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Post by Shelly on May 7, 2016 11:26:47 GMT -5
Where do these play each other and what is their schedule? That is my point. Your so-called "teams" are nothing more than a collection of individual's statistics. That is like playing Maddon football. I guess what really bothers me about it is rooting for a player on your "team" who is actually playing against the Patriots that week. It is like trying to physically be in two places at once. (BTW, that is why in the scoring contest I never picked a team that was either playing the Patriots or for a Patriot's competitor in race in a game that wasn't expected to be a blowout, as an example I would pick Denver at home over Cleveland, but not against Oakland/Las Vegas.) You're old fashioned, Sheldon. It's 2016 not 1620 if you catch my drift. Fantasy Football is huge and everyone is playing it for the past 10 years, many have been playing it for 20+ years. You still have teams and you win based on your team scoring more then the other team. It's a contest, just like every other game being played. Well, not everyone and you missed my point.
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Post by TFB12 on May 7, 2016 11:50:56 GMT -5
You're old fashioned, Sheldon. It's 2016 not 1620 if you catch my drift. Fantasy Football is huge and everyone is playing it for the past 10 years, many have been playing it for 20+ years. You still have teams and you win based on your team scoring more then the other team. It's a contest, just like every other game being played. Well, not everyone and you missed my point. Yeah, pretty much everyone. Even the players, announcers, media, coaches, and of course fan. So what's your point other then you are one of the few who doesn't get it. Are you related to TexasPat by chance? He doesn't get it either.
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Post by Shelly on May 7, 2016 13:01:38 GMT -5
Well, not everyone and you missed my point. Yeah, pretty much everyone. Even the players, announcers, media, coaches, and of course fan. So what's your point other then you are one of the few who doesn't get it. Are you related to TexasPat by chance? He doesn't get it either. Oh I get it, this stupid obsession with statistics of individual players. I just think it isn't about rooting for a team and enjoying the game, itself, and that is why I dislike it so much. And you still have missed my point.
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Post by TFB12 on May 7, 2016 15:44:18 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty much everyone. Even the players, announcers, media, coaches, and of course fan. So what's your point other then you are one of the few who doesn't get it. Are you related to TexasPat by chance? He doesn't get it either. Oh I get it, this stupid obsession with statistics of individual players. I just think it isn't about rooting for a team and enjoying the game, itself, and that is why I dislike it so much. And you still have missed my point. You draft individual players to make up a team, like real football and its still team vs team. Not missing your point, you just fail to not understand the concept of fantasy football, apparently.
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Post by Shelly on May 7, 2016 18:11:23 GMT -5
Oh I get it, this stupid obsession with statistics of individual players. I just think it isn't about rooting for a team and enjoying the game, itself, and that is why I dislike it so much. And you still have missed my point. You draft individual players to make up a team, like real football and its still team vs team. Not missing your point, you just fail to not understand the concept of fantasy football, apparently. No, you still are. The difference is that you not rooting for a "team". You are rooting for a collection of players to individually do well and they are from various teams. You can call it team, but it is not because none of them interact with one another. It is a group, not a team. You might as well just have the same players with their statistics make up a "team" on Madden football. I understand it. It is just not the same thing as rooting for a TEAM.
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Post by Shelly on May 7, 2016 18:32:33 GMT -5
You draft individual players to make up a team, like real football and its still team vs team. Not missing your point, you just fail to not understand the concept of fantasy football, apparently. No, you still are. The difference is that you not rooting for a "team". You are rooting for a collection of players to individually do well and they are from various teams. You can call it team, but it is not because none of them interact with one another. It is a group, not a team. You might as well just have the same players with their statistics make up a "team" on Madden football. I understand it. It is just not the same thing as rooting for a TEAM. When I was a kid we had a game of baseball with a spinner. There were circular cards for each player and different sections on each card that were set to emulate what that batter did relative to his stats for the previous year. We would "draft" players to make up "teams" and play against each other. Of course we couldn't account for the pitchers. We would then play games against each other with our "teams". So, what is so different between that kid's game and what you have with the fantasy stuff? How is it any different from Madden football if you make leagues of players? Now contrast that with actually following and rooting for a TEAM in the NFL. Anyway, my real point is that I see it as having a conflict of interest between rooting for your team and rooting for an opposing player.
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Post by NEGAME on May 7, 2016 18:40:26 GMT -5
REAL contests involve TEAMS, not stats. Fantasy football has TEAMS. It's just unfortunate the NEGAME has had a better Fantasy TEAM then I have had over the past couple years. (her boyfriend helps her out) ok here we go again--my boyfriend rides Harleys, shoots completion and can't wait to get out of the house when I'm watching the Patriots. the only fantasy he cares about doesn't have anything to do with football. You just can't stand it that I (a female) keep kicking your butt.
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Post by NEGAME on May 7, 2016 18:50:27 GMT -5
No, you still are. The difference is that you not rooting for a "team". You are rooting for a collection of players to individually do well and they are from various teams. You can call it team, but it is not because none of them interact with one another. It is a group, not a team. You might as well just have the same players with their statistics make up a "team" on Madden football. I understand it. It is just not the same thing as rooting for a TEAM. When I was a kid we had a game of baseball with a spinner. There were circular cards for each player and different sections on each card that were set to emulate what that batter did relative to his stats for the previous year. We would "draft" players to make up "teams" and play against each other. Of course we couldn't account for the pitchers. We would then play games against each other with our "teams". So, what is so different between that kid's game and what you have with the fantasy stuff? How is it any different from Madden football if you make leagues of players? Now contrast that with actually following and rooting for a TEAM in the NFL. Anyway, my real point is that I see it as having a conflict of interest between rooting for your team and rooting for an opposing player. I remember how excited you got when you move into first place over me last year in the scoring contest. You couldn't' stop reminding us. Fantasy football is so much fun and exciting drafting , trading, dropping, picking up players, trash talking. Just makes the season so much more interesting. I guess you have never tried it, so how can you comment on it. Conflict of interest , Really ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ?
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Post by Shelly on May 7, 2016 20:54:28 GMT -5
When I was a kid we had a game of baseball with a spinner. There were circular cards for each player and different sections on each card that were set to emulate what that batter did relative to his stats for the previous year. We would "draft" players to make up "teams" and play against each other. Of course we couldn't account for the pitchers. We would then play games against each other with our "teams". So, what is so different between that kid's game and what you have with the fantasy stuff? How is it any different from Madden football if you make leagues of players? Now contrast that with actually following and rooting for a TEAM in the NFL. Anyway, my real point is that I see it as having a conflict of interest between rooting for your team and rooting for an opposing player. I remember how excited you got when you move into first place over me last year in the scoring contest. You couldn't' stop reminding us. Fantasy football is so much fun and exciting drafting , trading, dropping, picking up players, trash talking. Just makes the season so much more interesting. I guess you have never tried it, so how can you comment on it. Conflict of interest , Really ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? That contest is totally different. It is about REAL teams. If you read the earlier posts you would see that I never picked a team that was against the interests of the Pats (unless it was a sure thing). I did that to avoid a conflict of interest. Yes, really!
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Post by TFB12 on May 7, 2016 21:14:07 GMT -5
Fantasy football has TEAMS. It's just unfortunate the NEGAME has had a better Fantasy TEAM then I have had over the past couple years. (her boyfriend helps her out) ok here we go again--my boyfriend rides Harleys, shoots completion and can't wait to get out of the house when I'm watching the Patriots. the only fantasy he cares about doesn't have anything to do with football. You just can't stand it that I (a female) keep kicking your butt. Yeah, that's part of it! Hahaha!! But for the most part I'm ultra competitive and hate losing more then I love winning. One thing is for sure, I think everyone involved will agree that you make it a lot more fun and you're probably one of the best crap talkers during the draft!
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Post by TFB12 on May 7, 2016 21:25:43 GMT -5
You draft individual players to make up a team, like real football and its still team vs team. Not missing your point, you just fail to not understand the concept of fantasy football, apparently. No, you still are. The difference is that you not rooting for a "team". You are rooting for a collection of players to individually do well and they are from various teams. You can call it team, but it is not because none of them interact with one another. It is a group, not a team. You might as well just have the same players with their statistics make up a "team" on Madden football. I understand it. It is just not the same thing as rooting for a TEAM. I am also rooting for a team.. I'm rooting for my team. A team I put together from a draft. Just like the NFL owners put together a team from a draft. They choose players from other teams to form a new team together... just like we do in fantasy football. When the NBA, MLB, and NFL put together "all-Stars" or "Pro-Bowlers" to play each other are those not teams? A team is a number of persons forming one of the sides in a game or contest. That is exactly what fantasy football is. My team plays another team and if my team scores more then the other team then I win.
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Post by TFB12 on May 7, 2016 21:27:55 GMT -5
I remember how excited you got when you move into first place over me last year in the scoring contest. You couldn't' stop reminding us. Fantasy football is so much fun and exciting drafting , trading, dropping, picking up players, trash talking. Just makes the season so much more interesting. I guess you have never tried it, so how can you comment on it. Conflict of interest , Really ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? That contest is totally different. It is about REAL teams. If you read the earlier posts you would see that I never picked a team that was against the interests of the Pats (unless it was a sure thing). I did that to avoid a conflict of interest. Yes, really!That has nothing to do with anything, Sheldon. That is just some personal rule you go by and has nothing to do with what is or isn't a team.
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Post by Shelly on May 8, 2016 6:06:14 GMT -5
No, you still are. The difference is that you not rooting for a "team". You are rooting for a collection of players to individually do well and they are from various teams. You can call it team, but it is not because none of them interact with one another. It is a group, not a team. You might as well just have the same players with their statistics make up a "team" on Madden football. I understand it. It is just not the same thing as rooting for a TEAM. I am also rooting for a team.. I'm rooting for my team. A team I put together from a draft. Just like the NFL owners put together a team from a draft. They choose players from other teams to form a new team together... just like we do in fantasy football. When the NBA, MLB, and NFL put together "all-Stars" or "Pro-Bowlers" to play each other are those not teams? A team is a number of persons forming one of the sides in a game or contest. That is exactly what fantasy football is. My team plays another team and if my team scores more then the other team then I win. The all star games are teams. If Peyton passes to Gronk he actually passes the ball to Gronk. It is not that Peyton gets X points and Gronk gets Y points and your team has X+Y points. Yes, what you are doing is playing GM and going through the machinations that they do to put together your collection of player statistics. But your QB never passes to your receiver if your QB and receiver are on different NFL teams. I understand your enjoyment of the activity. However, it is just a game of statistics. What teamwork exists among your players? I think it detracts from the game itself. For example, if you have Rodgers and he needs another TD for you to win and they are playing the Patriots and it is 4th and goal, down by 5 with 10 seconds to go, what are you rooting for? Is it your NFL team, the Patriots, or Rodgers because he is in you collection of players? That is what I am talking about when I say conflicts of interest. Also, how deeply into a Patriots game are you if you are constantly switching channels to see what is happening to your player in another game. I can't multitask to that extent, and I would much rather concentrate my attention on the one of 16 regular season games the Pats are actually playing.
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Post by Shelly on May 8, 2016 6:12:05 GMT -5
That contest is totally different. It is about REAL teams. If you read the earlier posts you would see that I never picked a team that was against the interests of the Pats (unless it was a sure thing). I did that to avoid a conflict of interest. Yes, really!That has nothing to do with anything, Sheldon. That is just some personal rule you go by and has nothing to do with what is or isn't a team. How many times does your "team" actually get on the field? What is the color of your "team"'s uniform? Is your "team" playing at home or away in any given week? Yes, it is personal rule I go by. Now, tell me if you only pick players that are either on the Patriots or on teams that will not play the Patriots in any game that season. If that is the case, then you are following the same rule as I do. If not, they you can possibly have a conflict of interest in any particular Patriots game.
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Post by TFB12 on May 9, 2016 23:14:44 GMT -5
That has nothing to do with anything, Sheldon. That is just some personal rule you go by and has nothing to do with what is or isn't a team. How many times does your "team" actually get on the field? What is the color of your "team"'s uniform? Is your "team" playing at home or away in any given week? Yes, it is personal rule I go by. Now, tell me if you only pick players that are either on the Patriots or on teams that will not play the Patriots in any game that season. If that is the case, then you are following the same rule as I do. If not, they you can possibly have a conflict of interest in any particular Patriots game. Sorry Sheldon, I don't see how any of that is relevant. As for your personal rule, that's nice, but that's just your personal rule. Nobody is rooting against the Patriots in FF. Sure there might be a player on your FF team that is playing against the Patriots but nobody is rooting for the Patriots to lose. A lot of times FF owners will bench the player(s) who are on the team that is playing the Patriots. Some don't. I know its all more then a game to most of us but no matter how you look at, teams on the field, FF teams, pick em games, survivor games, It might be a personal rule of yours to never bet against the Patriots, but let me fill you in on some info.. There are Patriot fans who bet against the Patriots on their football betting. I never have, but I know there are those who do. That would be much more of a conflict of interest, imo. But again, at the end of the day.. they are all games.
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Post by Shelly on May 10, 2016 6:00:23 GMT -5
How many times does your "team" actually get on the field? What is the color of your "team"'s uniform? Is your "team" playing at home or away in any given week? Yes, it is personal rule I go by. Now, tell me if you only pick players that are either on the Patriots or on teams that will not play the Patriots in any game that season. If that is the case, then you are following the same rule as I do. If not, they you can possibly have a conflict of interest in any particular Patriots game. Sorry Sheldon, I don't see how any of that is relevant. As for your personal rule, that's nice, but that's just your personal rule. Nobody is rooting against the Patriots in FF. Sure there might be a player on your FF team that is playing against the Patriots but nobody is rooting for the Patriots to lose. A lot of times FF owners will bench the player(s) who are on the team that is playing the Patriots. Some don't. I know its all more then a game to most of us but no matter how you look at, teams on the field, FF teams, pick em games, survivor games, It might be a personal rule of yours to never bet against the Patriots, but let me fill you in on some info.. There are Patriot fans who bet against the Patriots on their football betting. I never have, but I know there are those who do. That would be much more of a conflict of interest, imo. But again, at the end of the day.. they are all games. Yes, they are all games. However, the collection of players in FF is a "team" in name only, because that is what FF people choose to call it. A team is a group of people who do things TOGETHER towards an objective. They interact with one another. What you call a team is just a collection of "I"s and there is no "I" in team. As for FF people betting against the Pats while SUPPOSEDLY being Pats fans, you have just made my point.
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Post by TFB12 on May 10, 2016 9:11:22 GMT -5
Sorry Sheldon, I don't see how any of that is relevant. As for your personal rule, that's nice, but that's just your personal rule. Nobody is rooting against the Patriots in FF. Sure there might be a player on your FF team that is playing against the Patriots but nobody is rooting for the Patriots to lose. A lot of times FF owners will bench the player(s) who are on the team that is playing the Patriots. Some don't. I know its all more then a game to most of us but no matter how you look at, teams on the field, FF teams, pick em games, survivor games, It might be a personal rule of yours to never bet against the Patriots, but let me fill you in on some info.. There are Patriot fans who bet against the Patriots on their football betting. I never have, but I know there are those who do. That would be much more of a conflict of interest, imo. But again, at the end of the day.. they are all games. Yes, they are all games. However, the collection of players in FF is a "team" in name only, because that is what FF people choose to call it. A team is a group of people who do things TOGETHER towards an objective. They interact with one another. What you call a team is just a collection of "I"s and there is no "I" in team. As for FF people betting against the Pats while SUPPOSEDLY being Pats fans, you have just made my point. You are mistaken, I never said Fantasy Football people bet against the Patriots. I said I know people who bet football games who are Pats fans but they will bet against them based on what the line is. It's all a game to them. Just like Fantasy Football is a game, just like actual football is just a game.
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Post by Shelly on May 10, 2016 10:56:26 GMT -5
Yes, they are all games. However, the collection of players in FF is a "team" in name only, because that is what FF people choose to call it. A team is a group of people who do things TOGETHER towards an objective. They interact with one another. What you call a team is just a collection of "I"s and there is no "I" in team. As for FF people betting against the Pats while SUPPOSEDLY being Pats fans, you have just made my point. You are mistaken, I never said Fantasy Football people bet against the Patriots. I said I know people who bet football games who are Pats fans but they will bet against them based on what the line is. It's all a game to them. Just like Fantasy Football is a game, just like actual football is just a game. I misunderstood, but if you look at the entire context of the discussion (which was about FF vs Pats) you can understand why.
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Post by homefield on May 10, 2016 12:53:34 GMT -5
How many times does your "team" actually get on the field? What is the color of your "team"'s uniform? Is your "team" playing at home or away in any given week? Yes, it is personal rule I go by. Now, tell me if you only pick players that are either on the Patriots or on teams that will not play the Patriots in any game that season. If that is the case, then you are following the same rule as I do. If not, they you can possibly have a conflict of interest in any particular Patriots game. Nobody is rooting against the Patriots in FF. Sure there might be a player on your FF team that is playing against the Patriots but nobody is rooting for the Patriots to lose. A lot of times FF owners will bench the player(s) who are on the team that is playing the Patriots. Some don't. I know its all more then a game to most of us but no matter how you look at, teams on the field, FF teams, pick em games, survivor games, True. FFball is just a casual side game for me , to make non-Patriots games a little more exciting. I normally bench anyone playing against the Pats unless I have no one else to start, due to bye weeks. Last year for example I had Beckham jr on my team, my other wr's were on bye weeks. I rooted against him the whole game and was really p*ssed off when he got the TD off Butler. Thankfully Butler did a great job against him for the rest of the game. Also have Gronk and I could care less how many receptions or TD's he gets as long as the Patriots win! If Gronk is used as a decoy and doesn't get any points but the Pats win, I'm very happy! Just a casual side game.
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Post by Shelly on May 10, 2016 13:51:59 GMT -5
Nobody is rooting against the Patriots in FF. Sure there might be a player on your FF team that is playing against the Patriots but nobody is rooting for the Patriots to lose. A lot of times FF owners will bench the player(s) who are on the team that is playing the Patriots. Some don't. I know its all more then a game to most of us but no matter how you look at, teams on the field, FF teams, pick em games, survivor games, True. FFball is just a casual side game for me , to make non-Patriots games a little more exciting. I normally bench anyone playing against the Pats unless I have no one else to start, due to bye weeks. Last year for example I had Beckham jr on my team, my other wr's were on bye weeks. I rooted against him the whole game and was really p*ssed off when he got the TD off Butler. Thankfully Butler did a great job against him for the rest of the game. Also have Gronk and I could care less how many receptions or TD's he gets as long as the Patriots win! If Gronk is used as a decoy and doesn't get any points but the Pats win, I'm very happy! Just a casual side game. ...and that is how I feel in the week I pick the Pats in the scoring contest. Pats winning is much, much, more important (1,000,000,000:1).
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Post by patseng on Aug 6, 2016 13:57:28 GMT -5
You draft individual players to make up a team, like real football and its still team vs team. Not missing your point, you just fail to not understand the concept of fantasy football, apparently. No, you still are. The difference is that you not rooting for a "team". You are rooting for a collection of players to individually do well and they are from various teams. You can call it team, but it is not because none of them interact with one another. It is a group, not a team. You might as well just have the same players with their statistics make up a "team" on Madden football. I understand it. It is just not the same thing as rooting for a TEAM. You basically just described baseball slg. Baseball is more individual based than any other sport and you can easily say individual performance is more important than the interaction between the players. So by your definitions baseball teams aren't teams
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Post by Shelly on Aug 6, 2016 14:25:18 GMT -5
No, you still are. The difference is that you not rooting for a "team". You are rooting for a collection of players to individually do well and they are from various teams. You can call it team, but it is not because none of them interact with one another. It is a group, not a team. You might as well just have the same players with their statistics make up a "team" on Madden football. I understand it. It is just not the same thing as rooting for a TEAM. You basically just described baseball slg. Baseball is more individual based than any other sport and you can easily say individual performance is more important than the interaction between the players. So by your definitions baseball teams aren't teams No, you totally missed the point. On a baseball team the short stop throws to the first baseman on the same team. They interact with one another, though less than in football. The big difference is that with a baseball team it is whether or not those players get more runs than their opponent. It doesn't matter if the collection of hits, walks, pitcher's strikeouts, etc. all add up to more than the other team. All that matters is the final score, and not how you weight home runs, walks, etc. With fantasy whatever, all you have is a group of players and you add up their statistics, with each type given a weight, to see who "wins". On the field, however, real teams are the ones who have more runs/points to be determined the winner.
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Post by patseng on Aug 8, 2016 9:13:28 GMT -5
You basically just described baseball slg. Baseball is more individual based than any other sport and you can easily say individual performance is more important than the interaction between the players. So by your definitions baseball teams aren't teams No, you totally missed the point. On a baseball team the short stop throws to the first baseman on the same team. They interact with one another, though less than in football. The big difference is that with a baseball team it is whether or not those players get more runs than their opponent. It doesn't matter if the collection of hits, walks, pitcher's strikeouts, etc. all add up to more than the other team. All that matters is the final score, and not how you weight home runs, walks, etc. With fantasy whatever, all you have is a group of players and you add up their statistics, with each type given a weight, to see who "wins". On the field, however, real teams are the ones who have more runs/points to be determined the winner. Well sometimes a game is decide by a single hit in an otherwise perfectly pitched game so individual performance still trumps team performance. A team that fields perfectly can still lose if the pitcher gives up 10 home runs. And a team still loses if the individual batters can't generate offense. But let's talk about other teams. Swim teams, golf teams, and track and field teams. All individual performances that in no way interact with each other (other than in relays). An individual can have an exceptional performance but the team can still lose if the collection of individual performances don't provide enough points for the team as a whole to win. So, do swim, golf, track and field teams or even tennis teams not count as teams? It's still a collection of individual results but the win and lose is determined by the collection of those individual results.
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Post by Shelly on Aug 8, 2016 9:22:46 GMT -5
No, you totally missed the point. On a baseball team the short stop throws to the first baseman on the same team. They interact with one another, though less than in football. The big difference is that with a baseball team it is whether or not those players get more runs than their opponent. It doesn't matter if the collection of hits, walks, pitcher's strikeouts, etc. all add up to more than the other team. All that matters is the final score, and not how you weight home runs, walks, etc. With fantasy whatever, all you have is a group of players and you add up their statistics, with each type given a weight, to see who "wins". On the field, however, real teams are the ones who have more runs/points to be determined the winner. Well sometimes a game is decide by a single hit in an otherwise perfectly pitched game so individual performance still trumps team performance. A team that fields perfectly can still lose if the pitcher gives up 10 home runs. And a team still loses if the individual batters can't generate offense. But let's talk about other teams. Swim teams, golf teams, and track and field teams. All individual performances that in no way interact with each other (other than in relays). An individual can have an exceptional performance but the team can still lose if the collection of individual performances don't provide enough points for the team as a whole to win. So, do swim, golf, track and field teams or even tennis teams not count as teams? It's still a collection of individual results but the win and lose is determined by the collection of those individual results. You still miss the point. When I root for the US swim team it is because it is the US swim team. I am not rooting for the collection of swimmers of two from the US team, 1 from the French team, 2 from the Australian team, etc. Are all the efforts individual? Of course. Do they interact with each other? No. Are they a TEAM? Well the US collection is a TEAM representing the US while the other way is just a collection of players representing no one in particular other than some fantasy guy. I can have a beer with other fans of the US team and we all root for the same team together. What about the other collection? That is my point.
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Post by patseng on Aug 8, 2016 9:34:51 GMT -5
Well sometimes a game is decide by a single hit in an otherwise perfectly pitched game so individual performance still trumps team performance. A team that fields perfectly can still lose if the pitcher gives up 10 home runs. And a team still loses if the individual batters can't generate offense. But let's talk about other teams. Swim teams, golf teams, and track and field teams. All individual performances that in no way interact with each other (other than in relays). An individual can have an exceptional performance but the team can still lose if the collection of individual performances don't provide enough points for the team as a whole to win. So, do swim, golf, track and field teams or even tennis teams not count as teams? It's still a collection of individual results but the win and lose is determined by the collection of those individual results. You still miss the point. When I root for the US swim team it is because it is the US swim team. I am not rooting for the collection of swimmers of two from the US team, 1 from the French team, 2 from the Australian team, etc. Are all the efforts individual? Of course. Do they interact with each other? No. Are they a TEAM? Well the US collection is a TEAM representing the US while the other way is just a collection of players representing no one in particular other than some fantasy guy. I can have a beer with other fans of the US team and we all root for the same team together. What about the other collection? That is my point. I didn't miss the point, you defined a team by how they interact with each other, not by how the fans perceptive them. Now you've changed that argument to reflect how a set of fans root for them? So, it's the fans that define what a team is by how many root for that grouping? Just because you can sit down and have a beer with someone and root for the same grouping doesn't define them as that team. Though if you want to go down that road I can sit down with a group of people who have the same individual fantasy players as me in different leagues and we all root for the same individual or collection of individuals to do well so by that definition does that not make them the same? Btw, why limit it to the Olympics, High School sports have teams of swimmers who have meets and that determines end of year championships. Is it less of a team championship because it was won off of individual performances?
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