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Post by Shelly on Oct 10, 2017 20:46:41 GMT -5
I see the small difference in times between last year and this year for Brady getting rid of the ball. Part of that, I believe, is because he has more downfield opportunities and they take longer. I would love to see the time comparisons for the <15 yd pass plays, or for those when you remove the 20 yds in the air plays.
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Post by raptor64d on Oct 10, 2017 22:02:43 GMT -5
After seeing him get bent up like a pretzel and being 40 he can take as many days off as he wants as long as he is there game time!!!!!
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 11, 2017 3:15:48 GMT -5
Since forming BSJ Bedard's been at every game and virtually all the practices. That wasn't the case when he was on MMQB the last several years. He reported ~2.7 seconds from his breakdowns of all plays, the other report lists Brady at 2.09 before this year. Bedard didn't specify a previous time, but the above report seems plausible, and it's what I recall being broadcast before. Ya I believe someone who's actually there and breaks it down after. BSJ costs 14 cents a day on an annual basis Where Is the breakdown? Link? Show it! Here is this year nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yardsOnly one in the low 2s is Carr. The same guy you said sucks in the pocket. The same one who got sacked 4 times the day he refused to take a knee. Lol And if you can get 2016 to come up, it says TB 2.57 Those are some interesting stats you pulled up. I'm not going to call them inaccurate but do they pass the smell test to you? 1. Brady had the 16th quickest time to throw last season? 16th? Middle of the pack? Studs like Brian Hoyer, Bryce Petty, Andy Dalton, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum were all quicker than Brady to throw the ball? Alex Smith led the NFL? If this is true then none of us here should ever repeat that Brady gets the ball off quick again. Heck, he's just average. Except we know he does get the ball off quick and he isn't average. 2. In 2016 the time to throw average ranged from 2.38 (Alex Smith) to 3.12 (Tyrod Taylor). Taylor is a bit of an outlier. The guy under him is 2.89. Does that range pass the smell test to you? If it does then clearly fractions of a second matter. Now put aside all stats and let's just use our common sense here. Does it make sense that Brady would take more time to throw the ball with Edelman out. Yes, yes it does. Does it make sense that Brady would take more time to throw the ball when we are throwing a bit deeper now? Yes, yes it does. Does it make sense that there were times in 2016 when Brady would barely beat the rush and now those times become hits and sacks? Yes, yes it does. As for the stats, I'm having a hard time reconciling what they show. Which of the following do you think is true? 1. It is a myth that Brady gets the ball off quick and he is in fact just middle of the pack? That's what those stats show. Maybe our OL would look better Case Keenum because he gets the ball out faster lol. I only looked at least year's stats when Edelman was in there. 2. The data collection is suspect here. There has to be a greater range in time to throw amongst QB's. There can't be less than a second separating all QB's, or can there?3. The Pats threw a lot of quick dink and dunk passes but sprinkled in some plays that took a long time to develop and the OL held up. Those long plays skewed the time to throw?4. Our dink and dunk plays take longer than we thought?
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Post by pezz4pats on Oct 11, 2017 6:46:37 GMT -5
Where Is the breakdown? Link? Show it! Here is this year nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yardsOnly one in the low 2s is Carr. The same guy you said sucks in the pocket. The same one who got sacked 4 times the day he refused to take a knee. Lol And if you can get 2016 to come up, it says TB 2.57 Those are some interesting stats you pulled up. I'm not going to call them inaccurate but do they pass the smell test to you? 1. Brady had the 16th quickest time to throw last season? 16th? League average? Studs like Brian Hoyer, Bryce Petty, Andy Dalton, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum were all quicker than Brady to throw the ball? Alex Smith led the NFL? If this is true then none of us here should ever repeat that Brady gets the ball off quick again. Heck, he's just average. Except we know he does get the ball off quick and he isn't average. 2. In 2016 the time to throw average ranged from 2.38 (Alex Smith) to 3.12 (Tyrod Taylor). Taylor is a bit of an outlier. The guy under him is 2.89. Does that range pass the smell test to you? If it does then clearly fractions of a second matter. Now put aside all stats and let's just use our common sense here. Does it make sense that Brady would take more time to throw the ball with Edelman out. Yes, yes it does. Does it make sense that Brady would take more time to throw the ball when we are throwing a bit deeper now? Yes, yes it does. Does it make sense that there were times in 2016 when Brady would barely beat the rush and now those times become hits and sacks? Yes, yes it does. As for the stats, which of the following do you think is true? 1. It is a myth that Brady gets the ball off quick and he is in fact just average? I only looked at least year's stats when Edelman was in there. 2. The data collection is suspect here. There has to be a greater range in time to throw amongst QB's. There can't be less than a second separating all QB's, or can there?3. The Pats threw a lot of quick dink and dunk passes but sprinkled in some plays that took a long time to develop and the OL held up. Those long plays skew the time to throw.4. Our dink and dunk plays take longer than we thought.I know Brady has one of the quickest releases but is release time the same as time to throw? While he may throw to JE on average of 2:10, he doesn't throw to JE every pass..When you see them flash that 2:10 on the screen, that was one pass, not 40... Sometimes he'll have 4 seconds to survey and then throw, but not usually. Sometime he'll scramble before throwing, but not usually. Sometimes he won't throw at all because he's on the ground but those wouldn't count as a throw. Seems to be an awful lot of those, this year and when he needs that extra fraction of a second to survey, he's not getting it. That is the point
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 11, 2017 6:49:47 GMT -5
Those are some interesting stats you pulled up. I'm not going to call them inaccurate but do they pass the smell test to you? 1. Brady had the 16th quickest time to throw last season? 16th? League average? Studs like Brian Hoyer, Bryce Petty, Andy Dalton, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum were all quicker than Brady to throw the ball? Alex Smith led the NFL? If this is true then none of us here should ever repeat that Brady gets the ball off quick again. Heck, he's just average. Except we know he does get the ball off quick and he isn't average. 2. In 2016 the time to throw average ranged from 2.38 (Alex Smith) to 3.12 (Tyrod Taylor). Taylor is a bit of an outlier. The guy under him is 2.89. Does that range pass the smell test to you? If it does then clearly fractions of a second matter. Now put aside all stats and let's just use our common sense here. Does it make sense that Brady would take more time to throw the ball with Edelman out. Yes, yes it does. Does it make sense that Brady would take more time to throw the ball when we are throwing a bit deeper now? Yes, yes it does. Does it make sense that there were times in 2016 when Brady would barely beat the rush and now those times become hits and sacks? Yes, yes it does. As for the stats, which of the following do you think is true? 1. It is a myth that Brady gets the ball off quick and he is in fact just average? I only looked at least year's stats when Edelman was in there. 2. The data collection is suspect here. There has to be a greater range in time to throw amongst QB's. There can't be less than a second separating all QB's, or can there?3. The Pats threw a lot of quick dink and dunk passes but sprinkled in some plays that took a long time to develop and the OL held up. Those long plays skew the time to throw.4. Our dink and dunk plays take longer than we thought.I know Brady has one of the quickest releases but is release time the same as time to throw? While he may throw to JE on average of 2:10, he doesn't throw to JE every pass. Sometimes he'll have 4 seconds to survey and then throw, but not usually. Sometime he'll scramble before throwing, but not usually. Sometimes he won't throw at all because he's on the ground but those wouldn't count as a throw. Seems to be an awful lot of those, this year and when he needs that extra fraction of a second to survey, he's not getting it. That is the point Technically, I don't think they are. Colloquially the two mean the same. When most fans mention quick release they mean time to throw the ball.
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Post by pezz4pats on Oct 11, 2017 6:55:45 GMT -5
I know Brady has one of the quickest releases but is release time the same as time to throw? While he may throw to JE on average of 2:10, he doesn't throw to JE every pass. Sometimes he'll have 4 seconds to survey and then throw, but not usually. Sometime he'll scramble before throwing, but not usually. Sometimes he won't throw at all because he's on the ground but those wouldn't count as a throw. Seems to be an awful lot of those, this year and when he needs that extra fraction of a second to survey, he's not getting it. That is the point Technically, I don't think they are. Colloquially the two mean the same. When most fans mention quick release they mean time to throw the ball. Well those are the times averaged over a year.
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 11, 2017 7:03:53 GMT -5
Technically, I don't think they are. Colloquially the two mean the same. When most fans mention quick release they mean time to throw the ball. Well those are the times averaged over a year. I get that. However, if those stats are accurate then Brady is absolutely middle of the pack in getting the ball off. I think that goes contrary to the perception every single one of us have as well as the perception of most analysts. It debunks the theory that he has bailed out the OL by getting rid of the ball quick. According to those numbers the OL would look better with Case Keenum under center. I don't believe that which is why I question the numbers. You gotta admit, those numbers are not what you would expect to see.
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Post by pezz4pats on Oct 11, 2017 7:23:32 GMT -5
Well those are the times averaged over a year. I get that. However, if those stats are accurate then Brady is absolutely middle of the pack in getting the ball off. I think that goes contrary to the perception every single one of us have as well as the perception of most analysts. It debunks the theory that he has bailed out the OL by getting rid of the ball quick. According to those numbers the OL would look better with Case Keenum under center. I don't believe that which is why I question the numbers. You gotta admit, those numbers are not what you would expect to see. I wouldn't expect to see them if he threw to JR all the time, but he doesn't. Each game has a different plan. Sometimes they go long and sometimes dump off a lot and don't go long at all or seldom. Regardless of the average, whether high or not, the question is, Is he getting the time needed to make those throws and I think the answer is obvious. It's not his job to dump off every chance he gets to avoid a hit. It's their job to protect him and that's a fail.
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Post by portfolio1 on Oct 11, 2017 10:09:05 GMT -5
Danny is holding up the fort for Jules.
O line has an annual problem - other teams tee off because they are only concerned about TB and not the run - for the most part. I think using Lewis more MIGHT help some. And passing to RBs and Danny short might help some...
But so would better blocking. And so would better D so that TB is not playing from behind or otherwise having to throw all the time.
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Post by mrmojo112058 on Oct 11, 2017 12:00:05 GMT -5
Here's a bit of good news. From USA Today:
The New England Patriots have their quarterback back. Tom Brady returned to practice on Wednesday after missing Tuesday’s practice. Brady is dealing with an AC joint sprain in his left shoulder, according to reports.
While Brady returned, Eric Rowe and Nate Solder were absent Wednesday. Solder was present Tuesday — Rowe was not, and is dealing with a groin injury which held him out of Week 5.
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Post by philskiw on Oct 11, 2017 12:18:13 GMT -5
Solder is always absent when Brady is there.
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Post by portfolio1 on Oct 11, 2017 12:30:45 GMT -5
You mean like in the backfield 2.73 second into the play?
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Post by thejuice on Oct 11, 2017 17:28:38 GMT -5
Solder sucks. Seriously. Bench him and start waddle.
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