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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 30, 2019 8:48:30 GMT -5
I'm sure low will answer as well, but below are my thoughts of Williams from 4/18: I watched (3) games of Vanderbilt CB Joejuan Williams this morning:
Georgia 2018 South Carolina 2018 Ole Miss 2018
What I liked:
-I mean, the guy is huge. -Really good feet and COD, particularly for a big, tall CB. -Can smother a WR in man coverage, due to his size/length. -Solid awareness in zone. -Competitive at the catch point. -Coverage diverse. -Frequently pitted against good competition.
What I didn't like:
-He's big and long, but I think he plays small vs. the run. -I think smaller, quicker WR's and/or good route runners could give him trouble, if they get a clean release. -If he's beaten, he doesn't really have the makeup speed to recover. -His ability to stay stuck to blocks on the perimeter is a concern. -He'll tackle, but he plays like a much smaller player in that regard... didn't see much thump. -He had a really tough game vs. Georgia.
Overall: I guess I wanted to like him more than I did. I'm partial to physical DB's that generally punch up in weight-class, and feel like Williams plays smaller than he should, particularly vs. the run. I do see obvious man/zone coverage ability, and think he could be a weapon vs. TE's and bigger WR's, so I get the allure there. I don't love the player, but would be interested to see how BB would utilize him.is it safe to say that if healthy, DMC, Chung and Harmon will play 90% plus of the snaps at S? is it also safe to say that Gilmore will not come off the field if healthy, ever? that leaves the slot and the LCB to split snaps with JJackson, JMC, JJones, Dawson, Williams, Crossen. I understand Williams might have been drafted for down the road. but don't you want your #2 to play more snaps right away? Assuming health, I think it's fair to guess that DMC, Chung and Gilmore will play 90-95+% of snaps, yes. After that, there will be snaps available, and it'll be interesting to see who rises to the top between the remaining DB's mentioned above. Though at the very least they're set up for some potentially fantastic situational/match-up football... with a good mix of veterans, youth and experience.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 30, 2019 9:57:49 GMT -5
is it safe to say that if healthy, DMC, Chung and Harmon will play 90% plus of the snaps at S? is it also safe to say that Gilmore will not come off the field if healthy, ever? that leaves the slot and the LCB to split snaps with JJackson, JMC, JJones, Dawson, Williams, Crossen. I understand Williams might have been drafted for down the road. but don't you want your #2 to play more snaps right away? Assuming health, I think it's fair to guess that DMC, Chung and Gilmore will play 90-95+% of snaps, yes. After that, there will be snaps available, and it'll be interesting to see who rises to the top between the remaining DB's mentioned above. Though at the very least they're set up for some potentially fantastic situational/match-up football... with a good mix of veterans, youth and experience. Great post. Yep. NE has fantastic depth in the secondary. Lack of defensive backfield talent can derail a team's Super Bowl hopes very quickly. We know how important situations and matchups are to Belichick's winning formula, and adding a long, athletic DB like Williams will give him another option in certain situations. I love the addition.
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Post by patmando on Apr 30, 2019 10:05:50 GMT -5
Assuming health, I think it's fair to guess that DMC, Chung and Gilmore will play 90-95+% of snaps, yes. After that, there will be snaps available, and it'll be interesting to see who rises to the top between the remaining DB's mentioned above. Though at the very least they're set up for some potentially fantastic situational/match-up football... with a good mix of veterans, youth and experience. Great post. Yep. NE has fantastic depth in the secondary. Lack of defensive backfield talent can derail a team's Super Bowl hopes very quickly. We know how important situations and matchups are to Belichick's winning formula, and adding a long, athletic DB like Williams will give him another option in certain situations. I love the addition. now the question is who is going to coach them? Is BB going to just be the d coordinator? I still think there are several d positions not filled that people thought would go to greg Schiano guys. Worst part is some talented guys left because of the Schiano hire...and then he quit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 10:09:20 GMT -5
Early Prediction, Pats will use a 2020, and 2021 1st Round Pick, and 2020 3rd and 4th, Round Pick and jump high into the Draft for a QB. If the QB is the right one, that you covet, I would use a 2nd Rounder too. 2 1st, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 4th, should get you into Top 3. No?
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Post by wazzu on Apr 30, 2019 10:55:51 GMT -5
Great post. Yep. NE has fantastic depth in the secondary. Lack of defensive backfield talent can derail a team's Super Bowl hopes very quickly. We know how important situations and matchups are to Belichick's winning formula, and adding a long, athletic DB like Williams will give him another option in certain situations. I love the addition. now the question is who is going to coach them? Is BB going to just be the d coordinator? I still think there are several d positions not filled that people thought would go to greg Schiano guys. Worst part is some talented guys left because of the Schiano hire...and then he quit. If you’re seriously worried about Belichick putting together a quality coaching staff then you have way too much time on your hands.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 11:12:00 GMT -5
117 Participants in the NFL Combine went Undrafted.
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Post by olemiss on Apr 30, 2019 12:15:18 GMT -5
Well, it might be an ok draft, who really knows at this point. All I can say is BB always disappoints me with the draft, He should/could have moved up in the second round for AJ Brown - whom Vrabel at #47 was delighted to have; while BB moves up tp #45 to get JJ Williams a 6'4" amazon of a DB - our deepest position group? ? Did not like moving out of the #96 spot in the draft, where we could have gotten - as the Bills in fact did with this pick- TE Dawson Knox of Ole Miss!!!! Bama RB so unnecessary in 3rd round, imo. Liked the first round choice and the WVA lineman in the 3rd, Arkansas Danish Hog and Ken Webster in the 7th, great player who suffered serious injury a couple of years ago for the Rebs. Surprised he has made it back so far in little time.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 30, 2019 12:51:14 GMT -5
Well, it might be an ok draft, who really knows at this point. All I can say is BB always disappoints me with the draft, He should/could have moved up in the second round for AJ Brown - whom Vrabel at #47 was delighted to have; while BB moves up tp #45 to get JJ Williams a 6'4" amazon of a DB - our deepest position group? ? Did not like moving out of the #96 spot in the draft, where we could have gotten - as the Bills in fact did with this pick- TE Dawson Knox of Ole Miss!!!! Bama RB so unnecessary in 3rd round, imo. Liked the first round choice and the WVA lineman in the 3rd, Arkansas Danish Hog and Ken Webster in the 7th, great player who suffered serious injury a couple of years ago for the Rebs. Surprised he has made it back so far in little time. Yeah, I'm really happy and optimistic with the class, but there will always be other players that we would'v preferred to have. Def really wanted Knox as well.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 30, 2019 13:57:56 GMT -5
Well, it might be an ok draft, who really knows at this point. All I can say is BB always disappoints me with the draft, He should/could have moved up in the second round for AJ Brown - whom Vrabel at #47 was delighted to have; while BB moves up tp #45 to get JJ Williams a 6'4" amazon of a DB - our deepest position group? ? Did not like moving out of the #96 spot in the draft, where we could have gotten - as the Bills in fact did with this pick- TE Dawson Knox of Ole Miss!!!! Bama RB so unnecessary in 3rd round, imo. Liked the first round choice and the WVA lineman in the 3rd, Arkansas Danish Hog and Ken Webster in the 7th, great player who suffered serious injury a couple of years ago for the Rebs. Surprised he has made it back so far in little time. Is it possible that you're maybe, just MAYBE, over-rating Ole Miss guys just a little bit...like I tend to do with my Cougs? lol. This class looks awesome. I'll definitely take Belichick's moves over any of ours.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 30, 2019 15:01:58 GMT -5
Well, it might be an ok draft, who really knows at this point. All I can say is BB always disappoints me with the draft, He should/could have moved up in the second round for AJ Brown - whom Vrabel at #47 was delighted to have; while BB moves up tp #45 to get JJ Williams a 6'4" amazon of a DB - our deepest position group? ? Did not like moving out of the #96 spot in the draft, where we could have gotten - as the Bills in fact did with this pick- TE Dawson Knox of Ole Miss!!!! Bama RB so unnecessary in 3rd round, imo. Liked the first round choice and the WVA lineman in the 3rd, Arkansas Danish Hog and Ken Webster in the 7th, great player who suffered serious injury a couple of years ago for the Rebs. Surprised he has made it back so far in little time. Is it possible that you're maybe, just MAYBE, over-rating Ole Miss guys just a little bit...like I tend to do with my Cougs? lol. This class looks awesome. I'll definitely take Belichick's moves over any of ours. Wait til you hear me talk up Notre Dame S Alohi Gilman next draft cycle! Oh, and he started his career at Navy, so there'll be extra appeal!
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Apr 30, 2019 17:52:25 GMT -5
mbeaulieu07, Can you post all out picks including the UDFAs? Sure, man... see below: Draft picks: Round 1, pick 32: N’Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State Round 2, Pick 45: Joejuan Williams, DB, Vanderbilt Round 3, Pick 77: Chase Winovich, DE, Michigan Round 3, Pick 87: Damien Harris, RB, Alabama Round 3, Pick 101: Yodny Cajuste, OT, West Virginia Round 4, Pick 118: Hjalte Froholdt, OL Arkansas Round 4, Pick 133: Jarrett Stidham, QB, Auburn Round 5, Pick 159: Byron Cowart, DL, Maryland Round 5, Pick 163: Jake Bailey, P, Stanford Round 7, Pick 252: Ken Webster, CB, Ole Miss UDFA's: Xavier Ubosi, WR, UBA Jakobi Meyers, WR, NC State Calvin Anderson, OT, Texas Malik Gant, S, Marshall Terez Hall, LB, Missouri Tyree St. Louis, OL, Miami Ryan Davis, WR, Auburn Andrew Beck, TE, Texas Tyler Gauthier, OL, Miami Nick Brossette, RB, LSU Thanks appreciate.
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