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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 25, 2024 7:51:56 GMT -5
For me, it's pretty simple. They're devoid of the most important position in pro sports. One where if you don't have a good/great/elite one, your season is essentially over before it starts, and you have little chance of consistently competing for the playoffs and championships.
They also have a relatively rare opportunity to draft high, and take one of the better prospects in the draft... so, go get your fvcken franchise quarterback!
Take any of the below, and I'll be happy. I've listed them in order of preference, but all four will excite me, as each brings something exciting to the table, from athleticism, to arm talent, to leadership, to winning, to upside.
1. JJ McCarthy 2. Jayden Daniels 3. Michael Penix Jr. 4. Drake Maye
Note: Yes, if they can move back, acquire additional capital and players, and still land one of those four, I view it as best case scenario.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 25, 2024 7:55:48 GMT -5
Don’t get cute and trade back when you need a franchise QB. If the Redskins are kind enough to leave Drake Maye on the board for NE, draft him. Don’t mess around. Otherwise, draft McCarthy.
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Post by garytx on Apr 25, 2024 8:01:36 GMT -5
The big day is finally here! I'm curious as to why you're so big on JJ? Don't you have any concerns about the team that surrounded him? I know they ran the pro style offense and that's a big plus but that defense and a sound running game never put him in a position of bailing the team out. All he had to do was take care of the football. No pressure.
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Post by garytx on Apr 25, 2024 8:10:37 GMT -5
Don’t get cute and trade back when you need a franchise QB. If the Redskins are kind enough to leave Drake Maye on the board for NE, draft him. Don’t mess around. Otherwise, draft McCarthy. I would think if the package is generous enough that one would bite. I emphasize generous here . We don't know what they think of Nix and Penix. Forget about what the draftniks think and say. A lot of coaching up is going to be required regardless of who is chosen for QB. Plus who ever is picked will get to watch and work with Bissett. They will have time which is very nice. I also find it interesting that just a couple of weeks ago JJ McCarthy shot up the charts. Will that hold true or was it all talk and guessing?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 25, 2024 8:10:46 GMT -5
The big day is finally here! I'm curious as to why you're so big on JJ? Don't you have any concerns about the team that surrounded him? I know they ran the pro style offense and that's a big plus but that defense and a sound running game never put him in a position of bailing the team out. All he had to do was take care of the football. No pressure. I live the overall package as a prospect. The leadership, efficiency, ability to operate and succeed in a pro-style system, athleticism, play-making ability, arm talent... and I think he's strong between the ears. Sure, he has some concerns, and things he'll need to prove/work on, but that can be said about all of these QB's. Oh, I also like that he's still young, yet ascending as a prospect... and the Michigan thing drums up some nostalgia from the last guy, which doesn't hurt. I also think he's a high-floor guy, with a plenty of upside.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2024 8:14:13 GMT -5
For me, it's pretty simple. They're devoid of the most important position in pro sports. One where if you don't have a good/great/elite one, your season is essentially over before it starts, and you have little chance of consistently competing for the playoffs and championships. They also have a relatively rare opportunity to draft high, and take one of the better prospects in the draft... so, go get your fvcken franchise quarterback! Take any of the below, and I'll be happy. I've listed them in order of preference, but all four will excite me, as each brings something exciting to the table, from athleticism, to arm talent, to leadership, to winning, to upside. 1. JJ McCarthy 2. Jayden Daniels 3. Michael Penix Jr. 4. Drake Maye Note: Yes, if they can move back, acquire additional capital and players, and still land one of those four, I view it as best case scenario. is Goff good? great? elite? is Purdy good? great? elite? is Dak good? great? elite? is Brissett?
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 25, 2024 8:15:37 GMT -5
Drake Maye will be our QB barring a huge trade. I still like his upside. We shall see but you have to put some talent around this kid.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 25, 2024 8:16:07 GMT -5
Maye or McCarthy at 3, whichever one is available or they have a strong conviction about.
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Post by garytx on Apr 25, 2024 8:21:30 GMT -5
The big day is finally here! I'm curious as to why you're so big on JJ? Don't you have any concerns about the team that surrounded him? I know they ran the pro style offense and that's a big plus but that defense and a sound running game never put him in a position of bailing the team out. All he had to do was take care of the football. No pressure. I live the overall package as a prospect. The leadership, efficiency, ability to operate and succeed in a pro-style system, athleticism, play-making ability, arm talent... and I think he's strong between the ears. Sure, he has some concerns, and things he'll need to prove/work on, but that can be said about all of these QB's. Oh, I also like that he's still young, yet ascending as a prospect... and the Michigan thing drums up some nostalgia from the last guy, which doesn't hurt. I also think he's a high-floor guy, with a plenty of upside. Of leadership, athleticism and running a pro style offense I have no questions. Very impressed with how fast he can run. I think his arm good, play making ability I question and efficiency is clouded by the team that surrounded him. Of course efficiency with any QB coming to Foxboro will be a problem with that OL the Pats have as most of these guys did come from successful programs. They would be coming to a team that has a questionable OL and WR corp. This QB thing has me going nuts.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 25, 2024 8:26:06 GMT -5
For me, it's pretty simple. They're devoid of the most important position in pro sports. One where if you don't have a good/great/elite one, your season is essentially over before it starts, and you have little chance of consistently competing for the playoffs and championships. They also have a relatively rare opportunity to draft high, and take one of the better prospects in the draft... so, go get your fvcken franchise quarterback! Take any of the below, and I'll be happy. I've listed them in order of preference, but all four will excite me, as each brings something exciting to the table, from athleticism, to arm talent, to leadership, to winning, to upside. 1. JJ McCarthy 2. Jayden Daniels 3. Michael Penix Jr. 4. Drake Maye Note: Yes, if they can move back, acquire additional capital and players, and still land one of those four, I view it as best case scenario. is Goff good? great? elite? is Purdy good? great? elite? is Dak good? great? elite? is Brissett? I think Goff, Purdy and Dak are all at least good QB's. I view Brissett as a professional bridge guy. A good pro dude, who knows his role.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 25, 2024 8:26:10 GMT -5
Maye or McCarthy at 3, whichever one is available or they have a strong conviction about. Well said. I agree. This is where I’m happy that they have Van Pelt on the staff. I trust his opinions and evaluation on these guys.
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Post by ATJ on Apr 25, 2024 8:27:45 GMT -5
Maye first choice, McCarthy second choice UNLESS the Pats get a socks-off-knocking trade proposal.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 25, 2024 8:28:07 GMT -5
Well said. I agree. This is where I’m happy that they have Van Pelt on the staff. I trust his opinions and evaluation on these guys. I don’t dislike Daniels, he’s just a different system fit for what I perceive they want to do. I hope they get it right.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2024 8:28:22 GMT -5
I live the overall package as a prospect. The leadership, efficiency, ability to operate and succeed in a pro-style system, athleticism, play-making ability, arm talent... and I think he's strong between the ears. Sure, he has some concerns, and things he'll need to prove/work on, but that can be said about all of these QB's. Oh, I also like that he's still young, yet ascending as a prospect... and the Michigan thing drums up some nostalgia from the last guy, which doesn't hurt. I also think he's a high-floor guy, with a plenty of upside. Of leadership, athleticism and running a pro style offense I have no questions. Very impressed with how fast he can run. I think his arm good, play making ability I question and efficiency is clouded by the team that surrounded him. Of course efficiency with any QB coming to Foxboro will be a problem with that OL the Pats have as most of these guys did come from successful programs. They would be coming to a team that has a questionable OL and WR corp. This QB thing has me going nuts. the big unknown is will the Pats ask a young QB to play a specific scheme on offense, or will the staff tool the offensive scheme to the QB's strengths. we saw Mac do pretty well with Josh re tooling the teams scheme for a rookie we also saw Mac struggle with MattP unable to retool as the opposing defenses dictated we also saw Zippy able to only run a limited offense under BOB the prior offense the Pats ran is notoriously hard and not QB friendly will the new offense be the same?
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Post by rkarp on Apr 25, 2024 8:29:04 GMT -5
Well said. I agree. This is where I’m happy that they have Van Pelt on the staff. I trust his opinions and evaluation on these guys. I don’t dislike Daniels, he’s just a different system fit for what I perceive they want to do. I hope they get it right. what system do you see this staff running?
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Post by wazzu on Apr 25, 2024 8:31:47 GMT -5
For what it’s worth, I would draft Maye #1 overall if I were the Bears over Williams.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 25, 2024 8:42:31 GMT -5
For what it’s worth, I would draft Maye #1 overall if I were the Bears over Williams. I am not a fan of Caleb either. I like my QBs 6’2 and up. He has the weapons around him so it’s gonna be interesting to see how he performs early.
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Post by PatsFan4Life on Apr 25, 2024 8:42:54 GMT -5
For me I am hoping they pick JJ at #3 or trade back a little and get him... JJ has the ability and attitude it takes to succeed. I know his family and they are grounded and good people as it seems he is too. We need a leader and person who will work hard, grow and has the ability to have a high ceiling. So for me I would make him a Patriot. Let's not forget that he has connections to Brady already and also other QB guru's that have already been working with him. He works hard and has a solid team around him. If its not the patriots whoever picks him will get a winner.
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Post by kjfitone on Apr 25, 2024 8:44:58 GMT -5
Don’t get cute and trade back when you need a franchise QB. If the Redskins are kind enough to leave Drake Maye on the board for NE, draft him. Don’t mess around. Otherwise, draft McCarthy. This.. just draft the qb at 3 and go from there.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 25, 2024 8:47:43 GMT -5
Could washington draft maye? Idk. Would the pats take Daniels or maybe trade down a couple of spots and take JJ. Idk.
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Post by Wozzy on Apr 25, 2024 8:48:57 GMT -5
Don’t get cute and trade back when you need a franchise QB. If the Redskins are kind enough to leave Drake Maye on the board for NE, draft him. Don’t mess around. Otherwise, draft McCarthy. I’ve come around to this line up thinking, unless you work out a trade with the Cards or Chargers the next two picks take your QB at 3, even if it means “reaching” for McCarthy if Maye is gone.
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Post by garytx on Apr 25, 2024 8:48:58 GMT -5
Of leadership, athleticism and running a pro style offense I have no questions. Very impressed with how fast he can run. I think his arm good, play making ability I question and efficiency is clouded by the team that surrounded him. Of course efficiency with any QB coming to Foxboro will be a problem with that OL the Pats have as most of these guys did come from successful programs. They would be coming to a team that has a questionable OL and WR corp. This QB thing has me going nuts. the big unknown is will the Pats ask a young QB to play a specific scheme on offense, or will the staff tool the offensive scheme to the QB's strengths. we saw Mac do pretty well with Josh re tooling the teams scheme for a rookie we also saw Mac struggle with MattP unable to retool as the opposing defenses dictated we also saw Zippy able to only run a limited offense under BOB the prior offense the Pats ran is notoriously hard and not QB friendly will the new offense be the same? McCarthy could go pro style. All he has to do is learn the terminology. He will be behind Brissett for a while so he has time. I think there will be some dummying down or a cautious approach with a rookie on the field when the time comes regardless. It's what they did with TB. He had a year and some to adjust and work. They were pretty careful with him and let him grow. I would like to think this will be the approach the team will have with who ever they select for QB. The scheme change if any isn't a problem because the QBs are all new.
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Post by johngrant on Apr 25, 2024 8:54:06 GMT -5
Ideal scenario for me would trade back with NYG and draft Penix. Not sold on any of these guys becoming great but they absolutely need a QB and getting another high pick would be the best case situation.
However I believe Maye will be the pick at 3 and he will bust 😂
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Post by wazzu on Apr 25, 2024 8:54:46 GMT -5
Don’t get cute and trade back when you need a franchise QB. If the Redskins are kind enough to leave Drake Maye on the board for NE, draft him. Don’t mess around. Otherwise, draft McCarthy. This.. just draft the qb at 3 and go from there. Agree. If NE wants to gain an additional pick or two, #34 should still have some value if they decide to love back from that spot.
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Post by TFB12 on Apr 25, 2024 8:57:31 GMT -5
Hold at 3 and don’t take any chances on missing out on the guy they want at QB.
My official preference… (Williams gone at 1) 1. Daniels 2. Maye 3. JJ
If they get an offer they can’t refuse to trade back, I would be totally fine with Penix.
My prediction is Patriots take Maye at 3.
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