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Post by prolate0spheroid on Apr 27, 2016 6:07:43 GMT -5
Do you think Kraft handled Deflategate well? I personally think he botched the crisis management, not by fighting too little but by not accepting responsibility to ensure safeguards were in place to prevent future scandals. I don't think he had to admit to any wrongdoing, but I think he would have been better off acknowledging that, whether anything untoward happened or not, it was his responsibility to ensure that there would not be even the appearance of wrongdoing in the future. After Spygate, the team's reputation was muddied, and it was up to the Chief Executive to try to restore the public's faith in the organization after a second scandal was alleged. Kraft's passive-aggressive approach did not do that and has discredited his own leadership skills, hurt his reputation and relationships with his fellow owners, and left the team's reputation worse than it was before.
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Post by patseng on Apr 27, 2016 7:03:34 GMT -5
Nope, he didn't fight hard enough for the league to clear up misinformation that spread like wildfire and made people without any high school scientific education to believe it actually happened. I mean misinformation was reported and not cleared up for 8 months? and that info is used by people as proof to say they cheated, even though it was already fully admitted by the league that the reports, that were never corrected early by the league, were in fact false. Then there was no fact finding investigation to determine where the faulty info came from but they spend millions on a report that everyone in the scientific community from noble prize winners down to a 7th grade kid have proven to be false (that people still say is proof)? Not to mention the glancing over of actual hard evidence (such as a txt saying Brady preferred the balls to be 13psi) to focus on circumstantial evidence taken out of context (deflator name mentioned once though the league seems to think he used it multiple times). If nothing else Kraft at the bare minimum should have been fighting the misinformation, we now know to be completely false that the league never corrected, out there that people used to justify a lack of a basic education in science.
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Post by quagmire3 on Apr 27, 2016 7:15:02 GMT -5
Kraft was cowardly throughout, afraid of a good fight, even though it was a fight that had to be fought!
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Post by belestrator on Apr 27, 2016 7:29:02 GMT -5
I would feel better about Kraft if he bankrolled TFB12's appeal(s).
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Post by jri37 on Apr 27, 2016 7:48:43 GMT -5
The Krafty one needs to show the guy that played a big part of in helping him build Patriot Place some allegiance. I understand that NFL is a business and that the 31 owners and Kraft are greedy scumbags but the GQBOAT deserves a much more loyalty than Kraft has given him to date. I know it may be asking for a lot but Kraft needs to show some integrity ASAP if he has a shred.
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Post by tanbass on Apr 27, 2016 8:00:24 GMT -5
I see another lame speech trying to win public opinion coming from him that accomplishes absolutely nothing!!
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Post by donotsleeponthepats on Apr 27, 2016 8:07:34 GMT -5
At the beginning, Kraft handled it well by demanding an apology from the league if the investigation showed no wrong doing. I wonder now if him demanding an apology forced Goodell to have the Wells Report set up as a frame job. Since the Wells Report was released, Kraft hasn't done anything right. He let his pal Roger bend him over a barrel and show him the 50 states (Horrible Bosses reference) and let Brady get raked through the coals. I appreciate the website showing the Wells Report in context and the statement that he never should have put his trust in the league but those were too little and too late. Kraft should have done his own independent air pressure measuring this season or at least forced the league to share their results. The NFL is the big bad bully and Kraft is the nerd getting wedgies and his lunch money stolen throughout this mess. I've been back and forth on my feelings about Kraft and at this point, I'm just indifferent to him. Krafty Bob is the perfect nickname for him. He only cares about his money which is why the worst commissioner in sports history runs the NFL right now.
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Post by agcsbill on Apr 27, 2016 8:34:22 GMT -5
Nope, he caved way to early even before any "investigation" could be completed. He effectively did not believe the team did nothing by accepting the punishments and was looking out for his own butt within this closed fraternity of NFL owners. 1 against 31 is tough odds to buck.
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Post by pezz4pats on Apr 27, 2016 8:49:51 GMT -5
Do you think Kraft handled Deflategate well? I personally think he botched the crisis management, not by fighting too little but by not accepting responsibility to ensure safeguards were in place to prevent future scandals. I don't think he had to admit to any wrongdoing, but I think he would have been better off acknowledging that, whether anything untoward happened or not, it was his responsibility to ensure that there would not be even the appearance of wrongdoing in the future. After Spygate, the team's reputation was muddied, and it was up to the Chief Executive to try to restore the public's faith in the organization after a second scandal was alleged. Kraft's passive-aggressive approach did not do that and has discredited his own leadership skills, hurt his reputation and relationships with his fellow owners, and left the team's reputation worse than it was before. Accepted what? Nothing happened. The only thing he could have done to safeguard this would be to move the team to CA and stop winning so much.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 27, 2016 9:11:18 GMT -5
I think most if not all of the posters are looking at this situation from a Pats and TB perspective, which is understandable. But Kraft does have 31 other partners, and TB is not one of them. Kraft made the prudent and most likely the only move he had...which I thought was the right move. Unfortunately it hurt his team. But the motto in the NFL for the owners is not "Not For Long". Thats for the players. For the owners, its "live to fight another day". That is what Kraft is doing
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Post by stinkman on Apr 27, 2016 9:14:55 GMT -5
Nope, he caved way to early even before any "investigation" could be completed. He effectively did not believe the team did nothing by accepting the punishments and was looking out for his own butt within this closed fraternity of NFL owners. 1 against 31 is tough odds to buck. He wanted to be friends more with the Mara's and Jerry Jones, Arthur Blank. That was more vital to him , then standing up like a man for his star QB who has help made Kraft a rich man. I said helped. He is not the only reason but part of it. Of course the old argument behind the scenes thing..........Whatever. I think you have to stand up for what you think is right. It's not about odds, its about defending yourself. He backed down. How he says Brady is like a son to him ,I have no idea why he says that. He has backed him up like a person he didn't even know. Not even going into what BB thinking. So I voted NO he did not do enough.... Sorry Bob Kraft
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Post by irishmob7 on Apr 27, 2016 9:22:57 GMT -5
I don't think he had to admit to any wrongdoing, but I think he would have been better off acknowledging that, whether anything untoward happened or not, it was his responsibility to ensure that there would not be even the appearance of wrongdoing in the future. I agree. He should have defied the law of physics and made the balls not deflate in cold weather. He also should have told McNally that taking a piss is prohibited.
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Post by irishmob7 on Apr 27, 2016 9:29:10 GMT -5
I understand Kraft's options were somewhat limited as it's nearly impossible to sue the league; HOWEVER, when you have spent 20 years building an empire and some corrupt shmuck along with his cronies try to tear down that empire, you do what you have to do to protect your assets. Whether that have been exploring his legal options to sue or leading a public crusade (not just some flimsy website) to expose the league for its corruption.
The fact that he sat there and said he "reluctantly accepts" the fact that his team cheated without any conclusive evidence and simultaneously labeled his number 1 asset and "son" a cheater for life sickens me. It really does. To add insult to injury, this prick was seen hugging Goodell throughout the season and kept reinforcing the tired notion that Goodell is still "doing a great job." That is despicable to me. It really does make me sick.
BTW, this coming from the guy who has always said Kraft is the best owner in sports. Yes, I'm grateful that he's been one of the main reasons I've enjoyed so much of the Pats success but that enjoyment has been forever tainted because of his actions/non-actions.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 27, 2016 9:45:34 GMT -5
Krafts mistake happened long before deflategate by not realizing the dissension in the ranks, the ill will or resentment toward him and that there was a growing majority faction among the owners against him. Apparently he was clueless to exactly what friends he had or didn't have and just how much influence(or how little) he actually held. Goodell is a puppet and although I think he is loathsome, my anger is at the owners and Kraft specifically. It was never more evident then when watching and listening to Jerah play his air fiddle unsympathetically and reference a certain someone making the rounds telling everyone to accept their salary cap penalties for their misgivings during the lockout for the betterment of the league as a whole. His sweet old man act may play well with dumb players but among other sharks they recognize another shark and their egos clash. The other unpleased owners waited for a payback moment and got to take advantage of that situation by doing little more than absolutely nothing and coming across mostly innocent of it all to the average person/fan.
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Post by pezz4pats on Apr 27, 2016 9:47:48 GMT -5
I don't think he had to admit to any wrongdoing, but I think he would have been better off acknowledging that, whether anything untoward happened or not, it was his responsibility to ensure that there would not be even the appearance of wrongdoing in the future. I agree. He should have defied the law of physics and made the balls not deflate in cold weather. He also should have told McNally that taking a piss is prohibited. Right huh? I'm still shaking my head at this Statement. He obviously thinks there's a culture of cheating in NE. It's funny that the pats have taken responsibility for their past blunders (not cheating) and have always been forthcoming, but somehow this denial of any wrong doing means shucking responsibility. A reasonable fan would not have that outlook. If only TB hadn't shunned Obozo and supported his golf buddy. Kraft too. We'd never be in this derelict of duty situation. The shame.
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Post by patseng on Apr 27, 2016 10:16:07 GMT -5
I understand Kraft's options were somewhat limited as it's nearly impossible to sue the league; HOWEVER, when you have spent 20 years building an empire and some corrupt shmuck along with his cronies try to tear down that empire, you do what you have to do to protect your assets. Whether that have been exploring his legal options to sue or leading a public crusade (not just some flimsy website) to expose the league for its corruption. The fact that he sat there and said he "reluctantly accepts" the fact that his team cheated without any conclusive evidence and simultaneously labeled his number 1 asset and "son" a cheater for life sickens me. It really does. To add insult to injury, this prick was seen hugging Goodell throughout the season and kept reinforcing the tired notion that Goodell is still "doing a great job." That is despicable to me. It really does make me sick.BTW, this coming from the guy who has always said Kraft is the best owner in sports. Yes, I'm grateful that he's been one of the main reasons I've enjoyed so much of the Pats success but that enjoyment has been forever tainted because of his actions/non-actions. We don't always agree Irish but that we do agree on. What makes me even more sick is back in his speech when he said it was for the good of the team and the fans to take the penalty. Everyone knows it was against the teams and fans best interest and would be used against us yet again if some other random made up thing came along and yet he dare try to tell us it was for our own good long term? It's like a cop telling you after getting robbed that the crook taking your stuff is in your best interest long term because it's less possessions you have to worry about
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 27, 2016 10:19:22 GMT -5
Hey can one of you guys factually set the record straight for me on something?
I have and continue to hear that there is no urinal in the room that McSnack went into and in contrast that it is a bathroom(so when they say that I assume they mean there is a toilet). What is all the back and forth about? Are A-holes simply playing fast and loose with the semantics of McSnack possibly saying he went to use the urinal but there is only a toilet in there or what is the story?
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Post by Cyberknot on Apr 27, 2016 10:34:36 GMT -5
I understand Kraft's options were somewhat limited as it's nearly impossible to sue the league; HOWEVER, when you have spent 20 years building an empire and some corrupt shmuck along with his cronies try to tear down that empire, you do what you have to do to protect your assets. Whether that have been exploring his legal options to sue or leading a public crusade (not just some flimsy website) to expose the league for its corruption. The fact that he sat there and said he "reluctantly accepts" the fact that his team cheated without any conclusive evidence and simultaneously labeled his number 1 asset and "son" a cheater for life sickens me. It really does. To add insult to injury, this prick was seen hugging Goodell throughout the season and kept reinforcing the tired notion that Goodell is still "doing a great job." That is despicable to me. It really does make me sick. BTW, this coming from the guy who has always said Kraft is the best owner in sports. Yes, I'm grateful that he's been one of the main reasons I've enjoyed so much of the Pats success but that enjoyment has been forever tainted because of his actions/non-actions. +1
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Post by pezz4pats on Apr 27, 2016 10:46:38 GMT -5
I understand Kraft's options were somewhat limited as it's nearly impossible to sue the league; HOWEVER, when you have spent 20 years building an empire and some corrupt shmuck along with his cronies try to tear down that empire, you do what you have to do to protect your assets. Whether that have been exploring his legal options to sue or leading a public crusade (not just some flimsy website) to expose the league for its corruption. The fact that he sat there and said he "reluctantly accepts" the fact that his team cheated without any conclusive evidence and simultaneously labeled his number 1 asset and "son" a cheater for life sickens me. It really does. To add insult to injury, this prick was seen hugging Goodell throughout the season and kept reinforcing the tired notion that Goodell is still "doing a great job." That is despicable to me. It really does make me sick.BTW, this coming from the guy who has always said Kraft is the best owner in sports. Yes, I'm grateful that he's been one of the main reasons I've enjoyed so much of the Pats success but that enjoyment has been forever tainted because of his actions/non-actions. We don't always agree Irish but that we do agree on. What makes me even more sick is back in his speech when he said it was for the good of the team and the fans to take the penalty. Everyone knows it was against the teams and fans best interest and would be used against us yet again if some other random made up thing came along and yet he dare try to tell us it was for our own good long term? It's like a cop telling you after getting robbed that the crook taking your stuff is in your best interest long term because it's less possessions you have to worry about He didn't accept the cheating part. He reluctantly accepted the punishment. There's a huge difference, in fact he denied wrong doing. Look, I understand the disgust. If it were me I would have fought for my team come hell or high water but we are not privy to his legal advice and we were not caught between that rock and hard place, between his team and a league he has an obligation to support, do I take him at his word when he says he was doing what he thought best for the team. Even if it looks like hell right now. The alternatives might have been worse. We just don't know.
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Post by patseng on Apr 27, 2016 11:01:47 GMT -5
We don't always agree Irish but that we do agree on. What makes me even more sick is back in his speech when he said it was for the good of the team and the fans to take the penalty. Everyone knows it was against the teams and fans best interest and would be used against us yet again if some other random made up thing came along and yet he dare try to tell us it was for our own good long term? It's like a cop telling you after getting robbed that the crook taking your stuff is in your best interest long term because it's less possessions you have to worry about He didn't accept the cheating part.He reluctantly accepted the punishment. There's a huge difference, in fact he denied wrong doing. Look, I understand the disgust. If it were me I would have fought for my team come hell or high water but we are not privy to his legal advice and we were not caught between that rock and hard place, between his team and a league he has an obligation to support, do I take him at his word when he says he was doing what he thought best for the team. Even if it looks like hell right now. The alternatives might have been worse. We just don't know. He might as well have. People use Kraft accepting punishment as a sign they did it and Kraft knew. You hear that argument all the time
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Post by morerings on Apr 27, 2016 11:15:23 GMT -5
I understand Kraft's options were somewhat limited as it's nearly impossible to sue the league; HOWEVER, when you have spent 20 years building an empire and some corrupt shmuck along with his cronies try to tear down that empire, you do what you have to do to protect your assets. Whether that have been exploring his legal options to sue or leading a public crusade (not just some flimsy website) to expose the league for its corruption. The fact that he sat there and said he "reluctantly accepts" the fact that his team cheated without any conclusive evidence and simultaneously labeled his number 1 asset and "son" a cheater for life sickens me. It really does. To add insult to injury, this prick was seen hugging Goodell throughout the season and kept reinforcing the tired notion that Goodell is still "doing a great job." That is despicable to me. It really does make me sick. BTW, this coming from the guy who has always said Kraft is the best owner in sports. Yes, I'm grateful that he's been one of the main reasons I've enjoyed so much of the Pats success but that enjoyment has been forever tainted because of his actions/non-actions. Agreed. The fact that he and JK have hugged Douchelle in public after all this just proves he likes his money more than his team. Even Brady came out and said he still respected RG. I would love to see RK get a little nastier and start referring to RG as a liar etc at events.
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Post by pezz4pats on Apr 27, 2016 11:35:48 GMT -5
Eng People are going to think what they want I hear all the time, pats are cheaters. Doesn't make it true. I just think we should put ourselves in his shoes. I find it unreasonable that Kraft who has been a champion of this team for 20 yrs, would do something purposely to hurt the team. Not saying he didn't screw up Supporting Goodell was probably his biggest mistake but under the circumstances, meaning the screws to him no matter what, I think he did the best he could in trying to make peace. This whole thing is disgusting and folks are just angry but Kraft was also a victim and had the most to lose. Just think that should be a consideration.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 27, 2016 12:01:43 GMT -5
Kraft’s fate was sealed years before there was any discussion of deflated footballs. Ballghazi is only the latest instance of an out-of-control, megalomaniacal commissioner with unchecked power and pathological insecurity.
Spygate, Bountygate, Uncapped Year-gate, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Andy Reid and so forth. He picks and chooses based on public opinion and he plays favorites. Arthur Blank can pump in fake crowd noise and Woody can tamper, and yeah we’ll give them a hand slap.
He oversteps his authority on the regular and he’s going to keep doing it because guys like Kraft have enabled him. If he didn’t say anything against what he did to New Orleans or to Dallas and Washington, and to Rice and Peterson, then he’s getting what he deserves when it happens to his team. Each one of those things was a massive overreach of authority and overpunishment.
A coach gets a year off because some of his players tried to hurt other players? Really, what is this, girls’ field hockey? A couple of teams treat an uncapped year like it’s really uncapped? The horrors.
Kraft supported the guy through all of the above, publicly and famously. What goes around…
If he wanted to avoid this sort of thing happening to his team, he’d have stood up for his fellow owners then. He didn’t. Instead he supported the dictator. Told the other owners to suck it up and take it like men. So, it’s no surprise that none of them are going to do a single thing to support him. They never will.
Kraft created this Frankenstein. He shouldn’t be surprised when it turned on him. Evil isn’t loyal. This is how dictatorships operate. Hitler and Stalin both had many of their early supporters, their cronies, killed. Rule with fear. Rationality and common sense are irrelevant to lunatics.
If Kraft made any mistakes, it was years before anyone ever heard of McNally and Jastremski. By that time, it was way too late. A lawsuit wouldn’t have done a single thing to reverse any of it, would have just made it worse.
I blame you, too, by the way. Yeah, you… what did you say when he came down on New Orleans or on Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder? Most of you, anyway. Be honest. You didn’t say a f’kin thing or you thought it was just fine. You didn’t really care. Whatever you think of Ray Rice, he was railroaded, too. If you want to complain about being screwed, then stand up and defend others who got screwed, too.
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Post by stinkman on Apr 27, 2016 12:08:39 GMT -5
Kraft’s fate was sealed years before there was any discussion of deflated footballs. Ballghazi is only the latest instance of an out-of-control, megalomaniacal commissioner with unchecked power and pathological insecurity. Spygate, Bountygate, Uncapped Year-gate, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Andy Reid and so forth. He picks and chooses based on public opinion and he plays favorites. Arthur Blank can pump in fake crowd noise and Woody can tamper, and yeah we’ll give them a hand slap. He oversteps his authority on the regular and he’s going to keep doing it because guys like Kraft have enabled him. If he didn’t say anything against what he did to New Orleans or to Dallas and Washington, and to Rice and Peterson, then he’s getting what he deserves when it happens to his team. Each one of those things was a massive overreach of authority and overpunishment. A coach gets a year off because some of his players tried to hurt other players? Really, what is this, girls’ field hockey? A couple of teams treat an uncapped year like it’s really uncapped? The horrors. Kraft supported the guy through all of the above, publicly and famously. What goes around… If he wanted to avoid this sort of thing happening to his team, he’d have stood up for his fellow owners then. He didn’t. Instead he supported the dictator. Told the other owners to suck it up and take it like men. So, it’s no surprise that none of them are going to do a single thing to support him. They never will. Kraft created this Frankenstein. He shouldn’t be surprised when it turned on him. Evil isn’t loyal. This is how dictatorships operate. Hitler and Stalin both had many of their early supporters, their cronies, killed. Rule with fear. Rationality and common sense are irrelevant to lunatics. If Kraft made any mistakes, it was years before anyone ever heard of McNally and Jastremski. By that time, it was way too late. A lawsuit wouldn’t have done a single thing to reverse any of it, would have just made it worse. I blame you, too, by the way. Yeah, you… what did you say when he came down on New Orleans or on Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder? Most of you, anyway. Be honest. You didn’t say a f’kin thing or you thought it was just fine. You didn’t really care. Whatever you think of Ray Rice, he was railroaded, too. If you want to complain about being screwed, then stand up and defend others who got screwed, too. Welcome a-board Sir. LOL I can only worry about defending patriot players.. I am not a rep or pretend to be one. Plus Ray Rice's actions I thought are on tape. Tom Brady's are not. Not a good defense on my part, but I don't care. Oh well.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 27, 2016 12:09:05 GMT -5
Kraft’s fate was sealed years before there was any discussion of deflated footballs. Ballghazi is only the latest instance of an out-of-control, megalomaniacal commissioner with unchecked power and pathological insecurity. Spygate, Bountygate, Uncapped Year-gate, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Andy Reid and so forth. He picks and chooses based on public opinion and he plays favorites. Arthur Blank can pump in fake crowd noise and Woody can tamper, and yeah we’ll give them a hand slap. He oversteps his authority on the regular and he’s going to keep doing it because guys like Kraft have enabled him. If he didn’t say anything against what he did to New Orleans or to Dallas and Washington, and to Rice and Peterson, then he’s getting what he deserves when it happens to his team. Each one of those things was a massive overreach of authority and overpunishment. A coach gets a year off because some of his players tried to hurt other players? Really, what is this, girls’ field hockey? A couple of teams treat an uncapped year like it’s really uncapped? The horrors. Kraft supported the guy through all of the above, publicly and famously. What goes around… If he wanted to avoid this sort of thing happening to his team, he’d have stood up for his fellow owners then. He didn’t. Instead he supported the dictator. Told the other owners to suck it up and take it like men. So, it’s no surprise that none of them are going to do a single thing to support him. They never will. Kraft created this Frankenstein. He shouldn’t be surprised when it turned on him. Evil isn’t loyal. This is how dictatorships operate. Hitler and Stalin both had many of their early supporters, their cronies, killed. Rule with fear. Rationality and common sense are irrelevant to lunatics. If Kraft made any mistakes, it was years before anyone ever heard of McNally and Jastremski. By that time, it was way too late. A lawsuit wouldn’t have done a single thing to reverse any of it, would have just made it worse. I blame you, too, by the way. Yeah, you… what did you say when he came down on New Orleans or on Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder? Most of you, anyway. Be honest. You didn’t say a f’kin thing or you thought it was just fine. You didn’t really care. Whatever you think of Ray Rice, he was railroaded, too. If you want to complain about being screwed, then stand up and defend others who got screwed, too. MUzzy...well said
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