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Post by carawaydj on Oct 6, 2017 8:07:36 GMT -5
Not an efficient machine yet, and that's a massive understatement, BUT I can see the improvement in backfield communications on defense. Maybe going zone completely was the answer, and Gilmore seemed OK with it. Even my dog could see that the defense made some nice improvement. I think you mistyped on going zone completely? Gilmore was playing man to man, something he apparently does well as many of us has said.
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Post by tanbass on Oct 6, 2017 8:08:40 GMT -5
Thursday night football is a terrible product, period. Three days rest is a joke, and it shows every Thursday. You have two of the worst defenses in the league and it's a low scoring game? With all the injuries the Bucs had on defense, we should have come away with a lot more points. Those 3 missed FGs saved our butts. The positive was our defense was a different team last night. It was far from perfect, but they played much much better.
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Post by ATJ on Oct 6, 2017 8:09:18 GMT -5
Not an efficient machine yet, and that's a massive understatement, BUT I can see the improvement in backfield communications on defense. Maybe going zone completely was the answer, and Gilmore seemed OK with it.[/quotef] D backfield definite improvement. I could be mistaken but it looked to me as though Gilmore was manned up on more than one play. Could be wrong though.
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Post by wazzu on Oct 6, 2017 8:13:34 GMT -5
I think a lot of people fail to realize just how hard it is to win as a road team in Thursday night games. With the travel, the turn around is so quick that there is very little time to prepare for the opponent. I’m thrilled to get out of Tampa with a W.
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Post by patseng on Oct 6, 2017 8:16:39 GMT -5
Nope, engineer. So you can say he missed 2 out of 3 he has a higher than 80% chance of making then huh.... so if he made those 2 would the score be different? I think you completely missed that point when you overlooked it Want to get all technical on me :^) Here are his career stats: 50+ yards: 24 of 41 59% 40 - 49 yards: 64 of 91 70% Now factor in his misses were on the far end of both ranges (56 and 49). I fully accept his 31 yarder was a screw up. I thought I read it was 80% somewhere, oh well still 70%. So he had a better than 50% chance on all 3 and missed all 3 lol. Not gimmies (obviously) but when you tend to make more than you miss and you miss all 3. Missing the 56 yarder sure, missing the 49 after... ok more of an automatic than a 50/50 shot but missing that 3rd completely changed the game. Point being nether team should have won the way they both played, typical for a Thursday night game really, but on any given Sunday you would say the Pats should beat Tampa and it shouldn't be close. Tampa had a legit shot and blew it from the missed FGs, to not running Martin more (seriously the guy was killing us), to screwing up on that last drive by not setting properly killing 20s off a clock. But, good teams overcome the mistakes they make and bad ones don't. I think we can both agree though that this was not a game the pats deserved to win by their play alone and still came out on top
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Post by Shelly on Oct 6, 2017 8:23:53 GMT -5
I was at the game with my family. Brady wound up with some decent stats, but it was not a Brady type game. That int was terrible. Hogan(?) was wide open and an even half way decent throw is probably a touchdown. Instead he threw it maybe ten yards behind him. Then there a number of other ugly throws and also a couple of decisions to run when he had a wide open receiver over the middle. Ugly.
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Post by coolade on Oct 6, 2017 8:50:14 GMT -5
Week 5 desperation gut check Win. Great effort, great resilience. Ugly? C'mon now... It was beautiful. ! Watched the game at a strip club . First time tried that. Very difficult to be 100% attentive ..lol. Young honey naked on my lap was not ugly either...!
Huge win. Now build on it.
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Post by jri37 on Oct 6, 2017 11:03:42 GMT -5
Not an efficient machine yet, and that's a massive understatement, BUT I can see the improvement in backfield communications on defense. Maybe going zone completely was the answer, and Gilmore seemed OK with it. Even my dog could see that the defense made some nice improvement. I think you mistyped on going zone completely? Gilmore was playing man to man, something he apparently does well as many of us has said. He did a really nice job on Mike Evans. Held him under his average for targets and the balls he did catch were in front of him and he was there to either contest or make the tackle right way. I would say they were in straight man coverage more than 80% of the time.
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Post by thejuice on Oct 6, 2017 12:26:21 GMT -5
I get what you are saying. Grinding out a win early in the season is usually good for this team. But I think last night was different. Yes, both sides of the ball did some good things. But I didn't see it as the Pats necessarily beating Tampa by grinding it out, but rather Tampa killing itself and we were the beneficiaries. The biggest example of that are the 3 missed FG's. I get a win is a win and I'll take it..but the feeling after watching that game was this team is still finding it's way, and that way is going to be full of big bumps. The only part I didn't like is the uncharacteristic amount of penalties. BB teams are typically much more disciplined. And the OL is starting to really worry me. Disagree. If not for a ton of bad penalties wed have crushed them last night.
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Post by muzwell on Oct 6, 2017 13:09:12 GMT -5
I would characterize that win as pork chop ugly. I damn near swallowed my tongue over those back to back roughing the passer penalties. To each his own, but I think pork chops are beautiful.
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Post by ATJ on Oct 6, 2017 15:11:09 GMT -5
I would characterize that win as pork chop ugly. I damn near swallowed my tongue over those back to back roughing the passer penalties. To each his own, but I think pork chops are beautiful. [brs] Surely you're familiar with that reference, Muzz.
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Post by ATJ on Oct 6, 2017 15:12:03 GMT -5
I would characterize that win as pork chop ugly. I damn near swallowed my tongue over those back to back roughing the passer penalties. To each his own, but I think pork chops are beautiful. [brs] Surely you're familiar with that reference, Muzz.
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Post by neinmd on Oct 6, 2017 16:40:38 GMT -5
Not an efficient machine yet, and that's a massive understatement, BUT I can see the improvement in backfield communications on defense. Maybe going zone completely was the answer, and Gilmore seemed OK with it. Even my dog could see that the defense made some nice improvement. I think you mistyped on going zone completely? Gilmore was playing man to man, something he apparently does well as many of us has said. I didn't mistype it. I got it wrong. I thought I saw mostly zone, but I understand they mixed it up pretty much all game. Thanks for catching it in the very polite way you did.
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Post by muzwell on Oct 6, 2017 18:48:43 GMT -5
To each his own, but I think pork chops are beautiful. [brs] Surely you're familiar with that reference, Muzz. Yes, just messing with you...i do love a good pork chop though...and please don't call me Shirley.
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Post by pezz4pats on Oct 6, 2017 19:16:25 GMT -5
I was at the game with my family. Brady wound up with some decent stats, but it was not a Brady type game. That int was terrible. Hogan(?) was wide open and an even half way decent throw is probably a touchdown. Instead he threw it maybe ten yards behind him. Then there a number of other ugly throws and also a couple of decisions to run when he had a wide open receiver over the middle. Ugly. So with your bird's eye view with notebook in hand, jotting down everything that went wrong in TBs 30/40 performance, did you happen to take notice of the excessive penalties, excessive, hits, excessive sacks and dropped passes, that prevented putting up his normal 33 points? Just curious. Would love to hear your expert (since you were there) position on those.
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Post by ATJ on Oct 6, 2017 21:33:39 GMT -5
[brs] Surely you're familiar with that reference, Muzz. Yes, just messing with you...i do love a good pork chop though...and please don't call me Shirley. As do I, sir, and I'll avoid any future inappropriate familiarity.
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Post by lowfbiq on Oct 7, 2017 14:05:42 GMT -5
Every successful season, potential run to a superbowl requires some good fortune along the way, in various forms.
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Post by coolade on Oct 7, 2017 14:17:48 GMT -5
Replay of game on now... NFL network
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Post by coolade on Oct 8, 2017 4:31:23 GMT -5
Week 5 desperation gut check Win. Great effort, great resilience. Ugly? C'mon now... It was beautiful. ! Watched the game at a strip club . First time tried that. Very difficult to be 100% attentive ..lol. YOUNG HONEY NAKED ON MY LAP WAS NOT UGLY either...! Huge win. Now build on it. 23 years old, 5'1" tiny with high heels, bi lingual Spanish . Adorable. Hey guys head over to lamplighter's on Thursday and check her out. And don't ever say I don't contribute to this board.. Lol.
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Post by mthurl on Oct 8, 2017 7:27:36 GMT -5
A win is a win, I'll take it but there's something wrong going on with this team right now. The penalties are something I wouldn't expect out of a experienced BB coached team. Both lines are getting manhandled. If it weren't for three field goal misses we lose this game.
I like ugly wins when all of our other games look great, then you say...ok we won an ugly one. Instead with this one I think...we played like we usually play, except this time the other team was even more ugly than us.
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Post by coolade on Oct 8, 2017 8:47:03 GMT -5
A win is a win, I'll take it but there's something wrong going on with this team right now. The penalties are something I wouldn't expect out of a experienced BB coached team. Both lines are getting manhandled. If it weren't for three field goal misses we lose this game. I like ugly wins when all of our other games look great, then you say...ok we won an ugly one. Instead with this one I think...we played like we usually play, except this time the other team was even more ugly than us. The penalties are a conspiracy, right..? The league doesn't want a repeat from goodell hater nation. 12 more penalties this week. Bad trend but hopefully it evens out. That was a grinding win like the old days. It's not perfect and never will be. Both teams will make plays. Team just battles, including coaches. Get the win, good job.! Now build on it. Crush the jets
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 8, 2017 17:45:22 GMT -5
That win was worse than ugly. Our defense shows up, but the offense leaves points on the field by sputtering on about 4 drives. Doesn't help TB had a couple turnovers that cost us points. We should have won this game by 3 TDs
and the Wonder coach BB passes up a field goal for a punt?
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Post by Shelly on Oct 9, 2017 7:46:49 GMT -5
That win was worse than ugly. Our defense shows up, but the offense leaves points on the field by sputtering on about 4 drives. Doesn't help TB had a couple turnovers that cost us points. We should have won this game by 3 TDs and the Wonder coach BB passes up a field goal for a punt? Are you talking about the one where Allen put in on their three yard line? If so, that was the right decision. It would have been a very long FG attempt. If he misses that would give them a short field in a close game. Situational football. I was there and fully agreed with BB's decision.
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 9, 2017 10:05:21 GMT -5
That win was worse than ugly. Our defense shows up, but the offense leaves points on the field by sputtering on about 4 drives. Doesn't help TB had a couple turnovers that cost us points. We should have won this game by 3 TDs and the Wonder coach BB passes up a field goal for a punt? Are you talking about the one where Allen put in on their three yard line? If so, that was the right decision. It would have been a very long FG attempt. If he misses that would give them a short field in a close game. Situational football. I was there and fully agreed with BB's decision. The reason given by BB was that they didn't trust the wind. It was gusting unpredictably. I gathered from that they would have attempted a FG if not for that.
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 9, 2017 17:26:37 GMT -5
Are you talking about the one where Allen put in on their three yard line? If so, that was the right decision. It would have been a very long FG attempt. If he misses that would give them a short field in a close game. Situational football. I was there and fully agreed with BB's decision. The reason given by BB was that they didn't trust the wind. It was gusting unpredictably. I gathered from that they would have attempted a FG if not for that. yea, BB always makes those philosophically lame ass answers. Good thing their kicker missed three FGs
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