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Post by wazzu on Oct 3, 2017 13:15:25 GMT -5
Possibly as early as next week, I think NE may make a move or 2 to shake things up/help the D. First off, I think they cut Harris. He’s clearly not working out and he can’t even get onto the field, plus he doesn’t play ST.
The First trade that I’m predicting is that they will acquire LB/DE Aaron Lynch from SF. Lynch is a long, talented edge guy who seems to have fallen out of favor in SF. I believe he is in the last year of his rookie deal, so his trade value isn’t high. I’ll assume something like NE trades a 6th to SF for Lynch and a 7th, or something similar.
Second, I still think Lewis will be traded. His lack of usage is pretty glaring. NE loves White and they are high on Burkhead. Lewis hasn’t looked quite the same. Again, I don’t think Lewis has a ton of trade value, so I’m predicting they deal him to Philly for DT Destiny Vaeao. Vaeao is an undersized DT with a quick first step. A guy with his skill set could help quite a bit in passing situations.
Now, trading Lewis could potentially leave us a little bit thin at RB, so I would also expect a PS RB to be added if this were to happen.
One guy who isn’t going anywhere, at least not until after the season, is Malcom Butler.
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Post by garytx on Oct 3, 2017 13:32:14 GMT -5
On Harris. He may stick around. Too many new parts to this defense. Putting another new piece in there adds to the mayhem we're seeing.
BB probably should dummy down on this defense. The players are obviously not getting it. The mistake might have been not playing the defense during the preseason. All in all, I don't think that BB knows what he has yet. Bringing in new guys just adds to the problem. It doesn't fix anything but add to the confusion that's taking place now.
Look for Lewis to get more playing time.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 3, 2017 13:34:33 GMT -5
I see Harris as the 4th man at LB for a team that is predominantly playing 2 LB's. There will be injury, and there will be times when the team does play 3 LB's. Harris time will come, and I think he will be ready.
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Post by olemiss on Oct 3, 2017 13:38:23 GMT -5
U are all wet here, Wazz, imo we will hold fast. I would like us to sign Dwight Freeny, however.
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Post by patseng on Oct 3, 2017 14:27:34 GMT -5
I agree Harris just shouldn't be on the team right now, he's an ancher holding a spot. I'm not sure about your trade targets but I do think they try to find someone who can fill a coverage LB or LB/SS hybrid role. They tried to use Richards in that matter but forgot he's not really a 2nd round talent and that experiment ended quickly. Finding that LB/SS player would strengthen 2 positions of weakness right now, I just don't know who that would be and who's available
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Post by patslifer on Oct 3, 2017 15:43:41 GMT -5
I see Harris as the 4th man at LB for a team that is predominantly playing 2 LB's. There will be injury, and there will be times when the team does play 3 LB's. Harris time will come, and I think he will be ready. Harris is the 4th LB who can only play the run sitting behind 2-3'others that can only play the run. He's cooked. Terrible signing. |
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Post by patslifer on Oct 3, 2017 15:47:20 GMT -5
On Harris. He may stick around. Too many new parts to this defense. Putting another new piece in there adds to the mayhem we're seeing. BB probably should dummy down on this defense. The players are obviously not getting it. The mistake might have been not playing the defense during the preseason. All in all, I don't think that BB knows what he has yet. Bringing in new guys just adds to the problem. It doesn't fix anything but add to the confusion that's taking place now. Look for Lewis to get more playing time. Gary... the defense is dummied down already according to Harmon and McCourty, so not sure what else they can do to make any more simple. The parts we need are not in supply. A coverage LB and or a SS that can cover and play big in th box. We could also use help at DE but not sure who we could get at this point maybe other than freeny that is any good. |
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Post by patslifer on Oct 3, 2017 15:49:38 GMT -5
Possibly as early as next week, I think NE may make a move or 2 to shake things up/help the D. First off, I think they cut Harris. He’s clearly not working out and he can’t even get onto the field, plus he doesn’t play ST. The First trade that I’m predicting is that they will acquire LB/DE Aaron Lynch from SF. Lynch is a long, talented edge guy who seems to have fallen out of favor in SF. I believe he is in the last year of his rookie deal, so his trade value isn’t high. I’ll assume something like NE trades a 6th to SF for Lynch and a 7th, or something similar. Second, I still think Lewis will be traded. His lack of usage is pretty glaring. NE loves White and they are high on Burkhead. Lewis hasn’t looked quite the same. Again, I don’t think Lewis has a ton of trade value, so I’m predicting they deal him to Philly for DT Destiny Vaeao. Vaeao is an undersized DT with a quick first step. A guy with his skill set could help quite a bit in passing situations. Now, trading Lewis could potentially leave us a little bit thin at RB, so I would also expect a PS RB to be added if this were to happen. One guy who isn’t going anywhere, at least not until after the season, is Malcom Butler. Interesting and I think you have been on those 2 guys for a while. Is Lynch really falling out of favor? Why? |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 3, 2017 17:26:27 GMT -5
What do we have to trade? Jimmy G not going nowhere. Who's expendable?
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Post by mthurl on Oct 3, 2017 17:29:39 GMT -5
What do we have to trade? Jimmy G not going nowhere. Who's expendable? Draft picks and running backs, that's about it I guess, but it's certainly more than enough to make a trade. I would be shocked if there's not a trade after the Tampa game...a lot of time to do it at that point. |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 3, 2017 17:32:00 GMT -5
What do we have to trade? Jimmy G not going nowhere. Who's expendable? Draft picks and running backs, that's about it I guess, but it's certainly more than enough to make a trade. I would be shocked if there's not a trade after the Tampa game...a lot of time to do it at that point. Lets sell the future to fix the present. No. BB needs to start coaching up Patricia, who needs to start coaching up the defense. |
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Post by mthurl on Oct 3, 2017 17:35:39 GMT -5
Draft picks and running backs, that's about it I guess, but it's certainly more than enough to make a trade. I would be shocked if there's not a trade after the Tampa game...a lot of time to do it at that point. Lets sell the future to fix the present. No. BB needs to start coaching up Patricia, who needs to start coaching up the defense. Well trading a guy like Dion Lewis - who is in the last year of his deal - is not trading away the future, he won't be back anyway. And trading away a mid round pick if it might help the defense doesn't seem drastic to me, they've done it before and it's helped win Super Bowls...Ayers comes to mind...they got Talib for a 4th, and Hicks was one of our better defensive linemen for a mid round pick. I bet they'd kill to have any one of those types of impacts right now. Even trading for Marsh and Flowers this year before the season started has helped. Both those guys look like bright spots on D. |
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 3, 2017 17:37:28 GMT -5
Lets sell the future to fix the present. No. BB needs to start coaching up Patricia, who needs to start coaching up the defense. Well trading a guy like Dion Lewis - who is in the last year of his deal - is not trading away the future, he won't be back anyway. And trading away a mid round pick if it might help the defense doesn't seem drastic to me, they've done it before and it's helped win Super Bowls...Ayers comes to mind...they got Talib for a 4th, and Hicks was one of our better defensive linemen for a mid round pick. I bet they'd kill to have any one of those types of impacts right now. Even trading for Marsh and Flowers this year before the season started has helped. Both those guys look like bright spots on D. Hate to lose Lewis though. he's a solid weapon on offense. We just need to fix the defense and forget trades |
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Post by mthurl on Oct 3, 2017 17:44:50 GMT -5
Well trading a guy like Dion Lewis - who is in the last year of his deal - is not trading away the future, he won't be back anyway. And trading away a mid round pick if it might help the defense doesn't seem drastic to me, they've done it before and it's helped win Super Bowls...Ayers comes to mind...they got Talib for a 4th, and Hicks was one of our better defensive linemen for a mid round pick. I bet they'd kill to have any one of those types of impacts right now. Even trading for Marsh and Flowers this year before the season started has helped. Both those guys look like bright spots on D. Hate to lose Lewis though. he's a solid weapon on offense. We just need to fix the defense and forget trades I've kind of soured on Lewis a little bit, I don't think he adds much in the passing game and I'm not impressed with him as a runner anymore. And I don't trust his ball security or durability. But I do think we'd obviously lose good depth, and I'm not saying he's terrible or anything, I just don't think he's the same guy he was two years ago. But you could be right, others love him on this site. |
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Post by garytx on Oct 4, 2017 2:12:14 GMT -5
On Harris. He may stick around. Too many new parts to this defense. Putting another new piece in there adds to the mayhem we're seeing. BB probably should dummy down on this defense. The players are obviously not getting it. The mistake might have been not playing the defense during the preseason. All in all, I don't think that BB knows what he has yet. Bringing in new guys just adds to the problem. It doesn't fix anything but add to the confusion that's taking place now. Look for Lewis to get more playing time. Gary... the defense is dummied down already according to Harmon and McCourty, so not sure what else they can do to make any more simple. The parts we need are not in supply. A coverage LB and or a SS that can cover and play big in th box. We could also use help at DE but not sure who we could get at this point maybe other than freeny that is any good. Didn't know about it being dummied down already. my main point was why bring in new people when the people we have are having a hard time. New folks would just make the present situation worse. |
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Post by patslifer on Oct 4, 2017 6:09:40 GMT -5
Gary... the defense is dummied down already according to Harmon and McCourty, so not sure what else they can do to make any more simple. The parts we need are not in supply. A coverage LB and or a SS that can cover and play big in th box. We could also use help at DE but not sure who we could get at this point maybe other than freeny that is any good. Didn't know about it being dummied down already. my main point was why bring in new people when the people we have are having a hard time. New folks would just make the present situation worse. I'm only going off of interviews with Harmon and McCourty, where they both said the defense was already simplified. Your point makes sense. We are having a hard enough time trying to get these guys to work together and communicate as a team, but, I also think there are a few talent gaps that could be addressed while the existing guys work together. The talent gaps are requiring BB and Matty P to play guys in other positions (McCourty at SS, Hightower at DE) where we have deficiencies, causing a deficiency in the spot they vacated. McCourty is a perfect example...He is by far our best FS and centerfielder. Moving McCourty down in the box to play closer to the line because Chung & Richards are having a hard time causes a gap at the FS spot where we are using Harmon...who is not as good as McCourty. I think that is my point...yes we are having a hard time now getting these guys on the same page, but we could use 1-2 players to help move guys back into their natural positions and strengthen the entire defense. |
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Post by rkarp on Oct 4, 2017 6:43:16 GMT -5
Hate to lose Lewis though. he's a solid weapon on offense. We just need to fix the defense and forget trades I've kind of soured on Lewis a little bit, I don't think he adds much in the passing game and I'm not impressed with him as a runner anymore. And I don't trust his ball security or durability. But I do think we'd obviously lose good depth, and I'm not saying he's terrible or anything, I just don't think he's the same guy he was two years ago. But you could be right, others love him on this site. I think I do not "love" any of the RB's on the roster. sure, White has improved to the point that he needs to be on the roster. but the others? need? I do believe that on the LEwis TD run around the LT, no other back on the team gets to the corner other than Lewis |
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Post by jri37 on Oct 4, 2017 8:09:40 GMT -5
I've kind of soured on Lewis a little bit, I don't think he adds much in the passing game and I'm not impressed with him as a runner anymore. And I don't trust his ball security or durability. But I do think we'd obviously lose good depth, and I'm not saying he's terrible or anything, I just don't think he's the same guy he was two years ago. But you could be right, others love him on this site. I think I do not "love" any of the RB's on the roster. sure, White has improved to the point that he needs to be on the roster. but the others? need? I do believe that on the LEwis TD run around the LT, no other back on the team gets to the corner other than Lewis You talk about White like he some JAG that has improved just enough to stay on the roster. Last year and into this year his production puts him in a group of Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson and Chris Thompson as one of the best 3rd down backs in the game. |
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Post by rkarp on Oct 4, 2017 8:19:24 GMT -5
I think I do not "love" any of the RB's on the roster. sure, White has improved to the point that he needs to be on the roster. but the others? need? I do believe that on the LEwis TD run around the LT, no other back on the team gets to the corner other than Lewis You talk about White like he some JAG that has improved just enough to stay on the roster. Last year and into this year his production puts him in a group of Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson and Chris Thompson as one of the best 3rd down backs in the game. he is great as a pass catching back. as a runner, he is a JAG imo |
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Post by patslifer on Oct 4, 2017 9:33:14 GMT -5
I've kind of soured on Lewis a little bit, I don't think he adds much in the passing game and I'm not impressed with him as a runner anymore. And I don't trust his ball security or durability. But I do think we'd obviously lose good depth, and I'm not saying he's terrible or anything, I just don't think he's the same guy he was two years ago. But you could be right, others love him on this site. I think I do not "love" any of the RB's on the roster. sure, White has improved to the point that he needs to be on the roster. but the others? need? I do believe that on the LEwis TD run around the LT, no other back on the team gets to the corner other than Lewis Jesus you have a short memory. Remember the SB win last year? What did White go off for? 14 receptions, 110 yards, 6 rushes, 29 yards, 2 TDs. WTF? The kid produces. How about last game on our last 2 series when Joshy starting using White more in the short passing game?...we tied it up. White isn't a pure runner, but he has got better at rushing every year since he has been here. He is averaging 4.1 yards per carry this year on 18 carries. I consider that good. Meanwhile, Lewis is averaging 3.8 yards per carry on 12 rushes. If Lewis was so much better than White, why isn't he on the field more?......White is a premium pass catching back, and a good enough runner.. and you don't produce at that rate by being a JAG. "White has improved enough to be on the roster?" are you kidding me? Jesus the kid is a stud. |
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Post by agcsbill on Oct 5, 2017 6:54:48 GMT -5
The 10 day break after the Tampa game may be the telling time for any significant team moves.
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Post by patslifer on Oct 5, 2017 7:46:12 GMT -5
The 10 day break after the Tampa game may be the telling time for any significant team moves. +1 This is when moves typically happen providing the team enough time to start incorporating in any new players. So do you think a trade happens? |
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Post by portfolio1 on Oct 5, 2017 7:55:14 GMT -5
We could use help at every level of the D. Ironically I think the unit least needing a talent upgrade is the worst performing - the secondary. Getting communications and responsibilities straight will go a long long way to fixing that unit. But I am not happy that we have 2 big men not 3 at DT and that we have 2 not 3 very good edge players.... at least so far. And that after Hightower the drop off at LB is no small thing.
And yet... I STILL THINK THIS D WILL COME TOGETHER AND BE SOUND OR EVEN SOLID.
(Babe: eyes roll)
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Oct 5, 2017 9:02:07 GMT -5
We could use help at every level of the D. Ironically I think the unit least needing a talent upgrade is the worst performing - the secondary. Getting communications and responsibilities straight will go a long long way to fixing that unit. But I am not happy that we have 2 big men not 3 at DT and that we have 2 not 3 very good edge players.... at least so far. And that after Hightower the drop off at LB is no small thing. And yet... I STILL THINK THIS D WILL COME TOGETHER AND BE SOUND OR EVEN SOLID. (Babe: eyes roll) That is how I see it too. They have problems on the OL too. |
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Post by portfolio1 on Oct 5, 2017 9:29:35 GMT -5
We could use help at every level of the D. Ironically I think the unit least needing a talent upgrade is the worst performing - the secondary. Getting communications and responsibilities straight will go a long long way to fixing that unit. But I am not happy that we have 2 big men not 3 at DT and that we have 2 not 3 very good edge players.... at least so far. And that after Hightower the drop off at LB is no small thing. And yet... I STILL THINK THIS D WILL COME TOGETHER AND BE SOUND OR EVEN SOLID. (Babe: eyes roll) That is how I see it too. They have problems on the OL too. Yup |
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