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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Oct 26, 2017 9:25:06 GMT -5
In the wake of the Hightower news, BB/NC might be on the prowl for LB depth. With that comes the challenge of finding a trade partner, as with the current level of parity in the league, a lot of teams might be holding onto their assets. Fortunately for NE, the NYG prob aren't one of those teams (mention Jonathan Casillas as an option a few weeks ago), as they remain a dumpster fire at 1-6. Kennard comes with the size that BB likes in his LB's (listed 6-3 251 on Giants.com, and 6-4 256 on NFL.com), and also presents some versatility, that is "capable of rushing the passer, covering tight ends, and stuffing the run." (See link to story below)... Kennard can possibly give you that, and he's young (turned 26 in July), and in a contract year. He's also said to play with fire, which is something that most fans want in a player. On the negative side, he had some injury issues during the first two years of his career, but has played in every game over the last season and half, starting 15 of the 23 games. Overall, he's not DH, no one really will/can be at this point, but he might be someone that can help mitigate the loss, and give them some quality snaps. scout.com/nfl/giants/Article/2017-Could-be-a-Huge-Year-for-Devon-Kennard-74906380 |
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Post by rkarp on Oct 26, 2017 9:32:18 GMT -5
Thanks MB. I think there are numerous players that could be available and/or traded for. the question is at what cost and how fast can they get up to speed? we saw VanNoy comment that he is finally, after 1 year and a full training camp, becoming comfortable in this defense. To expect a younger, inexperienced player to come in with no training camp and contribute is asking an awful lot
I think the Cassillas and Nink commentary is both a reflection on their potential availability and their knowledge from past experience playing in this defense.
Fwiw, I now see some chatter regarding a Dorsett for Cassillas trade. seems to me that is robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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Post by neinmd on Oct 26, 2017 9:34:03 GMT -5
In the wake of the Hightower news, BB/NC might be on the prowl for LB depth. With that comes the challenge of finding a trade partner, as with the current level of parity in the league, a lot of teams might be holding onto their assets. Fortunately for NE, the NYG prob aren't one of those teams (mention Jonathan Casillas as an option a few weeks ago), as they remain a dumpster fire at 1-6. Kennard comes with the size that BB likes in his LB's (listed 6-3 251 on Giants.com, and 6-4 256 on NFL.com), and also presents some versatility, that is "capable of rushing the passer, covering tight ends, and stuffing the run." (See link to story below)... Kennard can possibly give you that, and he's young (turned 26 in July), and in a contract year. He's also said to play with fire, which is something that most fans want in a player. On the negative side, he had some injury issues during the first two years of his career, but has played in every game over the last season and half, starting 15 of the 23 games. Overall, he's not DH, no one really will/can be at this point, but he might be someone that can help mitigate the loss, and give them some quality snaps. scout.com/nfl/giants/Article/2017-Could-be-a-Huge-Year-for-Devon-Kennard-74906380I like Kennard, but hasn't he had a couple of major hamstring injuries? |
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Post by texaspat on Oct 26, 2017 9:43:36 GMT -5
In the wake of the Hightower news, BB/NC might be on the prowl for LB depth. With that comes the challenge of finding a trade partner, as with the current level of parity in the league, a lot of teams might be holding onto their assets. Fortunately for NE, the NYG prob aren't one of those teams (mention Jonathan Casillas as an option a few weeks ago), as they remain a dumpster fire at 1-6. Kennard comes with the size that BB likes in his LB's (listed 6-3 251 on Giants.com, and 6-4 256 on NFL.com), and also presents some versatility, that is "capable of rushing the passer, covering tight ends, and stuffing the run." (See link to story below)... Kennard can possibly give you that, and he's young (turned 26 in July), and in a contract year. He's also said to play with fire, which is something that most fans want in a player. On the negative side, he had some injury issues during the first two years of his career, but has played in every game over the last season and half, starting 15 of the 23 games. Overall, he's not DH, no one really will/can be at this point, but he might be someone that can help mitigate the loss, and give them some quality snaps. scout.com/nfl/giants/Article/2017-Could-be-a-Huge-Year-for-Devon-Kennard-74906380Getting McClellin back should help. As you correctly stated, no one will replace Hightower. But, since we're talking Giants, how about a reunion with Jonathan Casillas?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Oct 26, 2017 9:43:57 GMT -5
Thanks MB. I think there are numerous players that could be available and/or traded for. the question is at what cost and how fast can they get up to speed? we saw VanNoy comment that he is finally, after 1 year and a full training camp, becoming comfortable in this defense. To expect a younger, inexperienced player to come in with no training camp and contribute is asking an awful lot I think the Cassillas and Nink commentary is both a reflection on their potential availability and their knowledge from past experience playing in this defense. Fwiw, I now see some chatter regarding a Dorsett for Cassillas trade. seems to me that is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Yeah, I think it's fair to assume that any player coming into NE's program will be presented with a steep learning curve, though that hasn't prevented them from trading for players in the past (i.e. Casillas was 27 and Ayers was 25, back in 2014). As for age/experience, Kennard is the same age as Van Noy (26), and came out of the same 2014 draft. As for Casillas, he's missed the past 2 games due to injury, so that's something to monitor. |
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Oct 26, 2017 9:44:58 GMT -5
In the wake of the Hightower news, BB/NC might be on the prowl for LB depth. With that comes the challenge of finding a trade partner, as with the current level of parity in the league, a lot of teams might be holding onto their assets. Fortunately for NE, the NYG prob aren't one of those teams (mention Jonathan Casillas as an option a few weeks ago), as they remain a dumpster fire at 1-6. Kennard comes with the size that BB likes in his LB's (listed 6-3 251 on Giants.com, and 6-4 256 on NFL.com), and also presents some versatility, that is "capable of rushing the passer, covering tight ends, and stuffing the run." (See link to story below)... Kennard can possibly give you that, and he's young (turned 26 in July), and in a contract year. He's also said to play with fire, which is something that most fans want in a player. On the negative side, he had some injury issues during the first two years of his career, but has played in every game over the last season and half, starting 15 of the 23 games. Overall, he's not DH, no one really will/can be at this point, but he might be someone that can help mitigate the loss, and give them some quality snaps. scout.com/nfl/giants/Article/2017-Could-be-a-Huge-Year-for-Devon-Kennard-74906380I like Kennard, but hasn't he had a couple of major hamstring injuries? Mentioned his injury history in my write-up, yes. The good news is, he's played in every game the least year and half, starting 15 of 23. |
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Oct 26, 2017 9:47:20 GMT -5
In the wake of the Hightower news, BB/NC might be on the prowl for LB depth. With that comes the challenge of finding a trade partner, as with the current level of parity in the league, a lot of teams might be holding onto their assets. Fortunately for NE, the NYG prob aren't one of those teams (mention Jonathan Casillas as an option a few weeks ago), as they remain a dumpster fire at 1-6. Kennard comes with the size that BB likes in his LB's (listed 6-3 251 on Giants.com, and 6-4 256 on NFL.com), and also presents some versatility, that is "capable of rushing the passer, covering tight ends, and stuffing the run." (See link to story below)... Kennard can possibly give you that, and he's young (turned 26 in July), and in a contract year. He's also said to play with fire, which is something that most fans want in a player. On the negative side, he had some injury issues during the first two years of his career, but has played in every game over the last season and half, starting 15 of the 23 games. Overall, he's not DH, no one really will/can be at this point, but he might be someone that can help mitigate the loss, and give them some quality snaps. scout.com/nfl/giants/Article/2017-Could-be-a-Huge-Year-for-Devon-Kennard-74906380Getting McClellin back should help. As you correctly stated, no one will replace Hightower. But, since we're talking Giants, how about a reunion with Jonathan Casillas?
Yes, mentioned Casillas in my post and has also started a thread about him a few weeks back ( patriotsfans.freeforums.net/thread/3458/7-reasons-trade-jonathan-casillas). I think he's a very good option, assuming health (he's missed the last 2 games due to injury, I believe). |
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Post by texaspat on Oct 26, 2017 9:51:51 GMT -5
Much depends on how the Patriots view David Harris. My guess is that he'll step up and play fairly well. True, he's just a run stuffer, but who can the Patriots reasonably expect to add at this stage who can cover, and/or provide a meaningful pass rush?
Time for BB to roll up his sleeves.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Oct 26, 2017 9:56:42 GMT -5
Much depends on how the Patriots view David Harris. My guess is that he'll step up and play fairly well. True, he's just a run stuffer, but who can the Patriots reasonably expect to add at this stage who can cover, and/or provide a meaningful pass rush? Time for BB to roll up his sleeves. It's a fair question, but Ayers was only 25 when they acquired him on 10/21/14, and ended up playing some quality snaps for them (20 tackles and 4 sacks in 9 games) so it's reasonable to think that someone can come in and help them situationally, which is BB's bread and butter. |
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Post by patseng on Oct 26, 2017 10:37:09 GMT -5
The question might be does Butler get the Collins treatment with the emergence of Bad. Frankly I'd rather pay Butler and Gilmore given they are saving money between Bad, Jones, Harmon, and Rowe but he is a pretty big trade chip for a LB. I wonder what we could get, could we get Atl who desperately needs CB help to give up Campbell or Deion Jones? The Rams are making noise and could use a CB would they give up a Barron?
Maybe a cheap option might be to get Hali from KC. It doesn't look like he'll be in their plans moving forward and they need to make room for him off the pup. Maybe they can get a late pick from him and not have to lose anyone off the roster ultimately
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 11:22:39 GMT -5
See how Harris does against the run, Flowers against the pass. Kid is fast.
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Post by texaspat on Oct 26, 2017 11:37:24 GMT -5
The question might be does Butler get the Collins treatment with the emergence of Bad. Frankly I'd rather pay Butler and Gilmore given they are saving money between Bad, Jones, Harmon, and Rowe but he is a pretty big trade chip for a LB. I wonder what we could get, could we get Atl who desperately needs CB help to give up Campbell or Deion Jones? The Rams are making noise and could use a CB would they give up a Barron? Maybe a cheap option might be to get Hali from KC. It doesn't look like he'll be in their plans moving forward and they need to make room for him off the pup. Maybe they can get a late pick from him and not have to lose anyone off the roster ultimately Interesting point. But the past couple of weeks, it seems that Malcolm has gotten his mojo back, and is playing very well. I don't think he's going to be traded. As for the Chiefs trading Hali to the Patriots, why would they do anything that could help one of the two teams (Steelers are the other) in the AFC that could prevent them from reaching the SB? As for those Atlanta LBs that you mentioned, I'd rather have Malcolm...especially with Rowe gone for the season. CBs are like pitchers in baseball. You can never have enough good ones. |
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Post by muzwell on Oct 26, 2017 11:44:30 GMT -5
Interesting point. But the past couple of weeks, it seems that Malcolm has gotten his mojo back, and is playing very well. I don't think he's going to be traded. As for the Chiefs trading Hali to the Patriots, why would they do anything that could help one of the two teams (Steelers are the other) in the AFC that could prevent them from reaching the SB? As for those Atlanta LBs that you mentioned, I'd rather have Malcolm... especially with Rowe gone for the season. CBs are like pitchers in baseball. You can never have enough good ones. Has that been announced...last I remember was out indefinitely. |
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Post by patseng on Oct 26, 2017 12:10:21 GMT -5
Interesting point. But the past couple of weeks, it seems that Malcolm has gotten his mojo back, and is playing very well. I don't think he's going to be traded. As for the Chiefs trading Hali to the Patriots, why would they do anything that could help one of the two teams (Steelers are the other) in the AFC that could prevent them from reaching the SB? As for those Atlanta LBs that you mentioned, I'd rather have Malcolm... especially with Rowe gone for the season. CBs are like pitchers in baseball. You can never have enough good ones. Has that been announced...last I remember was out indefinitely. I wonder if it's out indefinitely because of injury of out indefinitely until you can't make the 50% snap count for the season so we h=only have to give up a 4th for a jag instead of a 3rd |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 12:23:35 GMT -5
Rowe has played in 18.9% of the snaps, so he'll have to play 75% of the snaps rest of year for it to kick in. Most he's played in a game is 52.9. So wont have to give up 3rd. At least chances are very slim.
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Post by patseng on Oct 26, 2017 12:25:23 GMT -5
Rowe has played in 18.9% of the snaps, so he'll have to play 75% of the snaps rest of year for it to kick in. Most he's played in a game is 52.9. So wont have to give up 3rd. Unless another injury happens, lol (I have to go find a piece of wood now) |
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Post by texaspat on Oct 26, 2017 12:30:27 GMT -5
Interesting point. But the past couple of weeks, it seems that Malcolm has gotten his mojo back, and is playing very well. I don't think he's going to be traded. As for the Chiefs trading Hali to the Patriots, why would they do anything that could help one of the two teams (Steelers are the other) in the AFC that could prevent them from reaching the SB? As for those Atlanta LBs that you mentioned, I'd rather have Malcolm... especially with Rowe gone for the season. CBs are like pitchers in baseball. You can never have enough good ones. Has that been announced...last I remember was out indefinitely. I read he'd be out anywhere from 4-14 weeks with a torn groin. OUCH! That even sounds painful! I can't see a CB being able to perform well enough to play after suffering such an injury...unless he's 100% healed. The Patriots would be foolish to rush him back. |
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Post by rkarp on Oct 26, 2017 12:33:15 GMT -5
I think the tell with Rowe is that he has not had surgery. If it is a tear from the bone, he would need surgery and is done for the year. If it is a tear, but still attached to the bone, it is most likely 3-6 weeks total, of which he has already missed what, 2 weeks? I think he is back, and maybe after the bye week
similar to Hightower. If torn away from the bone, he is done for the year. If torn, but still attached to the bone, he may be looking at a couple of weeks and playing with a brace
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