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Post by wazzu on Oct 5, 2017 23:07:49 GMT -5
This is my favorite way to win early in the season. Road game, Short Week, Very tough spot. In addition to that, the Patriots commit a ridiculous amount of penalties, many of them at very unopportune times. Yet they find a way to win. They made a lot of mistakes and Belichick won’t be happy with their mental errors, so they will have a lot to learn from during the 10 day mini bye. I think they overcame a lot of adversity tonight and I think that this win built a lot of character. Great win in a tough spot!
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Post by mrmojo112058 on Oct 5, 2017 23:08:42 GMT -5
Better an ugly win than a pretty loss.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Oct 6, 2017 0:16:57 GMT -5
This is my favorite way to win early in the season. Road game, Short Week, Very tough spot. In addition to that, the Patriots commit a ridiculous amount of penalties, many of them at very unopportune times. Yet they find a way to win. They made a lot of mistakes and Belichick won’t be happy with their mental errors, so they will have a lot to learn from during the 10 day mini bye. I think they overcame a lot of adversity tonight and I think that this win built a lot of character. Great win in a tough spot! I cannot say it's my favorite, but I like it and I'll take it. My favorite are grinders where both teams just play tough with each other. To some that's ugly. Another type of grinder is when the team struggles but just manages to keep it close against the other team which is playing really well; then the good guys just flip a switch at the end. Almost like the last SB, but that was just extreme crazy version. This one today is more like both teams just played a sucky game. The good guys just avoided enough mistakes so that the other team made more. The team will still learn a lot from the game today, but it's not the type of ugly game they can gain confidence from.
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Post by 7thWonderOfTheWorld on Oct 6, 2017 0:27:26 GMT -5
12 penalties for 108 yards, pass up on a 52 yard FG, OL is going get Brady killed.
Only thing i liked is that the D got us the W and Tampa's FG kicker.
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Post by bredbru on Oct 6, 2017 3:50:05 GMT -5
what i will like is if we follow this up with a win and we stay healthy, while improving the d and the pass protection
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 6, 2017 4:08:30 GMT -5
I saw a lot of things to like. I saw a much improved D. The one caveat is that the Bucs strangely did not try any of the bunch formations that have given our D fits. Obviously they still are not where they need to be but that was a big step in the right direction.
We had some offensive woes but I saw one thing that made me quite happy, an attempt to make our dink and dunk game work. I'm sure losing Gronk on a short week hurt their red zone offense.
THOSE PENALTIES THOUGH…. They literally suck the fun out of a game. The penalties are perhaps the clearest indication that something has been amiss with the coaching too.
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Post by fletcherbrook on Oct 6, 2017 4:18:05 GMT -5
this was a win.
there was a lot of lip stick on the pig.
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Post by ATJ on Oct 6, 2017 5:41:12 GMT -5
I would characterize that win as pork chop ugly. I damn near swallowed my tongue over those back to back roughing the passer penalties.
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Post by patslifer on Oct 6, 2017 5:54:22 GMT -5
I get what you are saying. Grinding out a win early in the season is usually good for this team.
But I think last night was different. Yes, both sides of the ball did some good things. But I didn't see it as the Pats necessarily beating Tampa by grinding it out, but rather Tampa killing itself and we were the beneficiaries.
The biggest example of that are the 3 missed FG's.
I get a win is a win and I'll take it..but the feeling after watching that game was this team is still finding it's way, and that way is going to be full of big bumps. The only part I didn't like is the uncharacteristic amount of penalties. BB teams are typically much more disciplined. And the OL is starting to really worry me.
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Post by getdrunkstupit on Oct 6, 2017 6:08:32 GMT -5
I get what you are saying. Grinding out a win early in the season is usually good for this team. But I think last night was different. Yes, both sides of the ball did some good things. But I didn't see it as the Pats necessarily beating Tampa by grinding it out, but rather Tampa killing itself and we were the beneficiaries. The biggest example of that are the 3 missed FG's. I get a win is a win and I'll take it..but the feeling after watching that game was this team is still finding it's way, and that way is going to be full of big bumps. The only part I didn't like is the uncharacteristic amount of penalties. BB teams are typically much more disciplined. And the OL is starting to really worry me.but when you consider the patriots literally played 1st and 20 the whole game they did all right. any positive was met with a questionable penalty. soldier sucked but that those calls were lame. opi on amendola was lame
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Post by getdrunkstupit on Oct 6, 2017 6:10:13 GMT -5
my phone forces my quote inside the quote so here it is again. but when you consider the patriots literally played 1st and 20 the whole game they did all right. any positive was met with a questionable penalty. soldier sucked but that those calls were lame. opi on amendola was lame
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Post by patslifer on Oct 6, 2017 6:11:41 GMT -5
I get what you are saying. Grinding out a win early in the season is usually good for this team. But I think last night was different. Yes, both sides of the ball did some good things. But I didn't see it as the Pats necessarily beating Tampa by grinding it out, but rather Tampa killing itself and we were the beneficiaries. The biggest example of that are the 3 missed FG's. I get a win is a win and I'll take it..but the feeling after watching that game was this team is still finding it's way, and that way is going to be full of big bumps. The only part I didn't like is the uncharacteristic amount of penalties. BB teams are typically much more disciplined. And the OL is starting to really worry me.but when you consider the patriots literally played 1st and 20 the whole game they did all right. any positive was met with a questionable penalty. soldier sucked but that those calls were lame. opi on amendola was lame I get it. The OL still worries me. And it wasn't just last night but all season. How many sacks, hits, hurries have they surrendered so far? we are 5 games in, and Brady has been sacked more so far this year than all of last year. Something is going on with the OL, and I think it starts at LT to begin. Weak links consistently have been Solder and Andrews.
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Post by TFB12 on Oct 6, 2017 6:26:10 GMT -5
Doesn't get any uglier than that. Nothing to be proud of with that one. 2 weeks and the Falcons carve this team up. Hopefully in 10 days the Oline can get it figured out, the team can get more disciplined and they can get this season figured out. Better be able to blow the Jets out next week.
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Post by patseng on Oct 6, 2017 6:37:57 GMT -5
Thursday night games are always ugly and truthfully we shouldn't have won this one but I will take it. For some reason Thursday nights always trip up the Pats so to come out with a W, esp the way the O played I will take it and run
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 6, 2017 7:02:47 GMT -5
Thursday night games are always ugly and truthfully we shouldn't have won this one but I will take it. For some reason Thursday nights always trip up the Pats so to come out with a W, esp the way the O played I will take it and run Well, the Bucs shouldn't have won it either. We tried to give them the game by dropping passes, the OL letting guys run in unblocked, throwing an int, strip sack, deciding to punt instead of trying a FG, and committing a gazillion penalties. We did all those things and they still couldn't win. But of course, we always count the mistakes the other team makes as reasons for them "losing the game instead of us winning it" and never factor in the fact they benefitted from quite a few of our mistakes too.
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Post by patseng on Oct 6, 2017 7:06:08 GMT -5
Thursday night games are always ugly and truthfully we shouldn't have won this one but I will take it. For some reason Thursday nights always trip up the Pats so to come out with a W, esp the way the O played I will take it and run Well, the Bucs shouldn't have won it either. We tried to give them the game by dropping passes, the OL letting guys run in unblocked, throwing an int, strip sack, deciding to punt instead of trying a FG, and committing a gazillion penalties. We did all those things and they still couldn't win. But of course, we always count the mistakes the other team makes as reasons for them "losing the game instead of us winning it" and never factor in the fact they benefitted from quite a few of our mistakes too. Normally I agree, esp the penalties part, but I don't knock a team for taking advantage of a teams weakness like we have for years. Tampa's D took full advantage of our weak OL to create pressure, the int, and strip sack. I would put that into the reason the Buc's should have won more than lost. But, those 3 missed FGs, yeah you can't do that and expect to win
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Post by ATJ on Oct 6, 2017 7:11:58 GMT -5
Thursday night games are always ugly and truthfully we shouldn't have won this one but I will take it. For some reason Thursday nights always trip up the Pats so to come out with a W, esp the way the O played I will take it and run Apart from the performance aspect of Thursday night games the injury risk has got to be substantially greater for every player. I don't like the concept at all.
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Post by agcsbill on Oct 6, 2017 7:15:16 GMT -5
I would characterize that win as pork chop ugly. I damn near swallowed my tongue over those back to back roughing the passer penalties. ... and then on the very next Patriot series, we see Brady get hit even worse than Winston did on those two calls and no flag. I am certain NFL fans everywhere loved the unevenness of the calls.
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 6, 2017 7:15:40 GMT -5
Well, the Bucs shouldn't have won it either. We tried to give them the game by dropping passes, the OL letting guys run in unblocked, throwing an int, strip sack, deciding to punt instead of trying a FG, and committing a gazillion penalties. We did all those things and they still couldn't win. But of course, we always count the mistakes the other team makes as reasons for them "losing the game instead of us winning it" and never factor in the fact they benefitted from quite a few of our mistakes too. Normally I agree, esp the penalties part, but I don't knock a team for taking advantage of a teams weakness like we have for years. Tampa's D took full advantage of our weak OL to create pressure, the int, and strip sack. I would put that into the reason the Buc's should have won more than lost. But, those 3 missed FGs, yeah you can't do that and expect to win Two of those misses weren't in gimme range. 56 and 49 yard FG's are hardly automatic. People are acting like he missed 3 FG's from 29 yards or something.
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Post by agcsbill on Oct 6, 2017 7:16:14 GMT -5
Thursday night games are always ugly and truthfully we shouldn't have won this one but I will take it. For some reason Thursday nights always trip up the Pats so to come out with a W, esp the way the O played I will take it and run Apart from the performance aspect of Thursday night games the injury risk has got to be substantially greater for every player. I don't like the concept at all. Somehow you get the feeling Brady is bruising right now and may be on the injury report this week. Seems his left leg may have been tweaked.
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Post by patseng on Oct 6, 2017 7:24:02 GMT -5
Normally I agree, esp the penalties part, but I don't knock a team for taking advantage of a teams weakness like we have for years. Tampa's D took full advantage of our weak OL to create pressure, the int, and strip sack. I would put that into the reason the Buc's should have won more than lost. But, those 3 missed FGs, yeah you can't do that and expect to win Two of those misses weren't in gimme range. 56 and 49 yard FG's are hardly automatic. People are acting like he missed 3 FG's from 29 yards or something. 56 yeah that's hardly an automatic but Folk at 49 is over 80% that he makes it. 49 now a days is pretty close, certainly not the case 20 years ago though and don't forget to mention the 31 yarder. I notice how you left that one out.
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 6, 2017 7:38:33 GMT -5
Two of those misses weren't in gimme range. 56 and 49 yard FG's are hardly automatic. People are acting like he missed 3 FG's from 29 yards or something. 56 yeah that's hardly an automatic but Folk at 49 is over 80% that he makes it. 49 now a days is pretty close, certainly not the case 20 years ago though and don't forget to mention the 31 yarder. I notice how you left that one out. Hence the reason I said two of his misses, not all three of his misses. I thought the "eng" in your username stood for English
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Post by patseng on Oct 6, 2017 7:49:17 GMT -5
56 yeah that's hardly an automatic but Folk at 49 is over 80% that he makes it. 49 now a days is pretty close, certainly not the case 20 years ago though and don't forget to mention the 31 yarder. I notice how you left that one out. Hence the reason I said two of his misses, not all three of his misses. I thought the "eng" in your username stood for English Nope, engineer. So you can say he missed 2 out of 3 he has a higher than 80% chance of making then huh.... so if he made those 2 would the score be different? I think you completely missed that point when you overlooked it
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Post by neinmd on Oct 6, 2017 8:00:44 GMT -5
Not an efficient machine yet, and that's a massive understatement, BUT I can see the improvement in backfield communications on defense. Maybe going zone completely was the answer, and Gilmore seemed OK with it.
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 6, 2017 8:04:24 GMT -5
Hence the reason I said two of his misses, not all three of his misses. I thought the "eng" in your username stood for English Nope, engineer. So you can say he missed 2 out of 3 he has a higher than 80% chance of making then huh.... so if he made those 2 would the score be different? I think you completely missed that point when you overlooked it Want to get all technical on me :^) Here are his career stats: 50+ yards: 24 of 41 59% 40 - 49 yards: 64 of 91 70% Now factor in his misses were on the far end of both ranges (56 and 49). I fully accept his 31 yarder was a screw up.
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