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Post by mthurl on Apr 18, 2024 10:14:37 GMT -5
Honestly I’m torn because I truly believe that BB is a fantastic coach, who was like everyone else without the QB, but I don’t think he’s out of touch or past his prime. And I have no idea If young and enthusiastic equals wins or “better”. But I do know that all this now falls on Kraft, his decisions, his wallet, his everything. As Bruce Willis once said, “welcome to the party pal”. IMO, the biggest x factor are the changing expectations and perceived entitlements that younger players have nowadays. Is BB able to relate to young players; and can young players relate to Bill Belichick. He's 72 YOA now. I don’t think that’s ever been a problem, besides there’s 10 coaches ahead/around Bill Belichick that players should be able to relate to. Unless you feel the head coach should be open and accommodating to every player on a roster (which I don’t). |
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Post by backto1992 on Apr 18, 2024 10:15:19 GMT -5
Where is prairimike when you need him? This must be one of the most messy articles I have read in a long time. And whatever happened to critical thinking? It's clear most fans and nearly all of the radio guys are running with a couple of sentences lol. The article is a hot mess. Disclaimer: I don't doubt that the relationship between RK and BB became strained at best. I accept that. It would be odd if two guys like that could work together for that many years and not want to choke each other lol. 1. 99% of the article lists all of the reasons why BB did not get hired by any of the teams, including the Falcons, and Kraft wasn't any of those reasons. Seriously, there were like a million reasons given for why BB wasn't hired by anyone. 2. The only reference to Kraft backstabbing BB is from a single source who didn't have direct knowledge, but talked to two other sources lol. It was the 2nd hand source close to BB which claimed RK was a big part of the reason BB wasn't hired by the falcons. This same source said he corroborated this with yet another 2nd hand source close to RK. Ok, so RK sabotaged BB and made sure everyone knew he did it? Sure… 3. Kraft is supposedly Blank's closest owner friend but apparently never knew any of Kraft's thoughts about BB until this? Really? Must not have been a very close friend. 4. Ok, this part sounds absurd: "Despite that friendly first session, the unthinkable happened for a billionaire and a legendary coach: Blank and Belichick checked each other's references." WTF? C'mon guys. Does this sound plausible? "Ok Bill, I'm going to check out your references. This is fairly normal for new interns we don't know a f#$k about. Oh! You work for Kraft. I'm actually a friend of his. He never mentioned you before though, so I need to give him a call. Had I known you worked for him earlier I would have checked your references before I invited you to my yacht. Oh, and here are some references you can call to check me out. BTW, are you any relation to that coach who came back to beat my team in the SB after going down 28-3?" The most plausible explanation is that the Falcons' staff themselves talked Blank out of BB. BB didn't even make the top three cut for any of them. Could RK have been a factor? Perhaps…a minor factor. We do all remember the reports about their staff not wanting BB, right? Better be careful writing common sense posts like this, there are any on this site who won’t take it well lol |
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 18, 2024 11:46:48 GMT -5
Would you rather go into this coming season with the same old coach who is 4-5 years past his exit date, looking forward to more of the same dysfunction as previous years..... or optimistic with a younger, enthusiastic coach who could maybe turn this organization around? Seriously, could it get any worse than the past couple years? Honestly I’m torn because I truly believe that BB is a fantastic coach, who was like everyone else without the QB, but I don’t think he’s out of touch or past his prime. And I have no idea If young and enthusiastic equals wins or “better”. But I do know that all this now falls on Kraft, his decisions, his wallet, his everything. As Bruce Willis once said, “welcome to the party pal”. I think BB has tremendous football knowledge and was a fantastic coach... the greatest. But the past 4-5 years he hasn't been. Instead of making some changes to keep Brady, he drove him to the airport. He let his failures of being a bad GM hurt his coaching. He could no longer coach players up enough to over come his bad GM and draft work. That's being the head coach/GM conflict of interest that I have talked about for years. He no longer had the ability to do it all and his star player wouldn't take it anymore. I give Brady credit for going along with it for as long as he did. Imagine Rodgers or Manning putting up with Belichick for as long as Brady did... It wouldn't have happened. The NFL saw BB as a coach who is past his prime, doesn't have it any longer, too old for a rebuild... no job offers, and it wasn't because of Kraft. |
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 18, 2024 11:49:32 GMT -5
he might have had a QB he ruined him before we could find out I’d argue that the QB just ruined a HOF head coach. And will ruin the Jaguars next if given a chance (which if they’re smart he won’t). Hoyer recently had an interview that would prove you wrong. When BB had Patricia take over as OC... that was the end of Bill, Patricia, and Mac. Mac is the only one with an NFL job. |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 18, 2024 12:09:55 GMT -5
Honestly I’m torn because I truly believe that BB is a fantastic coach, who was like everyone else without the QB, but I don’t think he’s out of touch or past his prime. And I have no idea If young and enthusiastic equals wins or “better”. But I do know that all this now falls on Kraft, his decisions, his wallet, his everything. As Bruce Willis once said, “welcome to the party pal”. I think BB has tremendous football knowledge and was a fantastic coach... the greatest. But the past 4-5 years he hasn't been. Instead of making some changes to keep Brady, he drove him to the airport. He let his failures of being a bad GM hurt his coaching. He could no longer coach players up enough to over come his bad GM and draft work. That's being the head coach/GM conflict of interest that I have talked about for years. He no longer had the ability to do it all and his star player wouldn't take it anymore. I give Brady credit for going along with it for as long as he did. Imagine Rodgers or Manning putting up with Belichick for as long as Brady did... It wouldn't have happened. The NFL saw BB as a coach who is past his prime, doesn't have it any longer, too old for a rebuild... no job offers, and it wasn't because of Kraft. while I believe you hit the nail on the head, most posters believe you missed badly. The Dynasty would have us believe that the credit should not go to Brady for staying together, but to Kraft. otherwise, I found The Dynasty, and eveything all the ex players said on film, very believable and what we saw with our own eyes |
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Post by mthurl on Apr 20, 2024 7:16:14 GMT -5
I’d argue that the QB just ruined a HOF head coach. And will ruin the Jaguars next if given a chance (which if they’re smart he won’t). Hoyer recently had an interview that would prove you wrong. When BB had Patricia take over as OC... that was the end of Bill, Patricia, and Mac. Mac is the only one with an NFL job. Prove me wrong? Hoyer? No one cares what Hoyer thinks, not even Hoyer |
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Post by muzwell on Apr 20, 2024 7:48:06 GMT -5
All the speculation about what happened with Atlanta and whoever is fascinating. I guess? But, did anyone mention anywhere that maybe Belichick played hardball because he didn’t want a coaching job all that much this year? He’s getting paid something like $28 million by Kraft. What’s his incentive to help Kraft out by getting a job that offsets that income? Taking a media job he gets to double dip. Maybe he’s not motivated by money at this point but he’s no dummy.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 20, 2024 8:02:26 GMT -5
All the speculation about what happened with Atlanta and whoever is fascinating. I guess? But, did anyone mention anywhere that maybe Belichick played hardball because he didn’t want a coaching job all that much this year? He’s getting paid something like $28 million by Kraft. What’s his incentive to help Kraft out by getting a job that offsets that income? Taking a media job he gets to double dip. Maybe he’s not motivated by money at this point but he’s no dummy. oh c'mon. Bill is petty but not that petty strictly from dollars and sense... Pats owe him $28m he takes the Atl job for $6m which offsets Bill still gets his $28m, and Kraft owes $22m not $28m of it ESPN pays Bill what, $75k per appearance? Mannings pay him $similar? Highly doubt Bill did not want the job due to dollars or "payback" to Kraft Bill went to Atl, twice to interview. they did not go to him. |
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Post by wazzu on Apr 20, 2024 9:43:25 GMT -5
All the speculation about what happened with Atlanta and whoever is fascinating. I guess? But, did anyone mention anywhere that maybe Belichick played hardball because he didn’t want a coaching job all that much this year? He’s getting paid something like $28 million by Kraft. What’s his incentive to help Kraft out by getting a job that offsets that income? Taking a media job he gets to double dip. Maybe he’s not motivated by money at this point but he’s no dummy. oh c'mon. Bill is petty but not that petty strictly from dollars and sense... Pats owe him $28m he takes the Atl job for $6m which offsets Bill still gets his $28m, and Kraft owes $22m not $28m of it ESPN pays Bill what, $75k per appearance? Mannings pay him $similar? Highly doubt Bill did not want the job due to dollars or "payback" to Kraft Bill went to Atl, twice to interview. they did not go to him. You honestly have no idea if anything that you just wrote has a single element of truth to it. No clue. You don’t know what Belichick wanted or did not want. |
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Post by mikelb on Apr 20, 2024 18:02:49 GMT -5
It's Kraft's ego. He will now do whatever he can to prevent Bill from becoming the winningest coach in NFL history. I've really lost a lot of interest in this team since BB has left. Should have hired Vrabel dumbass!
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