity will be how the D performs this year. IMHO the defense has been the strength of the team the last few years bordering on being a top D in the league. The offense put them in bad spots, put them on the field way too often and this is only an opinion but I the offense probably demoralized them at times.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 8:40:25 GMT -5
I will let you know when I need additional help I see you are agreeing the team has been bad. why have they? 4-13 makes you bad. The reason(s) are many, but the ultimate responsibility falls on the guy in charge, Bill. I don't obsess like you. We are on to the collaboration. My curiosity will be how the D performs this year. IMHO the defense has been the strength of the team the last few years bordering on being a top D in the league. The offense put them in bad spots, put them on the field way too often and this is only an opinion but I the offense probably demoralized them at times. much of the defensive staff returns the offensive staff has been completely over hauled, as has the special teams staff. I look forward to a collaboration. the GM taking input from scouts, coaches and maybe even players. I also look forward to a new way of winning football games. much more of an emphasis on offensive football, scoring points and controlling the ball. very eager to see how the draft unfolds. I think the new staff has breathed some new life into all of us. I don't see that as an obsession. I believe you are mistaken if you do, but of course entitled to that opinion
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 11, 2024 8:44:24 GMT -5
The diversity & collaboration station posts are mocking RKK and all the messaging that's come out post-BB. It, IMO, seems to be a coordinated effort to push a particular message and narrative, and I'm not enjoying it. With Mayo and Wolf, they wouldn't have been my first choice for their respective roles, but I think they are qualified for their respective jobs. IDK what Glaser truly does or is responsible for (if it's tied to the personnel side of the football operation, no I don't think she's qualified), so it's tough to comment on that, but they couldn't announce her hiring/promotion fast enough. The presser announcing that RKK & Israel had hired Mayo was barely over before the hiring/promotion was announced. I guess I am missing the diversity push you mention the collaboration obviously is a message that this is no longer a 1 man operation. I assume Glaser is what her title says she is, EVP of football business. Glaser’s work for Kraft Group has blended business leadership and legal strategy. She has led business affairs and compliance, and spearheaded sales and marketing programs. Glaser has also negotiated a variety of contracts, including those involving players and business deals. she had a lead role in deflategate defending the PAts. she has been with the Kraft group for over 15 years. I see nothing to indicate she will have a role on the field, drafting or with the players (other than the legal side of contracts). I agree that Mayo and Wolf have both earned their shot, have been in the building a while and have the owners and players backing. Did you watch the woke commercial that was Mayo's press conference? Not to mention the job posting for a BIPOC only candidate that was created by Kraft, or whoever on his team, that was removed because it was discriminatory. Yeah, we all get it's not longer a one-man operation, not sure why they need to mention it as often as they do, unless it's part of their narrative. If Glaser's role and impact is on the business side of things, cool. If it bleeds into personnel/coaching side of things, not cool. "Senior advisor to the Head Coach" is in her title. That's a football title.
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Post by jri37 on Apr 11, 2024 8:49:08 GMT -5
4-13 makes you bad. The reason(s) are many, but the ultimate responsibility falls on the guy in charge, Bill. I don't obsess like you. We are on to the collaboration. My curiosity will be how the D performs this year. IMHO the defense has been the strength of the team the last few years bordering on being a top D in the league. The offense put them in bad spots, put them on the field way too often and this is only an opinion but I the offense probably demoralized them at times. much of the defensive staff returns So if the D regresses the entire staff should be fired, correct?
the offensive staff has been completely over hauled, as has the special teams staff. The offense has been atrocious for a few years and won't be much better this year.
I look forward to a collaboration. the GM taking input from scouts, coaches and maybe even players. I also look forward to a new way of winning football games. much more of an emphasis on offensive football, scoring points and controlling the ball. If you are looking to enjoy offensive football next year you might want to take a year off.
very eager to see how the draft unfolds. I think the new staff has breathed some new life into all of us. Drafts and Free Agency are team building exercises which we won't know if successful for a few years.
I don't see that as an obsession. I believe you are mistaken if you do, but of course entitled to that opinion You obsess about Bill in the majority of your posts. Bill is no longer here. take your own advice and move on.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 11, 2024 8:50:20 GMT -5
The entire team outside of a few players is the one assembled by BB, they even brought back the guy he drafted in 2016 to play QB. So if they were trying to move away from BB, they weren't confident enough to take the pacifier out of their mouth and do a complete rebuild. They also knew he was correct in most personnel matters because they kept all his free agents this offseason.
They weren't a bad team last year, they were a bad offense... which resulted in that record. The collaborative chose the QB in 2021, they started hiring coaches and blending west coast concepts with Ernhardt-Perkins concepts... it became a jumbled mess. Could BB alone have fixed it, who knows? But before he dies Bob obviously wanted control of the team squarely back in his family's hands and wanted a clear path for Jonathan to mold the team in his image.
We'll know how it works in about five years or so, once all BB's players matriculate out and the roster turns over completely. We'll either be back to square one, looking to hire an entire staff or this group will take the solid foundation BB left for them and build upon it.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 8:54:28 GMT -5
I guess I am missing the diversity push you mention the collaboration obviously is a message that this is no longer a 1 man operation. I assume Glaser is what her title says she is, EVP of football business. Glaser’s work for Kraft Group has blended business leadership and legal strategy. She has led business affairs and compliance, and spearheaded sales and marketing programs. Glaser has also negotiated a variety of contracts, including those involving players and business deals. she had a lead role in deflategate defending the PAts. she has been with the Kraft group for over 15 years. I see nothing to indicate she will have a role on the field, drafting or with the players (other than the legal side of contracts). I agree that Mayo and Wolf have both earned their shot, have been in the building a while and have the owners and players backing. Did you watch the woke commercial that was Mayo's press conference? Not to mention the job posting for a BIPOC only candidate that was created by Kraft, or whoever on his team, that was removed because it was discriminatory. Yeah, we all get it's not longer a one-man operation, not sure why they need to mention it as often as they do, unless it's part of their narrative. If Glaser's role and impact is on the business side of things, cool. If it bleeds into personnel/coaching side of things, not cool. "Senior advisor to the Head Coach" is in her title. That's a football title. I don't think she will be Ernie Adams, but will be Berj Najerian, with a financial slant to help Mayo navigate contracts in hiring staff. I seriously doubt she is involved in the X's and O's, nor with the draft (other than potentially contrtacts after drafting)
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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 8:55:42 GMT -5
much of the defensive staff returns So if the D regresses the entire staff should be fired, correct?
the offensive staff has been completely over hauled, as has the special teams staff. The offense has been atrocious for a few years and won't be much better this year.
I look forward to a collaboration. the GM taking input from scouts, coaches and maybe even players. I also look forward to a new way of winning football games. much more of an emphasis on offensive football, scoring points and controlling the ball. If you are looking to enjoy offensive football next year you might want to take a year off.
very eager to see how the draft unfolds. I think the new staff has breathed some new life into all of us. Drafts and Free Agency are team building exercises which we won't know if successful for a few years.
I don't see that as an obsession. I believe you are mistaken if you do, but of course entitled to that opinion You obsess about Bill in the majority of your posts. Bill is no longer here. take your own advice and move on.you seem really down on the team. you thinking no improvements over last year?
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Post by jri37 on Apr 11, 2024 9:00:33 GMT -5
you seem really down on the team. you thinking no improvements over last year? I'm realistic. Most likely a new offense will be installed with a new QB and most likely a few rookies sprinkled in. Unless Van Pelt has some magic fairy dust I expect very little from the offense. Hopefully they get some pieces in place and those pieces have a full year to get themselves familiar with the new system. I think for at least the offense we are looking at some type of building block year.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 11, 2024 9:01:27 GMT -5
Did you watch the woke commercial that was Mayo's press conference? Not to mention the job posting for a BIPOC only candidate that was created by Kraft, or whoever on his team, that was removed because it was discriminatory. Yeah, we all get it's not longer a one-man operation, not sure why they need to mention it as often as they do, unless it's part of their narrative. If Glaser's role and impact is on the business side of things, cool. If it bleeds into personnel/coaching side of things, not cool. "Senior advisor to the Head Coach" is in her title. That's a football title. I don't think she will be Ernie Adams, but will be Berj Najerian, with a financial slant to help Mayo navigate contracts in hiring staff. I seriously doubt she is involved in the X's and O's, nor with the draft (other than potentially contrtacts after drafting) And if that's her role/impact on the football side, fine. I have no issues there.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 9:08:47 GMT -5
The entire team outside of a few players is the one assembled by BB, they even brought back the guy he drafted in 2016 to play QB. So if they were trying to move away from BB, they weren't confident enough to take the pacifier out of their mouth and do a complete rebuild. They also knew he was correct in most personnel matters because they kept all his free agents this offseason. They weren't a bad team last year, they were a bad offense... which resulted in that record. The collaborative chose the QB in 2021, they started hiring coaches and blending west coast concepts with Ernhardt-Perkins concepts... it became a jumbled mess. Could BB alone have fixed it, who knows? But before he dies Bob obviously wanted control of the team squarely back in his family's hands and wanted a clear path for Jonathan to mold the team in his vision. We'll know how it works in about five years or so, once all BB's players matriculate out and the roster turns over completely. We'll either be back to square one, looking to hire an entire staff or this group will take the solid foundation BB left for them and build upon it. I do not believe they brought back Brissett because Bill drafted him in 2016 (and was going to cut him a short whgile after). I do believe they brought back Brissett because of his relationship with the new OC from their Browns days. they did not bring back Guy, Phillips, Nixon, Jackson, Hall, Zeke. they did bring back Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings, Henry, Bourne. I doubt Wheatley, Reagor, Rourke, Elliss are on the 53 man roster. they moved off Mac, Brown, Parker, Wilson, Gesicki, Mills, Bryant, Board, Davis, Slater. they brought in 9 players with no ties to Bill. they also have 8 draft choices. the staff will be 75% new the management team will be 75% new the roster will be 40%-50% new this year. I agree much of the defense should be back. I also assume come Sept, pending how the draft and injuries play out, we most likely do not see JuJu, Thorton, Lowe, Wheatley back. maybe Harris and Rhyland.
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Post by backbay on Apr 11, 2024 9:28:50 GMT -5
Is this true??? Getting rid of Do your Job? Anyone have a link? Maybe the signs are being retro fitted to say "Please Do Your Job". 😁 or Please Lube Your Job
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 11, 2024 9:47:37 GMT -5
I do not believe they brought back Brissett because Bill drafted him in 2016 (and was going to cut him a short whgile after). I do believe they brought back Brissett because of his relationship with the new OC from their Browns days. they did not bring back Guy, Phillips, Nixon, Jackson, Hall, Zeke. they did bring back Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings, Henry, Bourne. I doubt Wheatley, Reagor, Rourke, Elliss are on the 53 man roster. they moved off Mac, Brown, Parker, Wilson, Gesicki, Mills, Bryant, Board, Davis, Slater. they brought in 9 players with no ties to Bill. they also have 8 draft choices. the staff will be 75% new the management team will be 75% new the roster will be 40%-50% new this year. I agree much of the defense should be back. I also assume come Sept, pending how the draft and injuries play out, we most likely do not see JuJu, Thorton, Lowe, Wheatley back. maybe Harris and Rhyland. They brought back a QB BB drafted because Brissett is a good player, the same reason they re-signed all their own free agents. No need to dance. Right now the roster is 98% BB guys, but you think adding 8 draft picks who may not all make the opening day roster will change that to 50% new roster? Math is not your strong suit, no wonder you struggle to understand salary cap.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 13:01:52 GMT -5
I do not believe they brought back Brissett because Bill drafted him in 2016 (and was going to cut him a short whgile after). I do believe they brought back Brissett because of his relationship with the new OC from their Browns days. they did not bring back Guy, Phillips, Nixon, Jackson, Hall, Zeke. they did bring back Dugger, Onwenu, Uche, Jennings, Henry, Bourne. I doubt Wheatley, Reagor, Rourke, Elliss are on the 53 man roster. they moved off Mac, Brown, Parker, Wilson, Gesicki, Mills, Bryant, Board, Davis, Slater. they brought in 9 players with no ties to Bill. they also have 8 draft choices. the staff will be 75% new the management team will be 75% new the roster will be 40%-50% new this year. I agree much of the defense should be back. I also assume come Sept, pending how the draft and injuries play out, we most likely do not see JuJu, Thorton, Lowe, Wheatley back. maybe Harris and Rhyland. They brought back a QB BB drafted because Brissett is a good player, the same reason they re-signed all their own free agents. No need to dance. Right now the roster is 98% BB guys, but you think adding 8 draft picks who may not all make the opening day roster will change that to 50% new roster? Math is not your strong suit, no wonder you struggle to understand salary cap. you made it sound like they bhrought back Brissett because BB drafted him. he played 2.5 games in an emergency and BB was going to cut him the following season. Brissett's ties to BB are meaningless are you saying Osborne, Gibson, Hooper, Okarfor, Brissett, Takitaki, Watts, Leverette are not making the team? If they are, the team with the draft choces is not 98% BB guys.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 11, 2024 16:17:31 GMT -5
I don't think she will be Ernie Adams, but will be Berj Najerian, with a financial slant to help Mayo navigate contracts in hiring staff. I seriously doubt she is involved in the X's and O's, nor with the draft (other than potentially contrtacts after drafting) And if that's her role/impact on the football side, fine. I have no issues there. same... what are your thoughts if jon kraft is really the one running football ops, and not wolf and the clown...err... collaboration station?
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Post by rkarp on Apr 11, 2024 16:31:20 GMT -5
And if that's her role/impact on the football side, fine. I have no issues there. same... what are your thoughts if jon kraft is really the one running football ops, and not wolf and the clown...err... collaboration station? I would like to see JK runinng the Kraft group immediately really smart guy. current with the state of the league. the state of the team. analytics. revenue stream. and a lifelong fan. let RK be the face. JK needs to be steering the ship
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 11, 2024 17:20:10 GMT -5
And if that's her role/impact on the football side, fine. I have no issues there. same... what are your thoughts if jon kraft is really the one running football ops, and not wolf and the clown...err... collaboration station? I feel like if the powers has been handed over to him, it would've been announced. I do question how much sway his younger wife has in things though, as we know Myra had plenty.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 11, 2024 19:19:33 GMT -5
you made it sound like they bhrought back Brissett because BB drafted him. he played 2.5 games in an emergency and BB was going to cut him the following season. Brissett's ties to BB are meaningless are you saying Osborne, Gibson, Hooper, Okarfor, Brissett, Takitaki, Watts, Leverette are not making the team? If they are, the team with the draft choces is not 98% BB guys. BB drafted Brissett, he's a BB guy. They had Brady and JimmyG, there was a roster crunch, that's why he got traded. You don't know dick about what BB was going to do with him the following season, stop being ridiculous. Osborne, Gibson, Hooper, Takitaki will make the roster. Watts might make the team as a situational pass rusher, he might also get cut. Leverette highly unlikely, he's a jag, a backup from an average line in Tampa. Okorafor will likely make the roster because Wolf foolishly gave him money that should have gone to a better player. So let's say 90% BB guys after the draft is finished.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 12, 2024 9:11:49 GMT -5
you made it sound like they bhrought back Brissett because BB drafted him. he played 2.5 games in an emergency and BB was going to cut him the following season. Brissett's ties to BB are meaningless are you saying Osborne, Gibson, Hooper, Okarfor, Brissett, Takitaki, Watts, Leverette are not making the team? If they are, the team with the draft choces is not 98% BB guys. BB drafted Brissett, he's a BB guy. They had Brady and JimmyG, there was a roster crunch, that's why he got traded. You don't know dick about what BB was going to do with him the following season, stop being ridiculous. Osborne, Gibson, Hooper, Takitaki will make the roster. Watts might make the team as a situational pass rusher, he might also get cut. Leverette highly unlikely, he's a jag, a backup from an average line in Tampa. Okorafor will likely make the roster because Wolf foolishly gave him money that should have gone to a better player. So let's say 90% BB guys after the draft is finished. I wiull say the team will have 15-17 new players on the roster. 30%. so this year 70% will be Bill's players. next year that number drops to under 50%
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 12, 2024 9:53:45 GMT -5
I wiull say the team will have 15-17 new players on the roster. 30%. so this year 70% will be Bill's players. next year that number drops to under 50% They have to cut down to 53 players… let’s revive this after preseason for a good laugh.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 12, 2024 10:56:43 GMT -5
I wiull say the team will have 15-17 new players on the roster. 30%. so this year 70% will be Bill's players. next year that number drops to under 50% They have to cut down to 53 players… let’s revive this after preseason for a good laugh. sure just saying I see Osborne, Gibson, Hooper, Okarfor, Brissett, Takitaki, Watts, Leverette all making the team. I also see 6 draft picks making the team. maybe an UDFA? a rrade or 2? like I said 15-17 new players this season, on a 53 man roster is approx 30% new players.
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