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Post by thejuice on Apr 22, 2024 13:31:06 GMT -5
same here... but for me, the one exception to that would be hoping they dont trade up from 3 overall lol, that would be actually hilarious. I’d probably die laughing if we traded up to 2nd just to choose the QB the collaborative wants. same here haha
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Post by rkarp on Apr 22, 2024 14:42:51 GMT -5
I am thinking if the Vikes pony up 3 first round picks and then some, the Pats will trade down to #11 and hope for Penix. if he goes before #11, they ride with Brissett and shoot for a QB next year. if the Vikings fail to pony up, the Pats stand pat and select Maye or Daniels I do believe the Vikes will pay 3 #1's DaPats gets his man, Penix
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Post by wazzu on Apr 22, 2024 14:44:40 GMT -5
I am thinking if the Vikes pony up 3 first round picks and then some, the Pats will trade down to #11 and hope for Penix. if he goes before #11, they ride with Brissett and shoot for a QB next year. if the Vikings fail to pony up, the Pats stand pat and select Maye or Daniels I do believe the Vikes will pay 3 #1's DaPats gets his man, Penix I don’t think Vikings will pay that. I could be wrong. We’ll soon find out.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 22, 2024 14:46:47 GMT -5
I am thinking if the Vikes pony up 3 first round picks and then some, the Pats will trade down to #11 and hope for Penix. if he goes before #11, they ride with Brissett and shoot for a QB next year. if the Vikings fail to pony up, the Pats stand pat and select Maye or Daniels I do believe the Vikes will pay 3 #1's DaPats gets his man, Penix Agree. IF Pats get an offer like that I think they take it.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 22, 2024 14:48:10 GMT -5
I am thinking if the Vikes pony up 3 first round picks and then some, the Pats will trade down to #11 and hope for Penix. if he goes before #11, they ride with Brissett and shoot for a QB next year. if the Vikings fail to pony up, the Pats stand pat and select Maye or Daniels I do believe the Vikes will pay 3 #1's DaPats gets his man, Penix imo, thats not enough... youd need to get an additional rd 2 or rd 3 pick in 24 or 25 in that deal along with 11,23 and a 25 1st... if you get that, you make the deal and then you can use one of the many 2s and 3s youd then have in 24 and 25, to move backup from 11 to nab a qb rather than hope one falls to 11...
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Post by thejuice on Apr 22, 2024 14:49:22 GMT -5
I am thinking if the Vikes pony up 3 first round picks and then some, the Pats will trade down to #11 and hope for Penix. if he goes before #11, they ride with Brissett and shoot for a QB next year. if the Vikings fail to pony up, the Pats stand pat and select Maye or Daniels I do believe the Vikes will pay 3 #1's DaPats gets his man, Penix Agree. IF Pats get an offer like that I think they take it. as well they should... if 1) its enough compensation to move down and 2) and most importantly, they dont think the qb they could just take at 3 is a cant miss, good to great qb for them for a decade plus... if they think that, theres no trade compensation that makes sense to pass that qb up
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Post by rkarp on Apr 22, 2024 15:00:53 GMT -5
Agree. IF Pats get an offer like that I think they take it. as well they should... if 1) its enough compensation to move down and 2) and most importantly, they dont think the qb they could just take at 3 is a cant miss, good to great qb for them for a decade plus... if they think that, theres no trade compensation that makes sense to pass that qb up 3 #1's and then some. this roster needs too much and they have Brissett to fall back on Pats accept that deal imo
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Post by thejuice on Apr 22, 2024 15:07:38 GMT -5
as well they should... if 1) its enough compensation to move down and 2) and most importantly, they dont think the qb they could just take at 3 is a cant miss, good to great qb for them for a decade plus... if they think that, theres no trade compensation that makes sense to pass that qb up 3 #1's and then some. this roster needs too much and they have Brissett to fall back on Pats accept that deal imo yeah, exactly... get the 3 1s and then at least one more, if not two more, good day 1/2 picks and/or a player like a christian darrisaw or a legit starter from minnesota that is in their prime.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 22, 2024 15:13:07 GMT -5
3 #1's and then some. this roster needs too much and they have Brissett to fall back on Pats accept that deal imo yeah, exactly... get the 3 1s and then at least one more, if not two more, good day 1/2 picks and/or a player like a christian darrisaw or a legit starter from minnesota that is in their prime. "and then some" is kind of grey. maybe a 2nd, maybe a 3rd.
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 22, 2024 15:55:05 GMT -5
The trade dreams here are like people thinking they would get a first for JG - fanatasy. The closest thing is the haul SF gave to move up to three for a QB - the #12 pick, their first in the next years draft (29th), their 3rd in the next years draft (#101), and their first in the draft two years away (#29). If you discount a round for each postponed year which is 'typical' accounting for future picks, that works out to a first, a second, a third, and a fourth round picks for a move from #12 to #3. A nice haul, but with the 49s winning ways, the future pciks all ended up late in the actual rounds when they actual picked so not that far off to actual value even given the future years.
If the Pats are offered #11, #23 and a first round pick in 2025 by MN that would be a princely haul for #3 and I for one would grab it - they could choose to trade up from #11 to 7 or 8 for much less and pick JJ who I believe will land in that range, or stay put and draft Penix or Nix who I don't see being picked in the top 10 and use 23 for a quality LT or a WR, and still have 34 for whichever one they didn't take at 23. In fact I could see them even trading down from 11 or trading up from 23 to still land Penix or Nix.
What I think will happen is that they use #3 to take the third QB and pray that he is better than Trey Lance! And pray the can find a LT somewhere after the first round but who will not be their day 1 starter.
What would be best for the team would be to use whatever their first pick ends up being on a starting LT and they might get Alt with a less lucrative trade with NYG back to #6 picking up a few more picks this year and next, and then take a QB later. But that is a move from an established coach/GM and Mayo/Wolf/JK are trying to make a name for themselves and will shoot for the moon on a QB.
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Post by fisher on Apr 22, 2024 16:26:41 GMT -5
Its not insane, it’s the cost of the 3rd overall pick. Why are so many fans just willing to hand over the 3rd pick!? Most of the shit offers I see on here, if the rolls were reversed, we’d be laughing at how bad we fleeced a team. I agree with waz on this one. A team giving up three 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder to move up three spots sounds crazy to me, too In reality, it’s just a swap of 1st rd picks this year …2 other first rd picks in future and maybe a 3rd…isn’t that right?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 22, 2024 18:05:21 GMT -5
I agree with waz on this one. A team giving up three 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder to move up three spots sounds crazy to me, too In reality, it’s just a swap of 1st rd picks this year …2 other first rd picks in future and maybe a 3rd…isn’t that right? The 47th pick is in Rd 2.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 23, 2024 8:32:47 GMT -5
The trade dreams here are like people thinking they would get a first for JG - fanatasy. The closest thing is the haul SF gave to move up to three for a QB - the #12 pick, their first in the next years draft (29th), their 3rd in the next years draft (#101), and their first in the draft two years away (#29). If you discount a round for each postponed year which is 'typical' accounting for future picks, that works out to a first, a second, a third, and a fourth round picks for a move from #12 to #3. A nice haul, but with the 49s winning ways, the future pciks all ended up late in the actual rounds when they actual picked so not that far off to actual value even given the future years. If the Pats are offered #11, #23 and a first round pick in 2025 by MN that would be a princely haul for #3 and I for one would grab it - they could choose to trade up from #11 to 7 or 8 for much less and pick JJ who I believe will land in that range, or stay put and draft Penix or Nix who I don't see being picked in the top 10 and use 23 for a quality LT or a WR, and still have 34 for whichever one they didn't take at 23. In fact I could see them even trading down from 11 or trading up from 23 to still land Penix or Nix. What I think will happen is that they use #3 to take the third QB and pray that he is better than Trey Lance! And pray the can find a LT somewhere after the first round but who will not be their day 1 starter. What would be best for the team would be to use whatever their first pick ends up being on a starting LT and they might get Alt with a less lucrative trade with NYG back to #6 picking up a few more picks this year and next, and then take a QB later. But that is a move from an established coach/GM and Mayo/Wolf/JK are trying to make a name for themselves and will shoot for the moon on a QB. Not the same situation: Trey Lance was a much more unknown commodity than getting Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels. I don't care about the draft value trade chart when it comes to top 3 picks and potential franchise QBs. I don't think any offer is honestly big enough IF the front office believes Drake Maye and/or Jayden Daniels will be good enough to win a Super Bowl and be our franchise QB heading into the late 2020's. But if the Vikings are in fact so desperate (as has been reported) to move up to draft Maye, I want 4-5 first round picks plus their starting LT Christian Darrisaw to seriously consider it. Call it fantasy however you want, but that would be my price because otherwise I'm happy to stay at 3 and pick Maye or Daniels. Now if in fact they don't want either Maye or Daniels who happens to drop to 3, different story. I'm more amenable to 3-4 first round picks as a baseline. But I'd still want as much as possible. If Vikings weren't willing to play ball, talk to the Giants.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 23, 2024 8:39:03 GMT -5
The trade dreams here are like people thinking they would get a first for JG - fanatasy. The closest thing is the haul SF gave to move up to three for a QB - the #12 pick, their first in the next years draft (29th), their 3rd in the next years draft (#101), and their first in the draft two years away (#29). If you discount a round for each postponed year which is 'typical' accounting for future picks, that works out to a first, a second, a third, and a fourth round picks for a move from #12 to #3. A nice haul, but with the 49s winning ways, the future pciks all ended up late in the actual rounds when they actual picked so not that far off to actual value even given the future years. If the Pats are offered #11, #23 and a first round pick in 2025 by MN that would be a princely haul for #3 and I for one would grab it - they could choose to trade up from #11 to 7 or 8 for much less and pick JJ who I believe will land in that range, or stay put and draft Penix or Nix who I don't see being picked in the top 10 and use 23 for a quality LT or a WR, and still have 34 for whichever one they didn't take at 23. In fact I could see them even trading down from 11 or trading up from 23 to still land Penix or Nix. What I think will happen is that they use #3 to take the third QB and pray that he is better than Trey Lance! And pray the can find a LT somewhere after the first round but who will not be their day 1 starter. What would be best for the team would be to use whatever their first pick ends up being on a starting LT and they might get Alt with a less lucrative trade with NYG back to #6 picking up a few more picks this year and next, and then take a QB later. But that is a move from an established coach/GM and Mayo/Wolf/JK are trying to make a name for themselves and will shoot for the moon on a QB. Not the same situation: Trey Lance was a much more unknown commodity than getting Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels. I don't care about the draft value trade chart when it comes to top 3 picks and potential franchise QBs. I don't think any offer is honestly big enough IF the front office believes Drake Maye and/or Jayden Daniels will be good enough to win a Super Bowl and be our franchise QB heading into the late 2020's. But if the Vikings are in fact so desperate (as has been reported) to move up to draft Maye, I want 4-5 first round picks plus their starting LT Christian Darrisaw to seriously consider it. Call it fantasy however you want, but that would be my price because otherwise I'm happy to stay at 3 and pick Maye or Daniels. Now if in fact they don't want either Maye or Daniels who happens to drop to 3, different story. I'm more amenable to 3-4 first round picks as a baseline. But I'd still want as much as possible. If Vikings weren't willing to play ball, talk to the Giants. If that’s your price, then you’re picking at #3. Period. Which is fine. Take your favorite available QB. But I guarantee you no one will offer anything close to that offer.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 23, 2024 8:46:59 GMT -5
Not the same situation: Trey Lance was a much more unknown commodity than getting Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels. I don't care about the draft value trade chart when it comes to top 3 picks and potential franchise QBs. I don't think any offer is honestly big enough IF the front office believes Drake Maye and/or Jayden Daniels will be good enough to win a Super Bowl and be our franchise QB heading into the late 2020's. But if the Vikings are in fact so desperate (as has been reported) to move up to draft Maye, I want 4-5 first round picks plus their starting LT Christian Darrisaw to seriously consider it. Call it fantasy however you want, but that would be my price because otherwise I'm happy to stay at 3 and pick Maye or Daniels. Now if in fact they don't want either Maye or Daniels who happens to drop to 3, different story. I'm more amenable to 3-4 first round picks as a baseline. But I'd still want as much as possible. If Vikings weren't willing to play ball, talk to the Giants. If that’s your price, then you’re picking at #3. Period. Which is fine. Take your favorite available QB. But I guarantee you no one will offer anything close to that offer. It would be unprecedented, but the Vikings are desperate IMO and their owner might push to give up everything if it needs to be done. Idk if "ScoutD" on X is reliable at all, but Schefter follows the account and they reported that both the Vikings and Giants are willing to "sell the farm" and have made "Bryce Young-like offers" for the 3rd pick if Maye is there. But yes, I'm personally more than happy, in fact prefer, to pick at 3 anyway so for me at least its a moot point.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 23, 2024 8:54:11 GMT -5
If that’s your price, then you’re picking at #3. Period. Which is fine. Take your favorite available QB. But I guarantee you no one will offer anything close to that offer. It would be unprecedented, but the Vikings are desperate IMO and their owner might push to give up everything if it needs to be done. Idk if "ScoutD" on X is reliable at all, but Schefter follows the account and they reported that both the Vikings and Giants are willing to "sell the farm" and have made "Bryce Young-like offers" for the 3rd pick if Maye is there. But yes, I'm personally more than happy, in fact prefer, to pick at 3 anyway so for me at least its a moot point. I wouldn’t put much stock into someone named “ScoutD” who has a Twitter account.
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Post by fessin on Apr 23, 2024 9:39:24 GMT -5
My gut feeling is that when the draft is over, a bunch of people on this forum will be excited with the picks and a bunch will be pissed off.
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Post by freediro on Apr 23, 2024 9:48:26 GMT -5
My gut feeling is that when the draft is over, a bunch of people on this forum will be excited with the picks and a bunch will be pissed off. can’t wait for the thread that is “A+ draft” and the other that is “The Collaboration has FAILED this draft!”
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Post by garytx on Apr 23, 2024 9:49:37 GMT -5
That’s insane. There’s no way in hell the Giants would do that. Its not insane, it’s the cost of the 3rd overall pick. Why are so many fans just willing to hand over the 3rd pick!? Most of the shit offers I see on here, if the rolls were reversed, we’d be laughing at how bad we fleeced a team. It's not insane at all. The Pats are not going to move off that pick unless they get that great offer. You are going to have to over pay to get that pick else the Pats are happy to stay put and select their QB for the future.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 23, 2024 11:57:16 GMT -5
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 23, 2024 12:10:49 GMT -5
I'm convinced at this point we're trying to trade down; the way Rap said we "would move for the right offer" tells me they're telling teams to up their offers and the Pats are not convicted on Maye and want to move down to get McCarthy or Penix.
I think we're trying to move down to 6 to make sure we still get McCarthy and get the Giants 2nd round pick and their 1st next year.
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Post by freediro on Apr 23, 2024 12:15:44 GMT -5
I'm convinced at this point we're trying to trade down; the way Rap said we "would move for the right offer" tells me they're telling teams to up their offers and the Pats are not convicted on Maye and want to move down to get McCarthy or Penix. I think we're trying to move down to 6 to make sure we still get McCarthy and get the Giants 2nd round pick and their 1st next year. id sell my truck for the right offer and buy another car I like, doesn’t mean I’ll do it even if I like the offer. I see no reason to think the Pats have any obvious intention to trade down.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 23, 2024 12:20:08 GMT -5
I'm convinced at this point we're trying to trade down; the way Rap said we "would move for the right offer" tells me they're telling teams to up their offers and the Pats are not convicted on Maye and want to move down to get McCarthy or Penix. I think we're trying to move down to 6 to make sure we still get McCarthy and get the Giants 2nd round pick and their 1st next year. id sell my truck for the right offer and buy another car I like, doesn’t mean I’ll do it even if I like the offer. I see no reason to think the Pats have any obvious intention to trade down. I want to believe your right, but the way its worded is what scares me. "New England would move for the right offer". I would feel better if he worded it something like "New England would ONLY move if it was blown away". After Russini's report yesterday, I just feel like the Pats, even if they like Maye, don't like him enough to want to stick at 3 if its up to them. I think there's still a real chance they stay there at 3, but at that point I wonder if they would just take JJM at 3. I hope I'm wrong and they just take Maye at 3. But it doesn't feel good.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 23, 2024 12:28:10 GMT -5
Ok this sounds a little more promising. Still, at this point, I think they're gonna draft McCarthy at 3 if they can't trade down. I don't think they want Maye
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 23, 2024 13:16:16 GMT -5
Ok this sounds a little more promising. Still, at this point, I think they're gonna draft McCarthy at 3 if they can't trade down. I don't think they want Maye It’s all smoke screen at the moment.
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