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Post by rkarp on Oct 9, 2017 6:41:20 GMT -5
Unusual Sunday in that I was home. Pats were not playing on the road. Raining so inside all day. Watched 3 full games and parts of 4 others. I actually enjoyed the toggle back and forth between the Bills and Jets. First chance seeing either this season.
-many of us posters enjoy the 2nd guess of BB on the field and in the GM chair. Watching Bowles, OB, Hue Jackson and Marv Lewis all I can say is wow. Glad they are not here. I think McDermott may be a guy to keep an eye on however.
-saw the punter numbers from PFF and the numbers confirm what many of us are seeing and posting. Tough season to date for Ryan Allen. he needs to step it up. not to be lost however is his importance as the FG holder.
-looks like the performances Cam and Watson had against the Pats seem pretty legit. they are both better than assumed, and perhaps the Pats D not as bad as assumed (posted by many). KC also looks like they will be there at the end.
-I do think it ok to wonder, at seasons end, who has the better trade value Brissett and his contract or Jimmy and his franch tag? I do think at seasons end, Brissett will be a whole lot more valuable than a 5th WR.
-with the team set to practice tomorrow, do we see some roster moves today? looks like Giants need some WR's. don't think the Pats match up with them
-what appears to be season enders for Merciless and Watt make the Texans so much less formidable. always hate to see injuries, even against the competition
-that ringing you hear is me sounding the alarm; DON'T OVERLOOK THE JETS!!. Pats need to come out focused on the task at hand and not look to next week. Jets capable of playing "their Super Bowl" and shocking.
-let the finger pointing begin that I am a Jets fan. I don't care as long as the Pats walk away with the must have W
-speaking of which, the talk of the Jets playing to 0-16 was as laughable as the talk of the Pats playing to 16-0. Seems Bowles was not fibbing that the team was not "tanking".
-I do think the Jets LB's should be exposed in the passing game and we should see plenty of White and Lewis catching the ball. that said, the Jets DL still capable of getting to TB. Pats OL need to really step up their games. Talking to you Solder and Thuney.
-seems like an appropriate time for me to post how wrong I was about the Giants. I had expected a much better team.
-lets hope for some roster moves to discuss this week
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 9, 2017 6:52:43 GMT -5
Yeah, Cam and Watson aren't the feeble QB's they were painted as here. Nor is Alex Smith. Brissett is an interesting storyline to watch. My take is that JG is here next season too. If they let him go and we have neither JG not Brissett it would be a curious decision. We should never overlook a division foe….ever. Anyone who has followed the NFL more than a week knows that division foes often play each other tough and it doesn't matter what the records are.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 9, 2017 7:46:23 GMT -5
seems an argument could be made that at the third of season mark, Smith may be the league MVP?
Jimmy needs to be signed or franchised to be traded
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Post by mthurl on Oct 9, 2017 8:13:39 GMT -5
Interesting that you say you spent the day inside because of the weather, etc. It was strange not having the Pats on, I spent most of my day outside - big mistake - went mountain biking with a friend and was caught in a torrential downpour (pretty bad experience). Then took my son to the gym, managed to watch a little football there, went out to dinner with friends and most at the table said they spent the day inside watching football.
The Brissett trade isn't looking too good right now, I haven't seen him play since the trade but he's winning them games, that's certainly something. Now Brissett may never amount to anything but he's a QB, any QB that's done anything positive - and is young - has immense value. In this trade the colts may have acquired a guy who not only is winning them games, but they may be able to flip this player for a first round pick next year...imagine that?? As for Dorsett, I actually think he's looked pretty good in spots...I wouldn't call him a dud just yet. But yeah the colts have probably gained much more from this trade.
I didn't realize Merciless was lost for the season along with Watt, if that's true that's a HUGE blow to that team. I mean that's your team right there, it'd be like losing Edelman and Gronk for us.
Watching that Buffalo game yesterday...I can't get over how good McCoy is, he's got another gear, vision, balance, strength...he is quite a handful. He doesn't get the publicity other backs enjoy because his team usually is in the dumpster, but he may start getting it if Buffalo can win (which probably won't continue to happen).
I would be shocked if the Pats don't acquire someone this week, I'd expect a front seven player to be either traded for, signed or brought up.
I'm really hoping Valentine, Mitchell and McClellin can return this year, but I wouldn't be surprised if none of them do. As far as I know Mitchell didn't have knee surgery, so perhaps he could try to make it through the rest of the year? Valentine is a big man, wasn't it his back? That'd be tough to come back from when you weigh 300 plus.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 9, 2017 8:24:22 GMT -5
I believe Valentine was his knee.
I like Dorsett and love speed. I do think he is in a tough spot here trying to gain TB's confidence with not a lot of time practicing so far given when he was acquired and the teams schedule. assuming he does assimilate, I do not see him becoming a core offensive contributor given his route running and build. I have to think Danny, Hogan, Cooks, Gronk, White, Lewis, Burkhead and maybe Hollister and hopefully down the road Mitchell see the bulk of the snaps and targets. Dorsett appears to be depth if injury or a couple of snaps per game with limited targets.
I do not believe Valentine, McClellin and Mitchell all can return this year. I believe only two of them can per league rules
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Post by wazzu on Oct 9, 2017 8:29:11 GMT -5
I believe Valentine was his knee. I like Dorsett and love speed. I do think he is in a tough spot here trying to gain TB's confidence with not a lot of time practicing so far given when he was acquired and the teams schedule. assuming he does assimilate, I do not see him becoming a core offensive contributor given his route running and build. I have to think Danny, Hogan, Cooks, Gronk, White, Lewis, Burkhead and maybe Hollister and hopefully down the road Mitchell see the bulk of the snaps and targets. Dorsett appears to be depth if injury or a couple of snaps per game with limited targets. I do not believe Valentine, McClellin and Mitchell all can return this year. I believe only two of them can per league rules Yeah, only 2 IR players can return. They have to miss 8 weeks minimum. I think McClellin comes back. Not sure how it will go with Mitchell and Valentine. I’d almost plan on just giving Mitchell the year off. Love the kid, but he needs to get that knee as healthy as possible.
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 9, 2017 10:01:57 GMT -5
I believe Valentine was his knee. I like Dorsett and love speed. I do think he is in a tough spot here trying to gain TB's confidence with not a lot of time practicing so far given when he was acquired and the teams schedule. assuming he does assimilate, I do not see him becoming a core offensive contributor given his route running and build. I have to think Danny, Hogan, Cooks, Gronk, White, Lewis, Burkhead and maybe Hollister and hopefully down the road Mitchell see the bulk of the snaps and targets. Dorsett appears to be depth if injury or a couple of snaps per game with limited targets. I do not believe Valentine, McClellin and Mitchell all can return this year. I believe only two of them can per league rules Yeah, only 2 IR players can return. They have to miss 8 weeks minimum. I think McClellin comes back. Not sure how it will go with Mitchell and Valentine. I’d almost plan on just giving Mitchell the year off. Love the kid, but he needs to get that knee as healthy as possible. I want to agree on Mitchell but I fear Danny Hands will not last all season, or at least miss some games down the road. Although Mitchell is not Danny Hands he did start to have good chemistry with Brady and those guys don't grow on trees. Mitchell's performance in the SB has me wanting more of him. It is very telling that when Brady was mounting his comeback he looked the rookie's way often and the rookie came through. Clutch is another thing that doesn't grow on trees.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 10:46:10 GMT -5
If we lose to the Jets, even in NY, then this team has HUGE problems. I will say their Defense is not that bad. Stop the run, don't play bend or break Defense, and in passing situations, throw the kitchen sink at McCown. Blitz the living _hit out of him. On Offense no Turnovers, and you can run on them. Defensive backfield is their strength, especially their Safeties.
If McCown even comes close to 300 yards passing, then I see huge problems, playing teams with decent QB's. There's 3-2 teams, but Jets are an illusion. Jets had 67 total yards on Offense in 1st half yesterday.
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Post by garytx on Oct 9, 2017 11:32:05 GMT -5
Jets game is huge. Especially with 10 days to prepare.
Happy Brissett is doing well. I caught last weeks game and he looked pretty good.
Giants look pretty sad. Poor drafting. GM should get the boot.
The defense is bad. So many new parts. A lot of work needed.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 9, 2017 17:27:02 GMT -5
seems an argument can be made that the best team in the AFC is KC and the best team in the NFC is Carolina.
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 9, 2017 17:38:05 GMT -5
seems an argument can be made that the best team in the AFC is KC and the best team in the NFC is Carolina. Best team in the AFC is NEW ENGLAND
best team in the NFC is either GB or Atlanta
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Post by rkarp on Oct 9, 2017 17:48:11 GMT -5
not only was I wrong with the Jints. I was also wrong with the Browns. Thought they may be competitive this season. Watched Watson tear it up the past 3 weeks. Also watched Wentz have a career game. Dak also very impressive. Browns passed on all of them in the draft. looking forward to seeing Tribinsky tonight. I have never seen him play.
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Post by thejuice on Oct 9, 2017 18:18:31 GMT -5
not only was I wrong with the Jints. I was also wrong with the Browns. Thought they may be competitive this season. Watched Watson tear it up the past 3 weeks. Also watched Wentz have a career game. Dak also very impressive. Browns passed on all of them in the draft. looking forward to seeing Tribinsky tonight. I have never seen him play. I'm interested in seeing bears qb trubisky not sure who you're watching 😁😁😁
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Post by fletcherbrook on Oct 9, 2017 19:02:11 GMT -5
Yeah, only 2 IR players can return. They have to miss 8 weeks minimum. I think McClellin comes back. Not sure how it will go with Mitchell and Valentine. I’d almost plan on just giving Mitchell the year off. Love the kid, but he needs to get that knee as healthy as possible. I want to agree on Mitchell but I fear Danny Hands will not last all season, or at least miss some games down the road. Although Mitchell is not Danny Hands he did start to have good chemistry with Brady and those guys don't grow on trees. Mitchell's performance in the SB has me wanting more of him. It is very telling that when Brady was mounting his comeback he looked the rookie's way often and the rookie came through. Clutch is another thing that doesn't grow on trees. no way in hell I keep Mitchell away if he is clears to go. we need him immensely IMO. as you mentioned danny is a walking injury. gronk is a walking injury. sausage legs allen is a putz. you ready to roll into jan with Cooks and Hogan with dorsette as the only thing between you and jabar Gaffney? not me. plus this kid needs to be on the field. its critical to his development(providing he is healthy as stated)
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Post by wonderdrums on Oct 9, 2017 22:01:03 GMT -5
Yeah, Cam and Watson aren't the feeble QB's they were painted as here. Nor is Alex Smith. Brissett is an interesting storyline to watch. My take is that JG is here next season too. If they let him go and we have neither JG not Brissett it would be a curious decision. We should never overlook a division foe….ever. Anyone who has followed the NFL more than a week knows that division foes often play each other tough and it doesn't matter what the records are. I don’t recall anyone calling Alex Smith or Deshaun Watson feeble. I wouldn’t put any faith in Cam Newton. He will never win a SB. He’s athletically very gifted but mentally he just doesn’t get it. He’s shown time and time again that he’s not mature enough to lead a team anywhere.
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Post by jri37 on Oct 10, 2017 19:01:41 GMT -5
So just re-watched the game and this is what I saw.
The O-line really needs to be more consistent. There were times Brady had all day to throw and there were just as many times he had zero time. Just be consistent.
They really need to find a way to get Cooks the ball. The kid is dynamic when he as the the ball in his hands. BTW he is a really good route runner, very precise.
Loved the way Gilislee and Lewis ran. Would like to se more of a commitment to the run.
The D overall for 3.5 quarters was very good.
Chung and Gilmore were very good in coverage. Yes Chung got beat for a TD but he had good underneath coverage but it was a good throw and catch sometimes that happens.
After watching the replay I'm feeling better about this team.
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Post by rkarp on Oct 11, 2017 8:24:30 GMT -5
So just re-watched the game and this is what I saw. The O-line really needs to be more consistent. There were times Brady had all day to throw and there were just as many times he had zero time. Just be consistent. They really need to find a way to get Cooks the ball. The kid is dynamic when he as the the ball in his hands. BTW he is a really good route runner, very precise. Loved the way Gilislee and Lewis ran. Would like to se more of a commitment to the run. The D overall for 3.5 quarters was very good. Chung and Gilmore were very good in coverage. Yes Chung got beat for a TD but he had good underneath coverage but it was a good throw and catch sometimes that happens. After watching the replay I'm feeling better about this team. JRI, really interesting what you see and do not see in a game while in attendance. and then you see some totally different things on the replay. Right? I cant tell you how many times I was at the game with my wife, fought the traffic, went out to dinner, got home and watched the replay right away totally pissing off my wife. I would often say to my wife that they were two different games! At the game, I think you see much better; -blown coverage in the defensive back field -open yards available to a player with the ball in his hands -route running On replay; -OL and DL play is so much more evident
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Post by wazzu on Oct 11, 2017 8:41:18 GMT -5
So just re-watched the game and this is what I saw. The O-line really needs to be more consistent. There were times Brady had all day to throw and there were just as many times he had zero time. Just be consistent. They really need to find a way to get Cooks the ball. The kid is dynamic when he as the the ball in his hands. BTW he is a really good route runner, very precise. Loved the way Gilislee and Lewis ran. Would like to se more of a commitment to the run. The D overall for 3.5 quarters was very good. Chung and Gilmore were very good in coverage. Yes Chung got beat for a TD but he had good underneath coverage but it was a good throw and catch sometimes that happens. After watching the replay I'm feeling better about this team. JRI, really interesting what you see and do not see in a game while in attendance. and then you see some totally different things on the replay. Right? I cant tell you how many times I was at the game with my wife, fought the traffic, went out to dinner, got home and watched the replay right away totally pissing off my wife. I would often say to my wife that they were two different games! At the game, I think you see much better; -blown coverage in the defensive back field -open yards available to a player with the ball in his hands -route running On replay; -OL and DL play is so much more evident Totally agree. Being at a live football game does provide a much different perspective. I attend a lot of live college games, mostly Wazzu (6-0 to date!). Rarely do I attend an NFL game live. I've only been to one game in NE (Balt last year on MNF). I much prefer the college football atmosphere. Just my opinion.
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Post by jri37 on Oct 11, 2017 9:23:11 GMT -5
So just re-watched the game and this is what I saw. The O-line really needs to be more consistent. There were times Brady had all day to throw and there were just as many times he had zero time. Just be consistent. They really need to find a way to get Cooks the ball. The kid is dynamic when he as the the ball in his hands. BTW he is a really good route runner, very precise. Loved the way Gilislee and Lewis ran. Would like to se more of a commitment to the run. The D overall for 3.5 quarters was very good. Chung and Gilmore were very good in coverage. Yes Chung got beat for a TD but he had good underneath coverage but it was a good throw and catch sometimes that happens. After watching the replay I'm feeling better about this team. JRI, really interesting what you see and do not see in a game while in attendance. and then you see some totally different things on the replay. Right? I cant tell you how many times I was at the game with my wife, fought the traffic, went out to dinner, got home and watched the replay right away totally pissing off my wife. I would often say to my wife that they were two different games! At the game, I think you see much better; -blown coverage in the defensive back field -open yards available to a player with the ball in his hands -route running On replay; -OL and DL play is so much more evident agreed, what you see both in person and on TV you have to take in perspective. During the telecast obviously Chung made some nice pass breakups but when you watch from the stands and you can see the coverage in total it was clearly evident how good he was overall. Same with Gilmore when you watch him live he is really smooth in man press coverage. My perception based on seeing him live is he's not that interested tackling on running plays. Brandon Cooks live is electric with the ball in his hands. You really can't that perspective on TV. During the game Thursday I would tend to focus on Trey Flowers, this kid is on his way to becoming a star on this team.
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Post by portfolio1 on Oct 11, 2017 10:21:22 GMT -5
JRI, really interesting what you see and do not see in a game while in attendance. and then you see some totally different things on the replay. Right? I cant tell you how many times I was at the game with my wife, fought the traffic, went out to dinner, got home and watched the replay right away totally pissing off my wife. I would often say to my wife that they were two different games! At the game, I think you see much better; -blown coverage in the defensive back field -open yards available to a player with the ball in his hands -route running On replay; -OL and DL play is so much more evident agreed, what you see both in person and on TV you have to take in perspective. During the telecast obviously Chung made some nice pass breakups but when you watch from the stands and you can see the coverage in total it was clearly evident how good he was overall. Same with Gilmore when you watch him live he is really smooth in man press coverage. My perception based on seeing him live is he's not that interested tackling on running plays. Brandon Cooks live is electric with the ball in his hands. You really can't that perspective on TV. During the game Thursday I would tend to focus on Trey Flowers, this kid is on his way to becoming a star on this team. Extend him now (Flowers)
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 11, 2017 11:53:23 GMT -5
agreed, what you see both in person and on TV you have to take in perspective. During the telecast obviously Chung made some nice pass breakups but when you watch from the stands and you can see the coverage in total it was clearly evident how good he was overall. Same with Gilmore when you watch him live he is really smooth in man press coverage. My perception based on seeing him live is he's not that interested tackling on running plays. Brandon Cooks live is electric with the ball in his hands. You really can't that perspective on TV. During the game Thursday I would tend to focus on Trey Flowers, this kid is on his way to becoming a star on this team. Extend him now (Flowers) I imagine they will try this season or offseason. It takes two to tango though. It appears as if a lot of players are willing to bet on themselves now and wait until free agency. They know they are leaving money on the table signing an early deal. Of course they get security in return.
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Post by portfolio1 on Oct 11, 2017 12:13:57 GMT -5
I imagine they will try this season or offseason. It takes two to tango though. It appears as if a lot of players are willing to bet on themselves now and wait until free agency. They know they are leaving money on the table signing an early deal. Of course they get security in return. And they get some of the money a little earlier... We might need to send Flowers to Jules weekend retreat at Burgertime Prep where players are taught to respect BB's awthawritee and sign on the dotted line.
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Post by homefield on Oct 12, 2017 21:00:28 GMT -5
agreed, what you see both in person and on TV you have to take in perspective. During the telecast obviously Chung made some nice pass breakups but when you watch from the stands and you can see the coverage in total it was clearly evident how good he was overall. Same with Gilmore when you watch him live he is really smooth in man press coverage. My perception based on seeing him live is he's not that interested tackling on running plays. Brandon Cooks live is electric with the ball in his hands. You really can't that perspective on TV. During the game Thursday I would tend to focus on Trey Flowers, this kid is on his way to becoming a star on this team. Extend him now (Flowers) Agree! I worry if they wait he'll end up getting traded like Jones. I like him a lot more than Jones, so I wouldn't mind if they gave him a big contract a year earlier and structured it so it would be more cap friendly, instead of the ridiculous contracts that the premier pass rushers are getting.
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Post by thejuice on Oct 13, 2017 12:41:52 GMT -5
Agree! I worry if they wait he'll end up getting traded like Jones. I like him a lot more than Jones, so I wouldn't mind if they gave him a big contract a year earlier and structured it so it would be more cap friendly, instead of the ridiculous contracts that the premier pass rushers are getting. Completely agree
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Post by coolade on Oct 14, 2017 7:36:12 GMT -5
I observed Michael Floyd back from suspension (1 catch)...
Am I the only one who would rather have Floyd than Dorsett... And now we get to see Brisett , Blount and now Floyd going off for other teams... Ug.
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