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Post by fisher on Mar 15, 2017 13:46:29 GMT -5
Butler will be gone to NO and Pats signed Burkhead with starters salary or at very least compete for it Butler is in a corner. If NO wants him, they will need to surrender the #11 pick or the #32 with two others, and that is unlikely and is probably why Butler hasn't been traded yet. Burkhead is not the power runner that Blount is. Signing him is nice, but a power back is an important cog in the offense. I would not rule out Blount returning. Butler had to sign his tag before anything could done. He had turned down (supposedly for 6-7 mill a yr) a contract offer after only 1 1/2 years of playing and earned salary plus 300+ thousand in bonuses this year.. Not to shabby for an un drafted rookie.... Going you have to what he wants to get while suffering through losing.. Blount is over 30 and has carried the ball tons... Just thinking he is easily replaceable..
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Post by lioneljoe on Mar 15, 2017 13:49:05 GMT -5
Butler will be gone to NO and Pats signed Burkhead with starters salary or at very least compete for it Butler is in a corner. If NO wants him, they will need to surrender the #11 pick or the #32 with two others, and that is unlikely and is probably why Butler hasn't been traded yet. Burkhead is not the power runner that Blount is. Signing him is nice, but a power back is an important cog in the offense. I would not rule out Blount returning. For many players, money is important but where they play is important too. Keep that in mind when considering how JG looks at his future.
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Post by ATJ on Mar 15, 2017 13:49:43 GMT -5
Another day, another signing. I guess when a team starts out with $60 million that they have to either spend or lose, fireworks are about to happen. How much do they still have in the piggy? First lesson: When your team has far better perks (a wicked cool coaching staff, nice rings for the fingers, first class practice facilities) then your team doesn't want to use the transition tag, promising the player that you'll match whatever dollar offer some butt-fumble team offers. Hightower chose his slightly cheaper offer from the Patriots. If, on the other hand, you happen to be the butt-fumble team, you might want to use the transition tag. Second lesson: Mark down any team that sends your mother a couple of Jets jerseys. Gross! "I resign as HC of NYJ" -- Bill Belichick I think I'll go find a bakery and buy and eat a cupcake now.
I just did. Washed it down with a Sam Adams. Since I'm in Chesapeake, VA I did get some strange looks. I pointed out that it's an acquired taste and common among Patriots fans at this point in time.
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Post by im4anothersb on Mar 15, 2017 14:00:34 GMT -5
rkarp, don't know how you take this. Please set the record straight. RAM, if he comes up with a statement here can you just put this away already? Do you really think deflategate was anything but a vengance framejob? If you think the Patriots were bad actors, is it just a hunch or do you have evidence? who is Ram? brilliant
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Post by bostonts on Mar 15, 2017 14:05:41 GMT -5
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Post by nemo on Mar 15, 2017 14:08:52 GMT -5
Seriously... what did you expect?
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Post by nflpatsfan on Mar 15, 2017 14:12:58 GMT -5
19-0, I guess this is just another of many date in Jet History which will live in infamy, they're now the "CUPCAKES" for eternity. Every day is Pearl Harbor for the Jets 19-0 would be nice. Those infernal '72 Dolphins can go take a long rest. But, I'd settle for #6. BB would have rename his boat, of course.
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Post by nflpatsfan on Mar 15, 2017 14:14:04 GMT -5
Butler will be gone to NO and Pats signed Burkhead with starters salary or at very least compete for it Butler is in a corner. If NO wants him, they will need to surrender the #11 pick or the #32 with two others, and that is unlikely and is probably why Butler hasn't been traded yet. Burkhead is not the power runner that Blount is. Signing him is nice, but a power back is an important cog in the offense. I would not rule out Blount returning. Draft Samaje Perine!
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Post by Shelly on Mar 15, 2017 14:50:14 GMT -5
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Post by olemiss on Mar 15, 2017 14:56:19 GMT -5
Let's now get Babe riled up again about that, S!!! Haha!!!
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Post by neinmd on Mar 15, 2017 14:59:01 GMT -5
I just did. Washed it down with a Sam Adams. Since I'm in Chesapeake, VA I did get some strange looks. I pointed out that it's an acquired taste and common among Patriots fans at this point in time. Yuck! Spoiled a decent beer.
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Post by ATJ on Mar 15, 2017 14:59:56 GMT -5
I just did. Washed it down with a Sam Adams. Since I'm in Chesapeake, VA I did get some strange looks. I pointed out that it's an acquired taste and common among Patriots fans at this point in time. Yuck! Spoiled a decent beer. Yes, but the gloat was most satisfying.
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Post by pumpsiegreen on Mar 15, 2017 15:06:29 GMT -5
Butler is in a corner. If NO wants him, they will need to surrender the #11 pick or the #32 with two others, and that is unlikely and is probably why Butler hasn't been traded yet. Burkhead is not the power runner that Blount is. Signing him is nice, but a power back is an important cog in the offense. I would not rule out Blount returning. For many players, money is important but where they play is important too. Keep that in mind when considering how JG looks at his future. Yes, where they play is important too-if the money is the same. Generally, and rightfully so, professional athletes go where the money is best. Its rare that where they play is an important factor. Look where Revis ended up: on THE JESTS. Seriously, I cannot think of a worse place to play if you want to compete for a ring. Occasionally, home town discounts happen, but its very rare. JG is going to go for the big payday, and I don't blame him.
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Post by texaspat on Mar 15, 2017 15:08:08 GMT -5
GREAT NEWS! Was checking this site on and off all day waiting on this news! I guess the Jets should have fed Hightower bagels instead of cupcakes! LOL!!!
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Post by sentinel on Mar 15, 2017 15:15:33 GMT -5
19-0, I guess this is just another of many date in Jet History which will live in infamy, they're now the "CUPCAKES" for eternity. Every day is Pearl Harbor for the Jets According to the reports, HT rejected Jets offer two days ago. Cupcakes did not cut it.
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Post by pumpsiegreen on Mar 15, 2017 15:16:50 GMT -5
19-0, I guess this is just another of many date in Jet History which will live in infamy, they're now the "CUPCAKES" for eternity. Every day is Pearl Harbor for the Jets According to the reports, HT rejected Jets offer two days ago. Cupcakes did not cut it. No frosting. That was the deciding factor.
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Post by mthurl on Mar 15, 2017 16:40:10 GMT -5
Well that's good news, seems like a somewhat reasonable contract. Now we need some edge rushers and someone to replace the soon to be departed Butler.
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Post by carawaydj on Mar 15, 2017 16:44:54 GMT -5
Well that's good news, seems like a somewhat reasonable contract. Now we need some edge rushers and someone to replace the soon to be departed Butler. Very reasonable and very fair. My guess is that it includes a lot of playing time incentives. While some tried to downplay his injury history, I think his contract, and especially the guaranteed amount, reflect that the team was not downplaying it...nor other teams.
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Post by mthurl on Mar 15, 2017 17:43:49 GMT -5
Well that's good news, seems like a somewhat reasonable contract. Now we need some edge rushers and someone to replace the soon to be departed Butler. Very reasonable and very fair. My guess is that it includes a lot of playing time incentives. While some tried to downplay his injury history, I think his contract, and especially the guaranteed amount, reflect that the team was not downplaying it...nor other teams. Yeah his injuries are the only thing that I was worried about in terms of giving him that big contract, but four years doesn't sound crazy...he "only" gets 20 million guaranteed and like you said there's probably incentives, etc, built in. Meanwhile Jaime Collins is getting more and Chandler Jones is getting himself 55 million guaranteed. Crazy how things work. The pass rushers get all the money. So a guy like Jones who probably doesn't impact a game like Hightower is going to make a lot more.
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Post by carawaydj on Mar 15, 2017 17:56:29 GMT -5
Very reasonable and very fair. My guess is that it includes a lot of playing time incentives. While some tried to downplay his injury history, I think his contract, and especially the guaranteed amount, reflect that the team was not downplaying it...nor other teams. Yeah his injuries are the only thing that I was worried about in terms of giving him that big contract, but four years doesn't sound crazy...he "only" gets 20 million guaranteed and like you said there's probably incentives, etc, built in. Meanwhile Jaime Collins is getting more and Chandler Jones is getting himself 55 million guaranteed. Crazy how things work. The pass rushers get all the money. So a guy like Jones who probably doesn't impact a game like Hightower is going to make a lot more. Collins and Jones are the defensive version of shiny hood ornaments. Hightower is the defensive version of Edelman. He isn't flashy but he sure knows how to help you win games.
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Post by zenape on Mar 15, 2017 19:56:55 GMT -5
I think I'll celebrate by buying a Hightower jersey. I'm a big fan of his game, I'm a big fan of his commanding presence out there, and I'm a big fan that he's setting himself up to be a Patriot for life. Yup, I think I'll do just that.
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Post by Ram on Mar 15, 2017 20:04:02 GMT -5
Of course you want to spread the credit around and remind us that it isn't all Belichick. You have called the man an "asshole" on several occasions, subtly demean and discredit him whenever you think you can slip it past us (as you pretend to be a real Pats fan) oh, and YOU THINK THE PATRIOTS CHEATED IN FRAMEGATE AND THAT BELICHICK LIED, COVERED IT UP AND PAID PEOPLE OFF. Go away rkarp, you're a joke and a closet Jets fan or at least not a true Pats fan. Everyone here knows an entire staff is to credit for moves like this. You think this team illegally deflated footballs in a scheme that went all the way to the top when science and men swearing under oath proved nothing happened. You are garbage. rkarp, don't know how you take this. Please set the record straight. RAM, if he comes up with a statement here can you just put this away already? Do you really think deflategate was anything but a vengance framejob? If you think the Patriots were bad actors, is it just a hunch or do you have evidence? rkarp is on the record as saying he thinks the Patriots cheated, covered it up and that Belichick the "asshole" lied about it and paid guys off. Why guys here actually listen to/respect/respond to the comments of a man who is playing this board for a fool is beyond me.
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Post by prairiemike on Mar 16, 2017 9:48:15 GMT -5
Another day, another signing. I guess when a team starts out with $60 million that they have to either spend or lose, fireworks are about to happen. How much do they still have in the piggy? This is a misconception that I'm seeing repeatedly. If a team doesn't spend to the floor, they don't "lose" the money, per se. They cede the right to allocate it -- to their players -- to the players union. Not ideal ... but not really a big deal, either. Theoretically, a team that didn't spend to 95% of the cap floor over a four-year period would then have to pay the difference to the union with no guarantee that it would be returned to that team's players ... but a team would have to be mismanaged to a fare-thee-well to allow that to happen.
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Post by Wozzy on Mar 16, 2017 9:55:34 GMT -5
Well that's good news, seems like a somewhat reasonable contract. Now we need some edge rushers and someone to replace the soon to be departed Butler. Very reasonable and very fair. My guess is that it includes a lot of playing time incentives. While some tried to downplay his injury history, I think his contract, and especially the guaranteed amount, reflect that the team was not downplaying it...nor other teams. Agreed, would also add that Hightower has predominately played the "Mike" middle linebacker position and teams who don't employ that position might have been reticent to pay a guy to play defensive end who has never exclusively played there. The market for him just may not have been there.
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Post by mrmojo112058 on Mar 16, 2017 16:18:51 GMT -5
From PFT:
Despite the persistent belief that linebacker Dont’a Hightower wouldn’t be leaving the Patriots, the Patriots didn’t make a move to keep Hightower until only one day before he agreed to terms.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the first New England offer came on March 14 — seven days after the negotiating period opened with other teams and five days after free agency officially started. The offer came as Hightower began his visit to the Steelers, who (as reported elsewhere) gave Hightower a firm deadline for accepting their offer. Hightower opted to nevertheless wait and to keep talking to New England.
On March 15, the Patriots eventually sweetened the offer after a back-and-forth. The Patriots (like the Jets — more on that in a separate item) had concerns about Hightower’s durability and availability. For his career, Hightower has participated in only 65 percent of all plays. It’s believed that those concerns caused the Patriots to take a very conservative approach to the negotiations.
The base deal, with an average just under $9 million per year (it’s definitely not a four-year, $43.5 million deal as reported elsewhere), puts Hightower behind Luke Kuechly, Bobby Wagner, and Novarro Bowman, who have nine Pro Bowl berths between them. The contract nevertheless pays out $17 million fully guaranteed at signing; the other $2 million guarantee is for injury only, and it vests as a full guarantee later in the deal.
With incentives for playing time and Pro Bowl, Hightower can make another $2 million per year. The maximum package has a value of $10.88 million per year.
Given the durabiltiy issues and the realities of the offer from the Jets (again, more on that later), Hightower regarded the ability to make good money and to stay put with a perennial contender as his best option, by far.
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