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Post by luvthosepats on Oct 29, 2017 11:45:43 GMT -5
Signing Gilmore was a blunder. Look at all the headaches it has caused, and for what?? Nothing!
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getdrunkstupit
3rd String but playing on Special Teams
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Post by getdrunkstupit on Oct 29, 2017 12:33:26 GMT -5
I think losing butler will be the biggest loss of a player ever. dude is able to use his hands. you'd think it's a gimme talent for a cb. but we haven't seen anyone else knock a ball away like he does. Rodney Harrison lost us a superbowl cuz he couldn't use his hands. Oh please! How did Rodney Harrison cost the Patriots a SB? Are you referring to that lucky catch by Tyree? The horrific play of the OL was the main reason for that loss. helped him catch that ball
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Oct 29, 2017 13:32:25 GMT -5
I think losing butler will be the biggest loss of a player ever. dude is able to use his hands. you'd think it's a gimme talent for a cb. but we haven't seen anyone else knock a ball away like he does. Rodney Harrison lost us a superbowl cuz he couldn't use his hands. Oh please! How did Rodney Harrison cost the Patriots a SB? Are you referring to that lucky catch by Tyree? The horrific play of the OL was the main reason for that loss. No it wasn't. It was the defense that could not hold a lead to win the SB. remember that, it happened twice against the jints
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Post by wonderdrums on Oct 29, 2017 15:24:09 GMT -5
Gilmore was described to me by a hard core Bills fan as taking off plays during each game. Good player but loses focus and gets toasted 1 or 2 every game...sure enough I have seen this. Give me Butler over Gilmore any day. Well, unfortunately that's not one of the choices. It's Gilmore and Butler or it's just Gilmore. That's it. We don’t know that. The Pats could trade Butler and Gilmore. You can never predict what NE is going to do. It’s always an adventure with BB. Haha
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 29, 2017 15:29:08 GMT -5
Oh please! How did Rodney Harrison cost the Patriots a SB? Are you referring to that lucky catch by Tyree? The horrific play of the OL was the main reason for that loss. No it wasn't. It was the defense that could not hold a lead to win the SB. remember that, it happened twice against the jints Regarding the 2007 SB, every time this is mentioned it should also be mentioned that the "go ahead" TD by the offense was only the 2nd freaking TD of the game. Somehow we absolve the offense of all responsibility because they finally scored for the 2nd time all game to go ahead. I saw an offense that stubbornly kept throwing deep to Moss despite Brady not nearly having the time to do so. I even saw a GOAT coach go for it on 4th and 13 within likely FG range.
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Post by muzwell on Oct 29, 2017 15:36:46 GMT -5
Well, unfortunately that's not one of the choices. It's Gilmore and Butler or it's just Gilmore. That's it. We don’t know that. The Pats could trade Butler and Gilmore. You can never predict what NE is going to do. It’s always an adventure with BB. Haha No, they literally can't trade Gilmore now. They don't have enough cap space. Butler, yes. Gilmore, no. If they trade Gilmore this offseason, it would cost them $23 million in dead money. There's no chance of that. I will say once again, he's a Patriot for the foreseeable future. Only way to trade Butler this offsesaon is if they franchise him. That's at least possible.
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Post by croc on Oct 29, 2017 16:10:15 GMT -5
Gilmore has what amounts to a two year deal. He played well in 2 games sucked in 2. It's not like he's Panda 2.0. Good chance he actually contributes.
Of course they can sign Butler. I don't think they tag him. He's on the books for the high tender this year regardless. Signing means extending.
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 29, 2017 16:10:58 GMT -5
We don’t know that. The Pats could trade Butler and Gilmore. You can never predict what NE is going to do. It’s always an adventure with BB. Haha No, they literally can't trade Gilmore now. They don't have enough cap space. Butler, yes. Gilmore, no. If they trade Gilmore this offseason, it would cost them $23 million in dead money. There's no chance of that. I will say once again, he's a Patriot for the foreseeable future. Only way to trade Butler this offsesaon is if they franchise him. That's at least possible. If they trade a player the other team picks up their contract unless some sort of restructure is part of the deal. Why would their be $23 in dead money? Is it related to his signing bonus being prorated? That seems rather high.
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Post by muzwell on Oct 29, 2017 16:40:36 GMT -5
No, they literally can't trade Gilmore now. They don't have enough cap space. Butler, yes. Gilmore, no. If they trade Gilmore this offseason, it would cost them $23 million in dead money. There's no chance of that. I will say once again, he's a Patriot for the foreseeable future. Only way to trade Butler this offsesaon is if they franchise him. That's at least possible. If they trade a player the other team picks up their contract unless some sort of restructure is part of the deal. Why would their be $23 in dead money? Is it related to his signing bonus being prorated? That seems rather high. I don't know, there just is... www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/stephon-gilmore-9820/
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Post by muzwell on Oct 29, 2017 16:49:24 GMT -5
Gilmore has what amounts to a two year deal. He played well in 2 games sucked in 2. It's not like he's Panda 2.0. Good chance he actually contributes. Of course they can sign Butler. I don't think they tag him. He's on the books for the high tender this year regardless. Signing means extending. Realistically the out is in 2020 when his cap hit is $14 and the dead money is $7. Before then it's either very close or upside down. Folks just gotta relax and hope he gets it together. Otherwise it's just a big, fat waste of cap space.
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Post by Shelly on Oct 29, 2017 16:56:07 GMT -5
Signing Gilmore was a blunder. Look at all the headaches it has caused, and for what?? Nothing! Yeah, including the one between his ears that caused to be inactive for so long.
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Post by patslifer on Oct 29, 2017 17:47:24 GMT -5
Lewis is an interesting prospect. 6'0", 200lbs, runs a 4.37 forty, 6.82 3-cone, 10'8" broad jump. He's incredibly fast and explosive but lacks the experience obviously. Maybe they think the kid is ready to serve as that 5th CB and play sparingly. That leaves Gilmore, Rowe, Jones and Bademosi ahead of him. Is that enough to get the job done? Maybe if you also consider who plays at safety and how they use McCourty. It could work. Until I see him working well within the Pats system, those measurables mean nothing, just as Gilmore's track record in with the Bills teams and measurables mean nothing. Butler has qualities that cannot be measured. He is a fighter. He is scrappy. I do not see him give up on any play. I will take that any day. I really hope they can make this work. Yeah I am with you. I was simply stating his athleticism, not his ability to play nor fit in the system.
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Post by quagmire3 on Oct 29, 2017 23:15:19 GMT -5
Hey, Buffalo was able to dump Marcel Dareus and his monster contract, maybe BB is able to eat some $ and dump Gilmore? Trade him and a 6th for a 7th.
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Post by carawaydj on Oct 30, 2017 3:08:31 GMT -5
I predict everyone dumping on Gilmore will look silly when all is said and done. I want him back on the field ASAP. Bademosi got picked on in the 2nd half and that tape is now out there. We need Gilmore. We also need to do what we did for Revis and play him man to man. And why wouldn't we? Why the hell would you pay big bucks to bring in a man to man corner and play him zone? Those corners don't cost as much.
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