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Post by somar on Oct 27, 2017 7:47:04 GMT -5
my take on the play
QB decides to run the ball, he should expect to get hit. Flacco needs to be smarter and either learn to protect himself if he want's to extend plays or just avoid getting into that situation and go down sooner.
That said, Flacco's actions cannot be seen as an excuse for what Alonzo did.
Bad hit, straight for the head, and Alonzo had enough time to adjust and avoid it (not saying he could've avoided the contact, just the way it happened)
This are hits that can seriously hurt a player and even end careers.
I like a hard hit as much as anyone, but not when they go for the cheap headshot. (I had no issues with the hit Thomas laid on Gronk last season, and while Gronk was badly hurt i see it as a good hit)
There are plenty ways to hit a guy legally, and in a way that makes him think twice next time, without risking serious brain damage.
Guys that do what Alonzo did, need to understand that at some point a line was crossed and the league needs to ensure they do by taking action.
If this head targeting goes on without impunity, it's just a matter of time until something really bad happens and then everyone will throw blame and shame that something wasnt done sooner to prevent it.
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Post by mrmojo112058 on Oct 27, 2017 9:25:33 GMT -5
When the Dolphins don't play well,they play dirty.
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 27, 2017 9:51:18 GMT -5
Alonso needs to be suspended, and league needs to tweek its rules, and needs to warn Miami that type of crap wont be tolerated.
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Post by fanonymous on Oct 28, 2017 9:23:20 GMT -5
I think the league should eliminate the give-yourself-up slide option - at least when the ball carrier has passed the line of scrimmage.
No matter the player, if you are attempting to advance the ball to benefit your team, then you should be prepared to be tackled - plain and simple.
There are already clearly defined tackling limits that when exceeded can and should result in personal foul penalties, ejections and suspensions - and specific roughing-the-passer stipulations as well. Running quarterbacks that are essentially functioning as running backs when they take that action should not be granted any special privileges.
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Post by Shelly on Oct 28, 2017 9:50:43 GMT -5
I think the league should eliminate the give-yourself-up slide option - at least when the ball carrier has passed the line of scrimmage. No matter the player, if you are attempting to advance the ball to benefit your team, then you should be prepared to be tackled - plain and simple. There are already clearly defined tackling limits that when exceeded can and should result in personal foul penalties, ejections and suspensions - and specific roughing-the-passer stipulations as well. Running quarterbacks that are essentially functioning as running backs when they take that action should not be granted any special privileges. I fully agree with what you say. I think the giving yourself up bit is ridiculous. That said, there should be a way for any player to go to the ground with enough time for defenders to be able to avoid hitting him, and just touch him while he is on the ground. So, if a QB wants to run, he should be able to go the ground earlier and be safe from a blasting hit. Otherwise, he is just another running back as you pointed out.
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Post by salcon on Oct 28, 2017 11:55:21 GMT -5
I think the league should eliminate the give-yourself-up slide option - at least when the ball carrier has passed the line of scrimmage. No matter the player, if you are attempting to advance the ball to benefit your team, then you should be prepared to be tackled - plain and simple. There are already clearly defined tackling limits that when exceeded can and should result in personal foul penalties, ejections and suspensions - and specific roughing-the-passer stipulations as well. Running quarterbacks that are essentially functioning as running backs when they take that action should not be granted any special privileges. I fully agree with what you say. I think the giving yourself up bit is ridiculous. That said, there should be a way for any player to go to the ground with enough time for defenders to be able to avoid hitting him, and just touch him while he is on the ground. So, if a QB wants to run, he should be able to go the ground earlier and be safe from a blasting hit. Otherwise, he is just another running back as you pointed out. That's right, some QB's go into their slide at the last possible moment just as they are about to get creamed and expect the defender who is in the action of going for the tackle to pull up at the last possible second while going full speed. Most of the time Brady goes into his slide early even if it looks like he could have gained an extra yard or two. Self preservation. Brady is intelligent enough to know that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 15:06:23 GMT -5
The issue with this incident is that it is only an issue because Flacco got hit flush on the head, had he been hit on the shoulder/body no one would have been calling for Kiko Alonso to be thrown out of the game or suspended. Now that is not me trying to justify the defenders actions because I personally felt that he lowered his shoulder into the hit to make sure Flacco stayed down, but I don't think Kiko Alonso was aiming for Joe Flacco's head, I suspect he was aiming for the shoulder/body but at that speed it is extremely difficult to judge when a player has slid late and is still moving at the time they collide. So while it was definitely a flag worthy hit, I am not sure it was an ejection/suspension worthy hit unless you can prove there was intent to cause harm to Joe Flacco, unless we are now going to start to eject/suspend players for bad/poorly judged hits whether there was intent or not.
I'm just watching back the video now and Flacco starts to go down at the 14-yard line while Alonso is at the 9-yard line. Was there enough time for Alonso to pull out of that hit upon seeing Flacco start the sliding process? At full speed I have my doubts that someone can stop on a dime. Perhaps you can adjust and not lower the shoulder into the hit, but even that's hard to do at the speed these guys are going. Plus like I said originally, if Alonso hits Flacco in the shoulder/body area there wouldn't be any uproar, but because Flacco gets hit flush on the head there is controversy over the hit. So unfortunately it is one of those situations in which a defender hits one part of the body and causes injury, when they were likely aiming for another part - it happens in football at high speed.
Now I don't want to blame Flacco here but he was going for that ten yard play and at about the 15-yard line I think it becomes apparent that he's not going to make it and he slides late. If that was Brady, I think he would have started to slide and protect himself a couple of yards before Flacco did, and that's not because Brady is soft, rather it is because he's aware that he isn't going to make it and needs to protect himself accordingly. Plus let's take in the state of the game, the Ravens were 13-0 up with over three minutes left in the first half. There was no need to get the down, he could have gone down early and let Tucker kick the field goal and they would be 16-0 up against a team playing poorly. Had the Ravens been down 13-0, I could understand why he would want to get the ten yards and a new set of downs, but they were leading and dominating, so all he ended up doing was going foolhardily into a potentially dangerous situation when there was no need to go for it. Like I said I don't want to sound like I am blaming him, but he should know better by the tenth season in his career.
For me, I think this was simply a case of both players wanting to make a big play for their team. Perhaps something will be changed rules wise to protect these players when they slide, but I think in this situation Flacco didn't do himself any favors by sliding as late as he did, and in sliding late it makes the defenders job of pulling out and adjusting the hit very difficult if not impossible.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Oct 28, 2017 23:17:01 GMT -5
The issue with this incident is that it is only an issue because Flacco got hit flush on the head, had he been hit on the shoulder/body no one would have been calling for Kiko Alonso to be thrown out of the game or suspended. Now that is not me trying to justify the defenders actions because I personally felt that he lowered his shoulder into the hit to make sure Flacco stayed down, but I don't think Kiko Alonso was aiming for Joe Flacco's head, I suspect he was aiming for the shoulder/body but at that speed it is extremely difficult to judge when a player has slid late and is still moving at the time they collide. So while it was definitely a flag worthy hit, I am not sure it was an ejection/suspension worthy hit unless you can prove there was intent to cause harm to Joe Flacco, unless we are now going to start to eject/suspend players for bad/poorly judged hits whether there was intent or not. So he had time to decide to plant his shoulder to try to hit Flacco on the body, but he did not have time to decide to not plant his shoulder? I do not buy the "it happened too fast" excuse. He knew Flacco was going down. He had thrown his body when he saw Flacco go down - yes. He had a moment there to decide to just go over, and Flacco was going to be down by contact. At that moment he decided to lower his shoulder for a big hit. That was what the 15 yards should have been for. It was a reckless play at least. The reckless play caused a concussion - the very thing that the NFL is trying to protect their players from (at least they say) that took Flacco out of the game and possibly the next. Alonso deserves to be penalized for more than just the 15 yards.
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Post by agcsbill on Oct 29, 2017 7:36:48 GMT -5
I think the league should eliminate the give-yourself-up slide option - at least when the ball carrier has passed the line of scrimmage. No matter the player, if you are attempting to advance the ball to benefit your team, then you should be prepared to be tackled - plain and simple. There are already clearly defined tackling limits that when exceeded can and should result in personal foul penalties, ejections and suspensions - and specific roughing-the-passer stipulations as well. Running quarterbacks that are essentially functioning as running backs when they take that action should not be granted any special privileges. I fully agree with what you say. I think the giving yourself up bit is ridiculous. That said, there should be a way for any player to go to the ground with enough time for defenders to be able to avoid hitting him, and just touch him while he is on the ground. So, if a QB wants to run, he should be able to go the ground earlier and be safe from a blasting hit. Otherwise, he is just another running back as you pointed out. Judgement for such a call can be so subjective even if there is a specific rule like the two step rule for hitting the QB in the pocket. The timing of when Flacco began his slide is much discussed and reviewed a lot here and on various sports shows. Many argue he started his slide too late for the defender to adjust his "aim" as Flacco was sliding. If the defender was aiming for Flacco's mid-section and Flacco's slide continue to propel him forward, that aiming point goes higher. Can the defender adjust in mid-fall his lading point? Like a running back about to be tackled and you see the defender aiming for the midsection, but, the runner goes low and they hit helmet to helmet. Who's fault there? Regardless, just another example of how the league is softening up things to make it safer. Can't wait for Touch NFL!!
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