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Post by jri37 on Apr 27, 2016 12:10:45 GMT -5
Kraft’s fate was sealed years before there was any discussion of deflated footballs. Ballghazi is only the latest instance of an out-of-control, megalomaniacal commissioner with unchecked power and pathological insecurity. Spygate, Bountygate, Uncapped Year-gate, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Andy Reid and so forth. He picks and chooses based on public opinion and he plays favorites. Arthur Blank can pump in fake crowd noise and Woody can tamper, and yeah we’ll give them a hand slap. He oversteps his authority on the regular and he’s going to keep doing it because guys like Kraft have enabled him. If he didn’t say anything against what he did to New Orleans or to Dallas and Washington, and to Rice and Peterson, then he’s getting what he deserves when it happens to his team. Each one of those things was a massive overreach of authority and overpunishment. A coach gets a year off because some of his players tried to hurt other players? Really, what is this, girls’ field hockey? A couple of teams treat an uncapped year like it’s really uncapped? The horrors. Kraft supported the guy through all of the above, publicly and famously. What goes around… If he wanted to avoid this sort of thing happening to his team, he’d have stood up for his fellow owners then. He didn’t. Instead he supported the dictator. Told the other owners to suck it up and take it like men. So, it’s no surprise that none of them are going to do a single thing to support him. They never will. Kraft created this Frankenstein. He shouldn’t be surprised when it turned on him. Evil isn’t loyal. This is how dictatorships operate. Hitler and Stalin both had many of their early supporters, their cronies, killed. Rule with fear. Rationality and common sense are irrelevant to lunatics. If Kraft made any mistakes, it was years before anyone ever heard of McNally and Jastremski. By that time, it was way too late. A lawsuit wouldn’t have done a single thing to reverse any of it, would have just made it worse. I blame you, too, by the way. Yeah, you… what did you say when he came down on New Orleans or on Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder? Most of you, anyway. Be honest. You didn’t say a f’kin thing or you thought it was just fine. You didn’t really care. Whatever you think of Ray Rice, he was railroaded, too. If you want to complain about being screwed, then stand up and defend others who got screwed, too. Glad you decided to join Muzz. Always one of my favorite reads regardless wether I agree or disagree with you. |
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 27, 2016 12:11:27 GMT -5
Kraft’s fate was sealed years before there was any discussion of deflated footballs. Ballghazi is only the latest instance of an out-of-control, megalomaniacal commissioner with unchecked power and pathological insecurity. Spygate, Bountygate, Uncapped Year-gate, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Andy Reid and so forth. He picks and chooses based on public opinion and he plays favorites. Arthur Blank can pump in fake crowd noise and Woody can tamper, and yeah we’ll give them a hand slap. He oversteps his authority on the regular and he’s going to keep doing it because guys like Kraft have enabled him. If he didn’t say anything against what he did to New Orleans or to Dallas and Washington, and to Rice and Peterson, then he’s getting what he deserves when it happens to his team. Each one of those things was a massive overreach of authority and overpunishment. A coach gets a year off because some of his players tried to hurt other players? Really, what is this, girls’ field hockey? A couple of teams treat an uncapped year like it’s really uncapped? The horrors. Kraft supported the guy through all of the above, publicly and famously. What goes around… If he wanted to avoid this sort of thing happening to his team, he’d have stood up for his fellow owners then. He didn’t. Instead he supported the dictator. Told the other owners to suck it up and take it like men. So, it’s no surprise that none of them are going to do a single thing to support him. They never will. Kraft created this Frankenstein. He shouldn’t be surprised when it turned on him. Evil isn’t loyal. This is how dictatorships operate. Hitler and Stalin both had many of their early supporters, their cronies, killed. Rule with fear. Rationality and common sense are irrelevant to lunatics. If Kraft made any mistakes, it was years before anyone ever heard of McNally and Jastremski. By that time, it was way too late. A lawsuit wouldn’t have done a single thing to reverse any of it, would have just made it worse. I blame you, too, by the way. Yeah, you… what did you say when he came down on New Orleans or on Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder? Most of you, anyway. Be honest. You didn’t say a f’kin thing or you thought it was just fine. You didn’t really care. Whatever you think of Ray Rice, he was railroaded, too. If you want to complain about being screwed, then stand up and defend others who got screwed, too. Pretty much what I said in my earlier post here. What is that saying... "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." ~ Edmund Burke Kraft did more than nothing back when he could have, worse, he helped. |
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Post by muzwell on Apr 27, 2016 12:19:44 GMT -5
Kraft’s fate was sealed years before there was any discussion of deflated footballs. Ballghazi is only the latest instance of an out-of-control, megalomaniacal commissioner with unchecked power and pathological insecurity. ... Welcome a-board Sir. LOL I can only worry about defending patriot players.. I am not a rep or pretend to be one. Plus Ray Rice's actions I thought are on tape. Tom Brady's are not. Not a good defense on my part, but I don't care. Oh well. Thanks, to quote my favorite TV dad, Frank Costanza, "I'm back, baby!" Anyway, yeah Ray Rice is not easy to defend. But, he still got screwed. The guy gave him two games based on what he did, which we all knew without the second video. Then, when the public reacted to the second video, Hitler panicked and banned him essentially for life. Not based on what he did, that was already accounted for. But, to save his own neck. This is really not much different, he's caving in to popular opinion, which is that the Pats are cheaters and need to be hammered. |
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Post by muzwell on Apr 27, 2016 12:30:47 GMT -5
Kraft’s fate was sealed years before there was any discussion of deflated footballs. Ballghazi is only the latest instance of an out-of-control, megalomaniacal commissioner with unchecked power and pathological insecurity... Glad you decided to join Muzz. Always one of my favorite reads regardless wether I agree or disagree with you. Thanks jri (no longer a Ghost?)...what is this disagree stuff?? |
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Post by jri37 on Apr 27, 2016 12:38:08 GMT -5
Glad you decided to join Muzz. Always one of my favorite reads regardless wether I agree or disagree with you. Thanks jri (no longer a Ghost?)...what is this disagree stuff?? LOL... Only rarely Muzz. Went back to my original handle from 2010 the one I had before my banning from one of the many exchanges I had with jints. |
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Post by nyc on Apr 27, 2016 13:16:10 GMT -5
Kraft did not need a lawsuit against the league rather he needed an aggressive media driven PR campaign to dispute the ESPN report. If he had countered that report repeatedly and successfully the conversation could have shifted from cheating to science, the ideal gas law and the Pats innocence. It would have cost $$$$$$$$+ (10 Mil+) to hire the experts and buy the media space but it would have been worth it.
In the end he trusted the league too much and his approach was too passive.
And yes, I agree with Muz. Acting sooner against tyranny was the right approach but the problem is we have 32 jealous, selfish acting out children who want everything their way. Some balanced voice of reason is necessary to bring the 32 brats back in line. Discipline in the NFL needs to be concretely spelled out and evenly dispensed.
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Post by patseng on Apr 27, 2016 13:29:11 GMT -5
Kraft’s fate was sealed years before there was any discussion of deflated footballs. Ballghazi is only the latest instance of an out-of-control, megalomaniacal commissioner with unchecked power and pathological insecurity. Spygate, Bountygate, Uncapped Year-gate, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Andy Reid and so forth. He picks and chooses based on public opinion and he plays favorites. Arthur Blank can pump in fake crowd noise and Woody can tamper, and yeah we’ll give them a hand slap. He oversteps his authority on the regular and he’s going to keep doing it because guys like Kraft have enabled him. If he didn’t say anything against what he did to New Orleans or to Dallas and Washington, and to Rice and Peterson, then he’s getting what he deserves when it happens to his team. Each one of those things was a massive overreach of authority and overpunishment. A coach gets a year off because some of his players tried to hurt other players? Really, what is this, girls’ field hockey? A couple of teams treat an uncapped year like it’s really uncapped? The horrors. Kraft supported the guy through all of the above, publicly and famously. What goes around… If he wanted to avoid this sort of thing happening to his team, he’d have stood up for his fellow owners then. He didn’t. Instead he supported the dictator. Told the other owners to suck it up and take it like men. So, it’s no surprise that none of them are going to do a single thing to support him. They never will. Kraft created this Frankenstein. He shouldn’t be surprised when it turned on him. Evil isn’t loyal. This is how dictatorships operate. Hitler and Stalin both had many of their early supporters, their cronies, killed. Rule with fear. Rationality and common sense are irrelevant to lunatics. If Kraft made any mistakes, it was years before anyone ever heard of McNally and Jastremski. By that time, it was way too late. A lawsuit wouldn’t have done a single thing to reverse any of it, would have just made it worse. I blame you, too, by the way. Yeah, you… what did you say when he came down on New Orleans or on Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder? Most of you, anyway. Be honest. You didn’t say a f’kin thing or you thought it was just fine. You didn’t really care. Whatever you think of Ray Rice, he was railroaded, too. If you want to complain about being screwed, then stand up and defend others who got screwed, too. The NO's event I thought they got a extremely harsh penalty and Goodell went overboard. Was and Dal though, there is no way the owners weren't talking behind the scenes and saying don't spend all out because it's going to get the cap back on. Honestly I have to believe they were warned before they did it and with those two owners in particular I think they gave the rest of the owners the finger and did it anyways so really losing cap space seems like a legit penalty but I bet that was held against Kraft this go around. Ray Rice, sorry I don't think anyone who beats women should be in the league period, they should be in jail. So railroaded or not there is a huge difference to me for beating women compared to an equipment violation |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 14:53:54 GMT -5
Interesting. The general trend here looks like, "The BB Lovers of America" think Kraft was way too wimpy whereas those most often proclaimed as "objective" see him as having little choice.
This is a very much homer driven complaint about Kraft, though I am a bit surprised that a few of those who at least occasionally show some sense are on that bandwagon.
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Post by philskiw on Apr 27, 2016 18:31:02 GMT -5
Kraft bailed on a guy that kisses him before a game. That's blasphemy. Sold "family" down the road. Jelly fish he is
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Post by BostonBruinss on Apr 27, 2016 18:41:44 GMT -5
I vote F- for softie Kraft.
Look where we are right now. Right back at square 1.
absolutely pathetic by the Kraft family
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Post by pauldeba on Apr 27, 2016 19:05:22 GMT -5
1 vote No, they shouldnt have cheated? Has that punk Colts fan already joined the forum? He better be on a short leash here.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 27, 2016 19:55:47 GMT -5
Kraft’s fate was sealed years before there was any discussion of deflated footballs. Ballghazi is only the latest instance of an out-of-control, megalomaniacal commissioner with unchecked power and pathological insecurity.... The NO's event I thought they got a extremely harsh penalty and Goodell went overboard. Was and Dal though, there is no way the owners weren't talking behind the scenes and saying don't spend all out because it's going to get the cap back on. Honestly I have to believe they were warned before they did it and with those two owners in particular I think they gave the rest of the owners the finger and did it anyways so really losing cap space seems like a legit penalty but I bet that was held against Kraft this go around. Ray Rice, sorry I don't think anyone who beats women should be in the league period, they should be in jail. So railroaded or not there is a huge difference to me for beating women compared to an equipment violation So, that's all well and good that Stalin wants to penalize Jerry and Dan, but why is Kraft involving himself in the deal. Just stay out. If anything, side with your fellow owners, not with the dictator. Instead, he's making excuses for the guy, telling Jones to take it like a man. It's not your place to tell Jones anything, that's Hitler's job. He doesn't need you running interference. And if you're going to do that, you can damn well expect those guys are going to throw it back in your face the first chance they get. That's exactly what happened. As far as Rice goes, yeah he's a bad guy. Attila knew that when he gave him two games - he knew everything he did to that woman, knew he coldcocked her in that elevator. We all knew it. So, the second video should have had no impact on anything. Instead, he acted as if the second video was something unexpected, something new and different, a new crime. It was just further confirmation of the crime we all knew he committed. He had no business changing the discipline based on the second video. If someone is convicted of a crime based on available evidence, and they are sentenced for the crime, you don't get to go back and increase the sentence just because video evidence of the crime they've already been punished for surfaces later. He caved in to public opinion, instead of being a man and standing behind the punishment he handed out already. |
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Post by patsfaninpa on Apr 27, 2016 22:55:18 GMT -5
Kraft is a pompous self-serving phony and fraud who read so many fawning stories about himself and his being the commissioner's right hand man that he actually thought he was in charge and immune from the Ginger hammer. He not only was so blinded by his own reflection that he didn't realize Goodell was using him, he also failed to see how offended and angry his owner pals were with his bloated self- image.
Yes, he could have gone all Al Davis and risked his business. No one expected that. However, when he got the letter from the league explicitly telling him he could not respond publicly to the false information or leak any details or facts about the untruths the league was putting out there, he should have done one of two things-either fiound a "leaker" himself, i.e his own Mortensen to put it out there or simply instructed his PR department to do it. Despite Fuhrer Goodell not getting the memo, this is still America. Legally Kraft could have made a very strong case that he had every right to protect his asset by correcting the record. He should have stood up then and there would never have been a Wells Report. Blame's all on Kraft.
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Post by philskiw on Apr 28, 2016 6:23:10 GMT -5
Kraft is a pompous self-serving phony and fraud who read so many fawning stories about himself and his being the commissioner's right hand man that he actually thought he was in charge and immune from the Ginger hammer. He not only was so blinded by his own reflection that he didn't realize Goodell was using him, he also failed to see how offended and angry his owner pals were with his bloated self- image. Yes, he could have gone all Al Davis and risked his business. No one expected that. However, when he got the letter from the league explicitly telling him he could not respond publicly to the false information or leak any details or facts about the untruths the league was putting out there, he should have done one of two things-either fiound a "leaker" himself, i.e his own Mortensen to put it out there or simply instructed his PR department to do it. Despite Fuhrer Goodell not getting the memo, this is still America. Legally Kraft could have made a very strong case that he had every right to protect his asset by correcting the record. He should have stood up then and there would never have been a Wells Report. Blame's all on Kraft. Jelly fish can't stand. They have no legs or a back bone. Well said |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 28, 2016 6:56:43 GMT -5
I don't see it that way. I see it as Kraft fell on his sword so BB didn't have to face the music. Again.
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Post by patseng on Apr 28, 2016 7:03:15 GMT -5
The NO's event I thought they got a extremely harsh penalty and Goodell went overboard. Was and Dal though, there is no way the owners weren't talking behind the scenes and saying don't spend all out because it's going to get the cap back on. Honestly I have to believe they were warned before they did it and with those two owners in particular I think they gave the rest of the owners the finger and did it anyways so really losing cap space seems like a legit penalty but I bet that was held against Kraft this go around. Ray Rice, sorry I don't think anyone who beats women should be in the league period, they should be in jail. So railroaded or not there is a huge difference to me for beating women compared to an equipment violation So, that's all well and good that Stalin wants to penalize Jerry and Dan, but why is Kraft involving himself in the deal. Just stay out. If anything, side with your fellow owners, not with the dictator. Instead, he's making excuses for the guy, telling Jones to take it like a man. It's not your place to tell Jones anything, that's Hitler's job. He doesn't need you running interference. And if you're going to do that, you can damn well expect those guys are going to throw it back in your face the first chance they get. That's exactly what happened. As far as Rice goes, yeah he's a bad guy. Attila knew that when he gave him two games - he knew everything he did to that woman, knew he coldcocked her in that elevator. We all knew it. So, the second video should have had no impact on anything. Instead, he acted as if the second video was something unexpected, something new and different, a new crime. It was just further confirmation of the crime we all knew he committed. He had no business changing the discipline based on the second video. If someone is convicted of a crime based on available evidence, and they are sentenced for the crime, you don't get to go back and increase the sentence just because video evidence of the crime they've already been punished for surfaces later. He caved in to public opinion, instead of being a man and standing behind the punishment he handed out already. I agree Kraft should have kept his nose out of it and maybe we wouldn't have been hit like we did. Jones came out swinging against the Pats so you know Kraft PO'd some off which is why the penalty was so hard. I agree Goodell shouldn't double penalize but the thing is a full ban imo for what Rice did was the right thing and Goodell did the wrong thing initially and I said back then 2 games was too little for a women beater. So to me Goodell is way to inconsistent and plays to the whims of the owners way too often. |
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Apr 28, 2016 7:05:23 GMT -5
Karp, if he's falling on his sword, why the weird website? Wouldn't you just accept and move on?
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Post by philskiw on Apr 28, 2016 7:05:36 GMT -5
I don't see it that way. I see it as Kraft fell on his sword so BB didn't have to face the music. Again. What sword ? The tom Brady legacy one? The tom Brady is a cheater one. The goat really isn't the goat cause this dark cloud over the org and his head? Kraft looked at how much it will cost him. You travel thru airports. Ever wear your pats hat? What do people say to you? I know the answer. Think what Brady's kids go thru when they interface with typical kids. So if Kraft fell on the sword so BB wouldn't have to face the music then your saying he "sacrificed" Brady for BB. Officers like that usually get shot in the back if I may use a simple analogy. |
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Post by jri37 on Apr 28, 2016 7:57:14 GMT -5
I don't see it that way. I see it as Kraft fell on his sword so BB didn't have to face the music. Again. Just curious what music did BB have to face? |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 28, 2016 8:03:42 GMT -5
Karp, if he's falling on his sword, why the weird website? Wouldn't you just accept and move on? the web site is Krafts attempt to settle the fan noise for doing what he had no other choice to do |
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Post by rkarp on Apr 28, 2016 8:06:36 GMT -5
I don't see it that way. I see it as Kraft fell on his sword so BB didn't have to face the music. Again. Just curious what music did BB have to face? the "Patriots are cheaters" accusations made by every fan, player and coach, are not directed at a single player on the Pats, nor at any of the ownership group. it is directed solely at BB. |
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Post by jri37 on Apr 28, 2016 8:31:18 GMT -5
Just curious what music did BB have to face? the "Patriots are cheaters" accusations made by every fan, player and coach, are not directed at a single player on the Pats, nor at any of the ownership group. it is directed solely at BB. Perception is just that... perception. The majority of people are going to believe what they want about BB regardless of what Kraft did or said. IMO and its an opinion just like everyone else has... Kraft understood the ramifications to his power within the league if he took on Goodell and his fellow owners. He would have waved bye, bye to Chairmanship of the broadcast committee, his power on the Management Executive Council, his place on the Compensation Committee and any other powerful position within the league. So instead he did what most rich powerful people do... said screw personal integrity, the fans and the guy that helped me build Patriot Place and I'll just feign my indignation and retain what is what I have. |
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Post by stinkman on Apr 28, 2016 8:37:35 GMT -5
Put the problem with all of this bending over stuff...
No 1st RD Pick(tonight.
No 4th Rd pick in 17
TB 4 Game Susp.
The bottom line Kraft trusted the DEVIL AND GOT BURNED. If he had a do over I think he would have fought it. jmo
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