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Post by wazzu on Apr 25, 2019 23:22:28 GMT -5
While putting a mock together, I really realized how fast the WR depth drops off after about the 2nd Rnd this year. I’m glad NE got their guy in Harry. It’s awesome that we have 5 picks to play with tomorrow!
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Post by patslifer on Apr 25, 2019 23:23:46 GMT -5
Haven't been the biggest Harry guy in the world, and had him as more of a Rd 2, but watched some last minute today to finalize my board and moved him into the #4 WR spot, over one of my favorites, JJAW. And while there were other WR's that I liked more, thus some disappointment, I don't hate the pick. If he can come in and be that that alpha #1 X that they haven't often had, then the pick is more than worth it. Big-time combo of size, strength and speed, and I look forward to seeing what McD can do with him. I'm just glad they address the position early... and that precedent of not drafting WR's in Rd 1 has ended for BB, haha. Bring on Day 2! Nice. Couldn’t agree more They replace one playmaker from Arizona with another from Arizona State
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 25, 2019 23:28:16 GMT -5
Also worth noting that Harry's former HC, Todd Graham, represented NE at the Combine last year, so I'm sure Harry came highly recommended by him. And while there has been talk that he might join the staff, nothing has really been announced.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 25, 2019 23:34:18 GMT -5
I'll take it.
#2 WR on my board, can't complain other than it being in the 1st round, barely
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 25, 2019 23:34:54 GMT -5
From a size perspective Harry can help fill some of the void in the middle of the field and red zone after Gronks retirement.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 25, 2019 23:45:48 GMT -5
Haven't been the biggest Harry guy in the world, and had him as more of a Rd 2 player, but watched some last minute tape today to finalize my board and moved him into the #4 WR spot, over one of my favorites, JJAW. And while there were other WR's that I liked more, thus some disappointment, I don't hate the pick. If he can come in and be that alpha #1 X that they haven't often had, then the pick is more than worth it. Big-time combo of size, strength and athleticism, and I look forward to seeing what McD can do with him. I'm just glad they addressed the position early... and that precedent of not drafting WR's in Rd 1 has ended for BB, haha. Bring on Day 2! I am with you on that. I did not see an Arizona St game this year, so I have to rely on the youtubes. On one hand, he wins contested balls. On the other, I have to ask, why are all his highlight catches contested. Does that mean he is not separating? If that's the case, TB might not even throw to him. That said, the staff picked him. I trust that they are confident they can fix any problem.
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Post by homefield on Apr 25, 2019 23:54:01 GMT -5
I'll take it. #2 WR on my board, can't complain other than it being in the 1st round, barely
Why? because of money? I like that he's the 32nd pick and they get that extra year of control.
I think several years back, BB valued the 33rd (2nd round) more than the 32nd due to money but now it seems the other way around because the money isn't all that bad for that extra year.
Another example is Sony. Some don't like spending a 1st on a RB but they have him for an extra year, so thats good value
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 26, 2019 0:02:34 GMT -5
zero downside on this pick.
strong as an ox, solid kid, good route runner, jump skills, hands, blocks, good return man, #1 position of need.
Great pick!
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 26, 2019 0:04:19 GMT -5
I'll take it. #2 WR on my board, can't complain other than it being in the 1st round, barely
Why? because of money? I like that he's the 32nd pick and they get that extra year of control.
I think several years back, BB valued the 33rd (2nd round) more than the 32nd due to money but now it seems the other way around because the money isn't all that bad for that extra year
No not money. WRs are not a position that puts teams over the top for winning superbowls. The rules of the game favors them and the offense already so you do not need the best player at the position since you are already being handy-capped for success. Not to mention a good OC can find ways to scheme WRs, who are less than elite, open very easily. In addition college offenses and pro offenses are significantly different so it is a huge gamble to project a college WR to the NFL game, especially in an offense where you have to have a clue. One where you run a lot of option routes that are based on reading the defense as a whole as well as reading the leverage the DB is playing/has on you while defending you. The position is not worth the risk imo, generally speaking. It's the last pick in the 1st round, a position of dire need due to Flash and DTs situations so it is what it is and I like the player. Widely considered two of the best GMs in the game, BB and Ozzie Newsome. Neither has a stellar record drafting WRs. They aren't dumb. It's a gamble to project.
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 26, 2019 0:12:20 GMT -5
Why? because of money? I like that he's the 32nd pick and they get that extra year of control.
I think several years back, BB valued the 33rd (2nd round) more than the 32nd due to money but now it seems the other way around because the money isn't all that bad for that extra year
No not money. WRs are not a position that puts teams over the top for winning superbowls. The rules of the game favors them and the offense already so you do not need the best player at the position since you are already being handy capped for success. Not to mention a good OC can find ways to scheme WRs who are less than elite open very easily. In addition college offenses and pro offenses are significantly different so it is a huge gamble to project a college WR to the NFL game, especially in an offense where you have to have a clue. One where you run a lot of option routes that are based on reading the defense as a hole as well as reading the leverage the DB is playing/has on you while defending you. The position is not worth the risk imo, generally speaking. It's the last pick in the 1st round, a position of dire need due to Flash and DTs situations so it is what it is and I like the player. Widely considered two of the best GMs in the game, BB and Ozzie Newsome. Neither has a stellar record drafting WRs. They aren't dumb. It's a gamble to project. I think the systems of the 2 teams have more to do with missing on the very few wr's they have selected early over the years. Kevin Colbert could find a receiver on an Ultimate Frisby team.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 26, 2019 0:16:30 GMT -5
No not money. WRs are not a position that puts teams over the top for winning superbowls. The rules of the game favors them and the offense already so you do not need the best player at the position since you are already being handy capped for success. Not to mention a good OC can find ways to scheme WRs who are less than elite open very easily. In addition college offenses and pro offenses are significantly different so it is a huge gamble to project a college WR to the NFL game, especially in an offense where you have to have a clue. One where you run a lot of option routes that are based on reading the defense as a hole as well as reading the leverage the DB is playing/has on you while defending you. The position is not worth the risk imo, generally speaking. It's the last pick in the 1st round, a position of dire need due to Flash and DTs situations so it is what it is and I like the player. Widely considered two of the best GMs in the game, BB and Ozzie Newsome. Neither has a stellar record drafting WRs. They aren't dumb. It's a gamble to project. I think the systems of the 2 teams have more to do with missing on the very few wr's they have selected early over the years. Kevin Colbert could find a receiver on an Ultimate Frisby team. Do you really want me to list some of the awful misses he has had as well? ...but yes, when big ben throws some people off him runs around like sandlot ball and defenders break off from coverage for a deep bomb, hello mike wallace, it makes it seem better than it is.
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 26, 2019 0:21:02 GMT -5
N'Keal Harry...The sober Josh Gordon
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 26, 2019 0:22:26 GMT -5
I think the systems of the 2 teams have more to do with missing on the very few wr's they have selected early over the years. Kevin Colbert could find a receiver on an Ultimate Frisby team. Do you really want me to list some of the awful misses he has had as well? ...but yes, when big ben throws some people off him runs around like sandlot ball and defenders break off from coverage for a deep bomb, hello mike wallace, it makes it seem better than it is. Wait a minute. Without really thinking about it. Brown JuJu Sanders Wallace Holmes Plexico....Come on
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 26, 2019 0:29:29 GMT -5
Do you really want me to list some of the awful misses he has had as well? ...but yes, when big ben throws some people off him runs around like sandlot ball and defenders break off from coverage for a deep bomb, hello mike wallace, it makes it seem better than it is. Wait a minute. Without really thinking about it. Brown JuJu Sanders Wallace Holmes Plexico....Come on Wallace not good, imo. Limas sweed, marcus wheaton, martavus bryant, that dude from Auburn last year or year before. He"s had his shares of high pick whiffs. He spends more draft capital on the position is all.
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Post by TrueChamp on Apr 26, 2019 0:33:21 GMT -5
Wait a minute. Without really thinking about it. Brown JuJu Sanders Wallace Holmes Plexico....Come on Wallace not good, imo. Limas sweed, marcus wheaton, martavus bryant, that dude from Auburn last year or year before. He"s had his shares of high pick whiffs. He spends more draft capital on the position is all. That's like saying BB missed on Ron Brace after he nailed Seymour Warren and Wilfork. Steelers are the best team in the league at drafting receivers. We might be the worst lol. As I said, they spend resources on it, we don't. Probably not a coincidence.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 26, 2019 0:39:13 GMT -5
Day 2 is stacked with a lot a players mentioned here. It is going to be interesting and I think they move up, maybe for CB Williams, S Rapp or even TE Smith, or WR Deebo S, good stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 3:15:20 GMT -5
I wonder if BB drafts interior Oline after what the rest of the AFC East drafted last night? Might be wise to have plenty of Oline depth.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 26, 2019 3:16:32 GMT -5
I wonder if BB drafts interior Oline after what the rest of the AFC East drafted last night? Might be wise to have plenty of Oline depth. Could be, I wonder how bad Taylor's knee is?
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Post by jjdbrasil on Apr 26, 2019 3:43:01 GMT -5
R2P24 S CHAUNCEY GARDNER-JOHNSON FLORIDA R2P32 OT YODNY CAJUSTE WVU R3P9 TE DAWSON KNOX MISSISSIPPI R3P33 QB JARRETT STIDHAM AUBURN R3P37 EDGE ANTHONY NELSON IOWA
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Post by jri37 on Apr 26, 2019 3:47:07 GMT -5
Just watched a bunch of stuff on this kid a bunch of different highlight packages and the one thing that stood out was how polished he seemed getting in and out of his breaks in his routes. Saw some clips also that highlighted his blocking. Besides elite speed this kid looks like the real deal could BB finally have hit on a top end WR in the draft?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 26, 2019 7:06:11 GMT -5
Random thought... can you imagine the possibilities, if they get a healthy Thomas, Gordon and Harry on the field, all at the same time?
Good luck defending that!
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Post by michiganadam on Apr 26, 2019 7:36:18 GMT -5
Random thought... can you imagine the possibilities, if they get a healthy Thomas, Gordon and Harry on the field, all at the same time? Good luck defending that! How about a gordon, Harry, burkhead, and (2) TE set. Run or pass. Real tough for the D to choose, and all can block the run or catch the ball. Harry is kind of an AH tweener, just a little closer to the WR side of the dial.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 7:37:21 GMT -5
For me Harry is a wait and see. Against Washington and a Good Defensive Backfield, he struggled. Glad he's here, but I'll be cautious, because our Track Record with big Wideouts.
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Post by michiganadam on Apr 26, 2019 7:38:17 GMT -5
New order of needs in MY mind:
TE DE OL DT(I think they are getting SUH after the comp pick date passes, my gut feeling) WR/TE which ever is greater value QB
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Apr 26, 2019 7:43:55 GMT -5
For me Harry is a wait and see. Against Washington and a Good Defensive Backfield, he struggled. Glad he's here, but I'll be cautious, because our Track Record with big Wideouts. Yup that game was a big question mark for me with him.
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