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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 23, 2024 13:40:22 GMT -5
3 #1's and then some. this roster needs too much and they have Brissett to fall back on Pats accept that deal imo yeah, exactly... get the 3 1s and then at least one more, if not two more, good day 1/2 picks and/or a player like a christian darrisaw or a legit starter from minnesota that is in their prime. Would the Vikings trade 11, 23, 2025 1rst rounder and add LT Christian Darrisaw or Jordan Addison for #3? Getting a player that’s a position of need included would make filling out the roster with two first rounders this year easier. With Brissett on the roster you don’t have e to force a QB selection anywhere. Pick top tier talent with the two firsts. If one happens to be a QB that’s great!
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Post by wazzu on Apr 23, 2024 13:45:44 GMT -5
yeah, exactly... get the 3 1s and then at least one more, if not two more, good day 1/2 picks and/or a player like a christian darrisaw or a legit starter from minnesota that is in their prime. Would the Vikings trade 11, 23, 2025 1rst rounder and add LT Christian Darrisaw or Jordan Addison for #3? Getting a player that’s a position of need included would make filling out the roster with two first rounders this year easier. With Brissett on the roster you don’t have e to force a QB selection anywhere. Pick top tier talent with the two firsts. If one happens to be a QB that’s great! If New England actually trades back from #3, I think a lot of people are going to be pretty disappointed when they see the actual compensation.
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Post by fessin on Apr 23, 2024 15:13:48 GMT -5
I'm convinced at this point we're trying to trade down; the way Rap said we "would move for the right offer" tells me they're telling teams to up their offers and the Pats are not convicted on Maye and want to move down to get McCarthy or Penix. I think we're trying to move down to 6 to make sure we still get McCarthy and get the Giants 2nd round pick and their 1st next year. I think if we move to 6, the Vikings are gonna jump us and take JJM. I think if that happens, we will trade back again.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 23, 2024 15:24:17 GMT -5
Would the Vikings trade 11, 23, 2025 1rst rounder and add LT Christian Darrisaw or Jordan Addison for #3? Getting a player that’s a position of need included would make filling out the roster with two first rounders this year easier. With Brissett on the roster you don’t have e to force a QB selection anywhere. Pick top tier talent with the two firsts. If one happens to be a QB that’s great! If New England actually trades back from #3, I think a lot of people are going to be pretty disappointed when they see the actual compensation. Which is they’re most likely staying at 3
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Post by freediro on Apr 23, 2024 15:56:15 GMT -5
I'm convinced at this point we're trying to trade down; the way Rap said we "would move for the right offer" tells me they're telling teams to up their offers and the Pats are not convicted on Maye and want to move down to get McCarthy or Penix. I think we're trying to move down to 6 to make sure we still get McCarthy and get the Giants 2nd round pick and their 1st next year. I think if we move to 6, the Vikings are gonna jump us and take JJM. I think if that happens, we will trade back again. kill me now
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Post by wazzu on Apr 23, 2024 16:21:51 GMT -5
If New England actually trades back from #3, I think a lot of people are going to be pretty disappointed when they see the actual compensation. Which is they’re most likely staying at 3 Agree
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Post by philskiw on Apr 24, 2024 4:44:03 GMT -5
Just take Alt and be happy we hit on this pick. We blow this pick you think the protests at Thudersticks alma mater are big, the stadium could burn.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Apr 24, 2024 22:01:59 GMT -5
Joe Alt would be a great pick if we had an answer at QB......last thing we need is to be the Browns with Joe Thomas. Great player. Didn't have the QB.
If you told me you could trade back, get Alt and then draft a McCarthy or Penix, ok. But leaving the draft without a QB would be baffling.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 24, 2024 22:54:32 GMT -5
I really wish Mayo would quit referring to a strong trade offer as “a bag”. For one thing, I don’t know what the hell he is trying to refer to. For another, it just sounds unintelligent, unprofessional, and uneducated.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 25, 2024 3:21:23 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been mentioned but yesterday they played a clip of JJ McCarthy talking about his meeting with owner Bob Kraft. That’s a “tell” in some people’s book that they are drafting him (because he actually had a meeting with the owner). I don’t believe any of the other prospects personally met with the owner, but I could be wrong. I’m not a fan of McCarthy at 3, or 6…I don’t think he’s worthy of top ten status. He reminds me too much of Mitch Trubisky for my liking…then again he also reminds me of a young Tom Brady with athleticism. I still don’t draft him that high.
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Post by CWTB on Apr 25, 2024 5:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by philskiw on Apr 25, 2024 6:00:31 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been mentioned but yesterday they played a clip of JJ McCarthy talking about his meeting with owner Bob Kraft. That’s a “tell” in some people’s book that they are drafting him (because he actually had a meeting with the owner). I don’t believe any of the other prospects personally met with the owner, but I could be wrong. I’m not a fan of McCarthy at 3, or 6…I don’t think he’s worthy of top ten status. He reminds me too much of Mitch Trubisky for my liking…then again he also reminds me of a young Tom Brady with athleticism. I still don’t draft him that high. calebe reminds me of jemarcus russel/ Vince young type of player. Naturally the bears will screw up this pick like they always do. They should have grabbed BB for HC
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Post by pcm4 on Apr 25, 2024 11:15:09 GMT -5
We're taking Maye at 3.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 25, 2024 11:38:24 GMT -5
Happy Draft Week! -On my commute to the office this morning, I had a strong gut feeling that NE would end up with Jayden Daniels on Thursday night. Well, Jayden Daniels or Joe Alt, and that latter name has been flashing for me the entire draft cycle. - 1.) Everyone has their preferred Rd 1 QB at this point, and most would agree that they have to take one early... so it just comes down to who they'll end up with. And, while JJM is my guy in this class, I'd be super stoked to land Jayden Daniels. Most know I'm not a big Drake Maye guy, but honestly, any QB they take in Rd 1 would excite me, as it would show just how high they were on that players potential, and fit with the team. RESPONSE: I'd be shocked if Daniels fell to the Patriots at #3. Washington will take him at pick #2. I too am not sold on Drake Maye. He's more of a project - very raw - and didn't face top flight collegiate competition at UNC. If they go Maye, their best bet is probably to redshirt him during his rookie year, and let him learn behind Jacoby Brissett. Sitting out a year worked wonders for Tom Brady and St. Patrick. So...who knows. Do the Patriots really want to gamble here, with Alt, Harrison, and Nabers available? Is there a trade down worth taking? My guess is that the Pats will feel forced to roll dice with Maye. If they trade down, they might be able to score the DT from Texas who's drawing comparisons to Aaron Darnold, or can draw upon the deep well at OT or WR positions. But, that will still leave them with a gaping hole at franchise quarterback.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 25, 2024 12:01:09 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been mentioned but yesterday they played a clip of JJ McCarthy talking about his meeting with owner Bob Kraft. That’s a “tell” in some people’s book that they are drafting him (because he actually had a meeting with the owner). I don’t believe any of the other prospects personally met with the owner, but I could be wrong. I’m not a fan of McCarthy at 3, or 6…I don’t think he’s worthy of top ten status. He reminds me too much of Mitch Trubisky for my liking…then again he also reminds me of a young Tom Brady with athleticism. I still don’t draft him that high. i am pretty sure that its pretty common for qbs (at least guys thought to be going high in the first rd) to meet with the owner when coming in for a visit. i have heard that here and there throughout this process in the last couple weeks in a few different spots
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 25, 2024 12:12:44 GMT -5
I keep thinking of the draft when Pitt was the only team to draft a QB in round one (Pickett at 20) and the next taken was in round 3. As I remember the hype about all those QBs, I think the pre draft consensus ended with 2 or 3 taken in the top ten and maybe 4 in the first round - everyone knew Pitt wanted Pickett and were wondering how much they were going to have to trade to get into the top 10.
I know the top of this years QB class is much better, but I think all of the QBs in this draft are not any better regarded than the 5 taken in 2021 four of which have been traded away for peanuts, and the fifth (the first pick overall and seen as 'generational') has struggled mightily. And the number of desperate teams is about the average for any draft. So ... buyer beware - teams and pundits can convince themselves of anything, with missing out on the next Brady (199), Rogers (20), Mahomes (11) and ending up with Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones.
The comp of Maye to Allen is just one of fantasies out there! JJ - Michigan you know, wink wink or the next Rogers, such a similar make up!, Daniels is Lamar I bet! Caleb is ... Mahomes! etc.
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Post by thehub on Apr 25, 2024 14:11:38 GMT -5
I keep thinking of the draft when Pitt was the only team to draft a QB in round one (Pickett at 20) and the next taken was in round 3. As I remember the hype about all those QBs, I think the pre draft consensus ended with 2 or 3 taken in the top ten and maybe 4 in the first round - everyone knew Pitt wanted Pickett and were wondering how much they were going to have to trade to get into the top 10. I know the top of this years QB class is much better, but I think all of the QBs in this draft are not any better regarded than the 5 taken in 2021 four of which have been traded away for peanuts, and the fifth (the first pick overall and seen as 'generational') has struggled mightily. And the number of desperate teams is about the average for any draft. So ... buyer beware - teams and pundits can convince themselves of anything, with missing out on the next Brady (199), Rogers (20), Mahomes (11) and ending up with Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones. The comp of Maye to Allen is just one of fantasies out there! JJ - Michigan you know, wink wink or the next Rogers, such a similar make up!, Daniels is Lamar I bet! Caleb is ... Mahomes! etc. Teams need to keep scratching that ticket though. 4 of 5 in the MAC Jones draft were busts (all traded) and now we have 6 more to look at tonight and tomorrow. That 11 QBs and I would hope 4 of them end up being good if we trust the numbers over time. So, this year I hope 3 of them are very good. Doubt it but hopefully.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 25, 2024 14:26:50 GMT -5
I keep thinking of the draft when Pitt was the only team to draft a QB in round one (Pickett at 20) and the next taken was in round 3. As I remember the hype about all those QBs, I think the pre draft consensus ended with 2 or 3 taken in the top ten and maybe 4 in the first round - everyone knew Pitt wanted Pickett and were wondering how much they were going to have to trade to get into the top 10. I know the top of this years QB class is much better, but I think all of the QBs in this draft are not any better regarded than the 5 taken in 2021 four of which have been traded away for peanuts, and the fifth (the first pick overall and seen as 'generational') has struggled mightily. And the number of desperate teams is about the average for any draft. So ... buyer beware - teams and pundits can convince themselves of anything, with missing out on the next Brady (199), Rogers (20), Mahomes (11) and ending up with Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones. The comp of Maye to Allen is just one of fantasies out there! JJ - Michigan you know, wink wink or the next Rogers, such a similar make up!, Daniels is Lamar I bet! Caleb is ... Mahomes! etc. I'm not high on any of the top tier QBs in this draft to be honest. Of the lot, I like JJ's competitive fire and the way he plays the game, but he's got flaws. As I said in the post "what would I like to have happen"...I'm completely content if the Pats trade out or if not trade out, don't take one of the "top tier QBs" and instead grab Alt or MHJ, take a shot later in the draft with Nix or whomever else, and try to load up on picks for next year and select then.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 25, 2024 14:59:32 GMT -5
I keep thinking of the draft when Pitt was the only team to draft a QB in round one (Pickett at 20) and the next taken was in round 3. As I remember the hype about all those QBs, I think the pre draft consensus ended with 2 or 3 taken in the top ten and maybe 4 in the first round - everyone knew Pitt wanted Pickett and were wondering how much they were going to have to trade to get into the top 10. I know the top of this years QB class is much better, but I think all of the QBs in this draft are not any better regarded than the 5 taken in 2021 four of which have been traded away for peanuts, and the fifth (the first pick overall and seen as 'generational') has struggled mightily. And the number of desperate teams is about the average for any draft. So ... buyer beware - teams and pundits can convince themselves of anything, with missing out on the next Brady (199), Rogers (20), Mahomes (11) and ending up with Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones. The comp of Maye to Allen is just one of fantasies out there! JJ - Michigan you know, wink wink or the next Rogers, such a similar make up!, Daniels is Lamar I bet! Caleb is ... Mahomes! etc. I'm not high on any of the top tier QBs in this draft to be honest. Of the lot, I like JJ's competitive fire and the way he plays the game, but he's got flaws. As I said in the post "what would I like to have happen"...I'm completely content if the Pats trade out or if not trade out, don't take one of the "top tier QBs" and instead grab Alt or MHJ, take a shot later in the draft with Nix or whomever else, and try to load up on picks for next year and select then. honestly, just as long as they dont screw this up.... theres almost no way they can, unless they try hard to do so... which i am not sure they are immune from doing lol
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Post by squishthefish on Apr 25, 2024 15:13:00 GMT -5
I'm not high on any of the top tier QBs in this draft to be honest. Of the lot, I like JJ's competitive fire and the way he plays the game, but he's got flaws. As I said in the post "what would I like to have happen"...I'm completely content if the Pats trade out or if not trade out, don't take one of the "top tier QBs" and instead grab Alt or MHJ, take a shot later in the draft with Nix or whomever else, and try to load up on picks for next year and select then. honestly, just as long as they dont screw this up.... theres almost no way they can, unless they try hard to do so... which i am not sure they are immune from doing lol Or they try to focus on selling tickets short term versus improving the team long term.
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Post by ucmiami on Apr 25, 2024 17:00:22 GMT -5
honestly, just as long as they dont screw this up.... theres almost no way they can, unless they try hard to do so... which i am not sure they are immune from doing lol Or they try to focus on selling tickets short term versus improving the team long term. Or Kraft wants another 'son' to ease his dotage!
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