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Post by Brady2Welker47 on Oct 29, 2017 1:30:09 GMT -5
I like It!!! Too bad they signed Gilmore...gonna be tough unless they Franchise Tag him...but that means Jimmy can't be Franchise tagged....thoughts...
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 29, 2017 3:17:24 GMT -5
Everyone here would like to see Butler remain. We may differ on our opinion of him but none of us dislike the guy. I wonder how they can make it work though.
Not sure why people are giving up on Gilmore though. We used him in one game man to man and he played quite well. Let's wait a little longer. We might be very glad they signed him.
I would have been quite content had they secured both Ryan and Butler. It takes two to tango though. I think Butler wanted (wants?) Elite money but he isn't an elite corner. He's a notch below that…which should not be construed as me not liking the guy because I do. I like him a lot.
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Post by getdrunkstupit on Oct 29, 2017 6:06:22 GMT -5
this just tells me he's headed to the saints
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Post by ATJ on Oct 29, 2017 6:09:54 GMT -5
Everyone here would like to see Butler remain. We may differ on our opinion of him but none of us dislike the guy. I wonder how they can make it work though. Not sure why people are giving up on Gilmore though. We used him in one game man to man and he played quite well. Let's wait a little longer. We might be very glad they signed him. I would have been quite content had they secured both Ryan and Butler. It takes two to tango though. I think Butler wanted (wants?) Elite money but he isn't an elite corner. He's a notch below that…which should not be construed as me not liking the guy because I do. I like him a lot. Much too early to give up on Gilmore. A Butler extension would be great. Don't think it will happen though unless he's tempered his salary expectations.
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Post by mthurl on Oct 29, 2017 6:54:30 GMT -5
this just tells me he's headed to the saints Or somewhere else. Haha. Seriously though, it's no secret they wanted to extend him, couldn't, signed someone else, and now are trying to play nice in case they trade him. You can't tell other teams...yeah we can't resign him, give us a first round pick. Not going to happen. All I've heard over the last few days is that this guy may be on the move before Wednesday. I like him, wish they had given him a decent contract, but now they are stuck with Gilmore. And I don't necessarily know if that's a total loss yet, he did play well against Tampa so we'll see. But trading him now would seriously hurt, how can they do that? Rowe is out, Gilmore is woozy in the head (even before the concussion), Hightower is gone, they are already thin up front, Brown is out with an ankle. Pretty bare.
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Post by patslifer on Oct 29, 2017 7:10:57 GMT -5
trying to play nice in case they trade him. You can't tell other teams...yeah we can't resign him, give us a first round pick. Not going to happen. I can't see how the Pats would want to or could trade Butler at this point. It's not like our secondary has been lighting it up, and Butler at least over the last 2-3 games has been the standout amongst that group. I think that trading Butler away now would be a serious hit to our secondary and overall chances...especially with other defenders dropping like flies. On the other side, I also don't see how they make the money work on Butler extension. Between Gilmore and McCourty, that is a lot of money tied up in the secondary. There are also other guys who we will want to extend shortly like Flowers who is going to demand good money. I'd like to see it get done, just not sure how they do it. Does anyone really believe Butler could be trade bait at the moment?
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Post by Brady2Welker47 on Oct 29, 2017 7:17:54 GMT -5
Gilmore was described to me by a hard core Bills fan as taking off plays during each game. Good player but loses focus and gets toasted 1 or 2 every game...sure enough I have seen this. Give me Butler over Gilmore any day.
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Post by muzwell on Oct 29, 2017 7:20:38 GMT -5
Gilmore was described to me by a hard core Bills fan as taking off plays during each game. Good player but loses focus and gets toasted 1 or 2 every game...sure enough I have seen this. Give me Butler over Gilmore any day. Well, unfortunately that's not one of the choices. It's Gilmore and Butler or it's just Gilmore. That's it.
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Post by mthurl on Oct 29, 2017 7:27:06 GMT -5
trying to play nice in case they trade him. You can't tell other teams...yeah we can't resign him, give us a first round pick. Not going to happen. I can't see how the Pats would want to or could trade Butler at this point. It's not like our secondary has been lighting it up, and Butler at least over the last 2-3 games has been the standout amongst that group. I think that trading Butler away now would be a serious hit to our secondary and overall chances...especially with other defenders dropping like flies. On the other side, I also don't see how they make the money work on Butler extension. Between Gilmore and McCourty, that is a lot of money tied up in the secondary. There are also other guys who we will want to extend shortly like Flowers who is going to demand good money. I'd like to see it get done, just not sure how they do it. Does anyone really believe Butler could be trade bait at the moment? I can't see it either, but this isn't the type of team or coach that likes having good players leave for nothing in return. So let's say they trade him for a corner and a draft pick? Now obviously the corner won't/can't be at Butler's level, but he could be "serviceable". Belichick made Troy Brown and Edelman "serviceable" corners for a few games. Got to think he'd make a roll playing corner good enough if Rowe came back, Gilmore took his head out of his ass and the kid they got from Detroit kept it up. Plus they are paying a corner on the practice squad as if he's on the roster...forget his name but they must be reasonably high on him. And let's say they traded him for a starter in the front seven instead, how would that be? Yeah I don't think it'll happen but stranger things have certainly been done by Belichick.
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Post by agcsbill on Oct 29, 2017 7:41:36 GMT -5
I can't see how the Pats would want to or could trade Butler at this point. It's not like our secondary has been lighting it up, and Butler at least over the last 2-3 games has been the standout amongst that group. I think that trading Butler away now would be a serious hit to our secondary and overall chances...especially with other defenders dropping like flies. On the other side, I also don't see how they make the money work on Butler extension. Between Gilmore and McCourty, that is a lot of money tied up in the secondary. There are also other guys who we will want to extend shortly like Flowers who is going to demand good money. I'd like to see it get done, just not sure how they do it. Does anyone really believe Butler could be trade bait at the moment? I can't see it either, but this isn't the type of team or coach that likes having good players leave for nothing in return. So let's say they trade him for a corner and a draft pick? Now obviously the corner won't/can't be at Butler's level, but he could be "serviceable". Belichick made Troy Brown and Edelman "serviceable" corners for a few games. Got to think he'd make a roll playing corner good enough if Rowe came back, Gilmore took his head out of his ass and the kid they got from Detroit kept it up. Plus they are paying a corner on the practice squad as if he's on the roster...forget his name but they must be reasonably high on him. And let's say they traded him for a starter in the front seven instead, how would that be? Yeah I don't think it'll happen but stranger things have certainly been done by Belichick.Hey, we all KNOW that!!!!
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Post by patslifer on Oct 29, 2017 7:57:04 GMT -5
Plus they are paying a corner on the practice squad as if he's on the roster...forget his name but they must be reasonably high on him. And let's say they traded him for a starter in the front seven instead, how would that be? I think the CB on the PS you mention is named Ryan Lewis. Lets just say Butler does get traded for a front 7 player...that is an even swap roster wise, but then the Pats would have to promote Lewis to the active roster to fill the secondary spot. So, someone else would have to go. Unless the traded for front 7 player takes Hightower's spot, then it would even out. I haven't seen Hightower placed on IR yet.. Lewis is an interesting prospect. 6'0", 200lbs, runs a 4.37 forty, 6.82 3-cone, 10'8" broad jump. He's incredibly fast and explosive but lacks the experience obviously. Maybe they think the kid is ready to serve as that 5th CB and play sparingly. That leaves Gilmore, Rowe, Jones and Bademosi ahead of him. Is that enough to get the job done? Maybe if you also consider who plays at safety and how they use McCourty. It could work. Who would that front 7 player be that the Pats would trade for?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 7:58:35 GMT -5
Does the Cap go up next year you think?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 8:01:38 GMT -5
Plus they are paying a corner on the practice squad as if he's on the roster...forget his name but they must be reasonably high on him. And let's say they traded him for a starter in the front seven instead, how would that be? I think the CB on the PS you mention is named Ryan Lewis. Lets just say Butler does get traded for a front 7 player...that is an even swap roster wise, but then the Pats would have to promote Lewis to the active roster to fill the secondary spot. So, someone else would have to go. Unless the traded for front 7 player takes Hightower's spot, then it would even out. I haven't seen Hightower placed on IR yet.. Lewis is an interesting prospect. 6'0", 200lbs, runs a 4.37 forty, 6.82 3-cone, 10'8" broad jump. He's incredibly fast and explosive but lacks the experience obviously. Maybe they think the kid is ready to serve as that 5th CB and play sparingly. That leaves Gilmore, Rowe, Jones and Bademosi ahead of him. Is that enough to get the job done? Maybe if you also consider who plays at safety and how they use McCourty. It could work. Who would that front 7 player be that the Pats would trade for? Pats are paying him a Rookie salary too each week, (that's a real big increase), not even PS money or a bump in it. They must really like him.
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Post by muzwell on Oct 29, 2017 8:07:52 GMT -5
Does the Cap go up next year you think? It's gone up about $10 to $12 mil per year for the past several years, so most likely it will.
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Post by patslifer on Oct 29, 2017 8:10:22 GMT -5
The Pats have been players during the trade deadline for the past 5 years. All players they have dealt for over the past 5 years have all been defensive players.
I'd be surprised if an offensive player/skill player would be added..like Ebron for example.
With the recent injuries to Brown, Hightower and with Guy banged up and Valentine unlikely to return, they may be targeting a DT via trade. Think Hicks. Maybe wishful thinking. They worked one out the other day as well.
I could see a DT added to this roster. Would that include a Butler trade for a DT, or simply a pick for a DT? We will see.
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Post by muzwell on Oct 29, 2017 8:20:58 GMT -5
They aren't trading Butler.
As for extending him, is there some news in that regard to talk about? Something someone said recently? We know they want to sign him, they already tried to. He also said he wanted to stay. It didn't work out because he wanted more than they were willing to pay.
Sounds like the Herald is just repeating old news. Unless there's some indication he's willing to take less than he wanted before, he's still gone at the end of this season. I don't see where anything has changed. They aren't paying two guys top of the CB market money.
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Post by texaspat on Oct 29, 2017 9:10:37 GMT -5
There's no news here. The Patriots love Malcolm, and have always wanted to extend him. But, at their price, and not the asking price of Butler's agent.
With Malcolm, it was never anything personal. It was strictly business. Now that Malcolm is playing again up to form, I'd like to see a deal get done. But, at a reasonable price.
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Post by getdrunkstupit on Oct 29, 2017 10:07:54 GMT -5
I think losing butler will be the biggest loss of a player ever. dude is able to use his hands. you'd think it's a gimme talent for a cb. but we haven't seen anyone else knock a ball away like he does. Rodney Harrison lost us a superbowl cuz he couldn't use his hands.
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 29, 2017 11:21:49 GMT -5
I like It!!! Too bad they signed Gilmore...gonna be tough unless they Franchise Tag him...but that means Jimmy can't be Franchise tagged....thoughts... Jimmy don't deserve the tag.
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 29, 2017 11:22:56 GMT -5
Butler's been playing good the past few games, after his little funk he had. They need to pay him.
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Post by texaspat on Oct 29, 2017 11:26:21 GMT -5
I think losing butler will be the biggest loss of a player ever. dude is able to use his hands. you'd think it's a gimme talent for a cb. but we haven't seen anyone else knock a ball away like he does. Rodney Harrison lost us a superbowl cuz he couldn't use his hands. Oh please! How did Rodney Harrison cost the Patriots a SB? Are you referring to that lucky catch by Tyree? The horrific play of the OL was the main reason for that loss.
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Post by kjfitone on Oct 29, 2017 11:29:32 GMT -5
Gilmore was described to me by a hard core Bills fan as taking off plays during each game. Good player but loses focus and gets toasted 1 or 2 every game...sure enough I have seen this. Give me Butler over Gilmore any day. That's pretty much what I'd heard too. If I'm not mistaken he's had his share of missed time from injuries. I wish they.had just signed Butler , he's a better and more dependable player imo. It will be great if they can work out a deal with Butler. Looks like they're stuck with Gilmore though.
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 29, 2017 11:35:18 GMT -5
Butler's been playing good the past few games, after his little funk he had. They need to pay him. I dunno. I think he's been a mixed bag. He isn't fully back to form yet. He's on his way but not there yet.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Oct 29, 2017 11:35:54 GMT -5
Plus they are paying a corner on the practice squad as if he's on the roster...forget his name but they must be reasonably high on him. And let's say they traded him for a starter in the front seven instead, how would that be? Lewis is an interesting prospect. 6'0", 200lbs, runs a 4.37 forty, 6.82 3-cone, 10'8" broad jump. He's incredibly fast and explosive but lacks the experience obviously. Maybe they think the kid is ready to serve as that 5th CB and play sparingly. That leaves Gilmore, Rowe, Jones and Bademosi ahead of him. Is that enough to get the job done? Maybe if you also consider who plays at safety and how they use McCourty. It could work. Until I see him working well within the Pats system, those measurables mean nothing, just as Gilmore's track record in with the Bills teams and measurables mean nothing. Butler has qualities that cannot be measured. He is a fighter. He is scrappy. I do not see him give up on any play. I will take that any day. I really hope they can make this work.
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 29, 2017 11:37:41 GMT -5
Gilmore was described to me by a hard core Bills fan as taking off plays during each game. Good player but loses focus and gets toasted 1 or 2 every game...sure enough I have seen this. Give me Butler over Gilmore any day. That's pretty much what I'd heard too. If I'm not mistaken he's had his share of missed time from injuries. I wish they.had just signed Butler , he's a better and more dependable player imo. It will be great if they can work out a deal with Butler. Looks like they're stuck with Gilmore though. There is a lot to be said about durability and Butler has that going for him. Gilmore must have gotten his head rung pretty damned good. Any concussion that makes you miss a few weeks is serious.
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