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Post by thejuice on Apr 28, 2019 18:19:16 GMT -5
mbeaulieu07, Can you post all out picks including the UDFAs? Just google it. Why does MB have to do it?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 29, 2019 8:39:02 GMT -5
mbeaulieu07, Can you post all out picks including the UDFAs? Sure, man... see below: Draft picks: Round 1, pick 32: N’Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State Round 2, Pick 45: Joejuan Williams, DB, Vanderbilt Round 3, Pick 77: Chase Winovich, DE, Michigan Round 3, Pick 87: Damien Harris, RB, Alabama Round 3, Pick 101: Yodny Cajuste, OT, West Virginia Round 4, Pick 118: Hjalte Froholdt, OL Arkansas Round 4, Pick 133: Jarrett Stidham, QB, Auburn Round 5, Pick 159: Byron Cowart, DL, Maryland Round 5, Pick 163: Jake Bailey, P, Stanford Round 7, Pick 252: Ken Webster, CB, Ole Miss UDFA's: Xavier Ubosi, WR, UBA Jakobi Meyers, WR, NC State Calvin Anderson, OT, Texas Malik Gant, S, Marshall Terez Hall, LB, Missouri Tyree St. Louis, OL, Miami Ryan Davis, WR, Auburn Andrew Beck, TE, Texas Tyler Gauthier, OL, Miami Nick Brossette, RB, LSU
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 29, 2019 12:14:02 GMT -5
Wow, Xavier Ubosi a with 7.50 3C... yikes.
To put that in perspective, 4th round pick, OL Hjalte Froholdt, had a 7.51 3C.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 12:53:29 GMT -5
That is terrible. Straight, he has a another good gear. Guess that's what were getting with him.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 29, 2019 12:58:17 GMT -5
Wow, Xavier Ubosi a with 7.50 3C... yikes. To put that in perspective, 4th round pick, OL Hjalte Froholdt, had a 7.51 3C. Lol. That's hilariously bad. If any UDFA WR makes this team, I think it's Jakobi Meyers. He looks like he moves pretty well and he can go up and get the football. He's also still learning the position as he used to play QB. I like his chances to make the team pretty well. I also think Ryan Davis from Auburn is interesting. Kind of a gadget guy. I'd like to see him get a chance to develop as a Slot WR on the PS. He's got skills but looks like he will need time. Malik Gant is my other pick to make the team as an UDFA.
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Post by patslifer on Apr 29, 2019 13:16:50 GMT -5
Wow, Xavier Ubosi a with 7.50 3C... yikes. To put that in perspective, 4th round pick, OL Hjalte Froholdt, had a 7.51 3C. .....he's a long strider. ha.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 29, 2019 13:28:24 GMT -5
I find it semi interesting how much NE invested into the Center position this past weekend. Many think that Froholdt will be a Center in the NFL, although I think he could also thrive at Guard. Then NE also gave a nice UDFA bonus to Miami Center Tyler Gauthier. Maybe they feel that they will be priced out of Andrews at some point in the next year or two
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Post by patslifer on Apr 29, 2019 13:45:45 GMT -5
I find it semi interesting how much NE invested into the Center position this past weekend. Many think that Froholdt will be a Center in the NFL, although I think he could also thrive at Guard. Then NE also gave a nice UDFA bonus to Miami Center Tyler Gauthier. Maybe they feel that they will be priced out of Andrews at some point in the next year or two The Pats have Andrews for 2 more years at very cheap money for what Andrews provides. James Ferentz is listed as the Pats backup C on their depth chart. Ferentz contract and Thuney contract up after 2019. Good idea finding a possible Ferentz replacement with Gauthier. Froholdt? not sure where he would play, but might swing between LG and C..then you have my guy Cajuste who could play either tackle spot with some coaching.
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Post by ATJ on Apr 29, 2019 14:04:50 GMT -5
You know it’s interesting. OL was a position of need (at least many of us thought so). And it looks like Belichick saw 2 candidates in the draft who look really promising. So to me that says he doesn’t avoid drafting for need so long as the talent, value and availability at the right place in the draft all match.
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 29, 2019 14:23:08 GMT -5
You know it’s interesting. OL was a position of need (at least many of us thought so). And it looks like Belichick saw 2 candidates in the draft who look really promising. So to me that says he doesn’t avoid drafting for need so long as the talent, value and availability at the right place in the draft all match. Whenever anyone says draft BPA.... It's an incomplete statement. It is BPA at a position of need. Teams always have needs at many positions.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 29, 2019 14:27:31 GMT -5
You know it’s interesting. OL was a position of need (at least many of us thought so). And it looks like Belichick saw 2 candidates in the draft who look really promising. So to me that says he doesn’t avoid drafting for need so long as the talent, value and availability at the right place in the draft all match. Whenever anyone says draft BPA.... It's an incomplete statement. It is BPA at a position of need. Teams always have needs at many positions. would be interested in your thoughts Low regarding Williams understanding he is a very good CB with the size to play cover 3, and the possibility to maybe play some S, if you were to "guess" at how many CB's the team carries, and who would they be?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Apr 29, 2019 14:55:57 GMT -5
Whenever anyone says draft BPA.... It's an incomplete statement. It is BPA at a position of need. Teams always have needs at many positions. would be interested in your thoughts Low regarding Williams understanding he is a very good CB with the size to play cover 3, and the possibility to maybe play some S, if you were to "guess" at how many CB's the team carries, and who would they be? I'm sure low will answer as well, but below are my thoughts of Williams from 4/18: I watched (3) games of Vanderbilt CB Joejuan Williams this morning:
Georgia 2018 South Carolina 2018 Ole Miss 2018
What I liked:
-I mean, the guy is huge. -Really good feet and COD, particularly for a big, tall CB. -Can smother a WR in man coverage, due to his size/length. -Solid awareness in zone. -Competitive at the catch point. -Coverage diverse. -Frequently pitted against good competition.
What I didn't like:
-He's big and long, but I think he plays small vs. the run. -I think smaller, quicker WR's and/or good route runners could give him trouble, if they get a clean release. -If he's beaten, he doesn't really have the makeup speed to recover. -His ability to stay stuck to blocks on the perimeter is a concern. -He'll tackle, but he plays like a much smaller player in that regard... didn't see much thump. -He had a really tough game vs. Georgia.
Overall: I guess I wanted to like him more than I did. I'm partial to physical DB's that generally punch up in weight-class, and feel like Williams plays smaller than he should, particularly vs. the run. I do see obvious man/zone coverage ability, and think he could be a weapon vs. TE's and bigger WR's, so I get the allure there. I don't love the player, but would be interested to see how BB would utilize him.
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Post by thejuice on Apr 29, 2019 15:36:31 GMT -5
I find it semi interesting how much NE invested into the Center position this past weekend. Many think that Froholdt will be a Center in the NFL, although I think he could also thrive at Guard. Then NE also gave a nice UDFA bonus to Miami Center Tyler Gauthier. Maybe they feel that they will be priced out of Andrews at some point in the next year or two my guess is they are just trying to improve on their backups along the interior offensive line. as well as grabbing insurance in case Thuney leaves next offseason (which is highly likely).
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Post by mrmojo112058 on Apr 29, 2019 15:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 29, 2019 15:48:40 GMT -5
Classic how this guy concludes the grading of the Patriots draft class
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Post by rkarp on Apr 29, 2019 16:46:05 GMT -5
would be interested in your thoughts Low regarding Williams understanding he is a very good CB with the size to play cover 3, and the possibility to maybe play some S, if you were to "guess" at how many CB's the team carries, and who would they be? I'm sure low will answer as well, but below are my thoughts of Williams from 4/18: I watched (3) games of Vanderbilt CB Joejuan Williams this morning:
Georgia 2018 South Carolina 2018 Ole Miss 2018
What I liked:
-I mean, the guy is huge. -Really good feet and COD, particularly for a big, tall CB. -Can smother a WR in man coverage, due to his size/length. -Solid awareness in zone. -Competitive at the catch point. -Coverage diverse. -Frequently pitted against good competition.
What I didn't like:
-He's big and long, but I think he plays small vs. the run. -I think smaller, quicker WR's and/or good route runners could give him trouble, if they get a clean release. -If he's beaten, he doesn't really have the makeup speed to recover. -His ability to stay stuck to blocks on the perimeter is a concern. -He'll tackle, but he plays like a much smaller player in that regard... didn't see much thump. -He had a really tough game vs. Georgia.
Overall: I guess I wanted to like him more than I did. I'm partial to physical DB's that generally punch up in weight-class, and feel like Williams plays smaller than he should, particularly vs. the run. I do see obvious man/zone coverage ability, and think he could be a weapon vs. TE's and bigger WR's, so I get the allure there. I don't love the player, but would be interested to see how BB would utilize him.is it safe to say that if healthy, DMC, Chung and Harmon will play 90% plus of the snaps at S? is it also safe to say that Gilmore will not come off the field if healthy, ever? that leaves the slot and the LCB to split snaps with JJackson, JMC, JJones, Dawson, Williams, Crossen. I understand Williams might have been drafted for down the road. but don't you want your #2 to play more snaps right away?
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 29, 2019 17:38:19 GMT -5
Whenever anyone says draft BPA.... It's an incomplete statement. It is BPA at a position of need. Teams always have needs at many positions. would be interested in your thoughts Low regarding Williams understanding he is a very good CB with the size to play cover 3, and the possibility to maybe play some S, if you were to "guess" at how many CB's the team carries, and who would they be? Simple thoughts would be... He played in the SEC so he played against a high level of competition. He led all SEC cornerbacks in passes defended, tackles, and INTs. He had a SPARQ score of 122. 68% percentile for the position in the NFL People have compared him to Richard Sherman Sherman: 6'3", 195, 32" arms, 4.56 40, 6.82 3C, 4.33 SS, 38" VJ, 10.41 BJ, 16 BP Williams: 6'4", 211, 32 1/2" arms, 4.60 40, 6.92 3C, 4.07 SS, 36" VJ, 10.58 BJ, 17 BP While like so many players on the Patriots I am sure he is viewed as having position versatility JoeJuan told people BB told him that he sees him as a CB although he does not care where is is asked to play. BB loves, in an an ideal team build, to have various types of receivers and defensive backs to both create and erase matchup problems in games. JoeJuan gives him one of those that is difficult to find as those types are few. Just like 340 pound DTs that move like 280 pound DTs are hard to find. Here is a recap of his game vs Ole Miss who had a bunch of offensive talent Here is the catch it took for Lodge to get the TD on Williams. He has the tools. As long as he takes the coaching I think he'll be fine. He is an above avg athlete that has elite length. Just like an OT can win and be success with with Elite length without the greatest feet going. A CB can win with length without being a long speed burner. Especially on the outside if you understand the leverage game and consistently use the sideline as the additional defender. The hard part to remember is that when watching any long athlete, WR, TE, DB, they rarely if ever look like they are moving as fast as they actually are. Final thoughts are simply reiterating what I already said. He is simply a chess piece with a specific role to play on BBs grid iron board.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 29, 2019 17:41:50 GMT -5
would be interested in your thoughts Low regarding Williams understanding he is a very good CB with the size to play cover 3, and the possibility to maybe play some S, if you were to "guess" at how many CB's the team carries, and who would they be? Simple thoughts would be... He played in the SEC so he played against a high level of competition. He led all SEC cornerbacks in passes defended, tackles, and INTs. He had a SPARQ score of 122. 68% percentile for the position in the NFL People have compared him to Richard Sherman Sherman: 6'3", 195, 32" arms, 4.56 40, 6.82 3C, 4.33 SS, 38" VJ, 10.41 BJ, 16 BP Williams: 6'4", 211, 32 1/2" arms, 4.60 40, 6.92 3C, 4.07 SS, 36" VJ, 10.58 BJ, 17 BP While like so many players on the Patriots I am sure he is viewed as having position versatility JoeJuan told people BB told him that he sees him as a CB although he does not care where is is asked to play. BB loves, in an an ideal team build, to have various types of receivers and defensive backs to both create and erase matchup problems in games. JoeJuan gives him one of those that is difficult to find as those types are few. Just like 340 pound DTs that move like 280 pound DTs are hard to find. Here is a recap of his game vs Ole Miss who had a bunch of offensive talent Here is the catch it took for Lodge to get the TD on Williams. He has the tools. As long as he takes the coaching I think he'll be fine. He is an above avg athlete that has elite length. Just like an OT can win and be success with with Elite length without the greatest feet going. A CB can win with length without being a long speed burner. Especially on the outside if you understand the leverage game and consistently use the sideline as the additional defender. The hard part to remember is that when watching any long athlete, WR, TE, DB, they rarely if ever look like they are moving as fast as they actually are. Final thoughts are simply reiterating what I already said. He is simply a chess piece with a specific role to play on BBs grid iron board. Great post. Williams is well worth the 45th selection. I would have been fine with him at 32.
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Post by rkarp on Apr 29, 2019 17:56:01 GMT -5
will Williams be able to play 50% of the snaps this season holding off the other CB's on the roster? is that what should be expected of a #2 pick?
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Post by lowfbiq on Apr 29, 2019 18:24:48 GMT -5
will Williams be able to play 50% of the snaps this season holding off the other CB's on the roster? is that what should be expected of a #2 pick? That is not how I look at it. Not for a superbowl winning roster. If I could put my BB hat on I'd say, OK we did pretty well last season, stayed pretty healthy, and got most everyone back. ...but even with all that said, there were/are some things I schematically would like to be able to do but I need a player like "x" to be able to pull that off. In additional to that the schedule was released and we are going to face the following teams this season with these potential problems for us to deal with. Having a player like "x" would really help with that. If it were me that is how I would be looking at things. I am not sure I would be looking at it, if it were built and run well, as oh I need to draft a player to replace player "x" straight away and that also needs to play a minimum of 50% of snaps their rookie season. I think you want to try and avoid that "having" to be the case as often as possible. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by mrmojo112058 on Apr 29, 2019 18:28:49 GMT -5
www.patspulpit.com/2019/4/29/18522671/10-numbers-explain-new-england-patriots-10-draft-picks-nkeal-harry-chase-winovich-jarrett-stidhamThe New England Patriots made ten selections in the 2019 NFL draft, significantly bolstering the depth of their current roster while adding both starting talent and developmental potential to the team. Every one of the players picked by the Super Bowl winners brings specific strengths to the table, and here are ten statistics — compiled for most parts through Pro Football Focus’ draft guide — that help illustrate them. 1-32 WR N’Keal Harry: 135.4 N’Keal Harry is projected to serve primarily as a physical boundary receiver in New England’s offense, playing a similar role to the one held by Josh Gordon before his suspension last year. Like Gordon, the first-round rookie will likely also challenge opposing defenses deep — and his deep passing numbers from the 2018 season show that he should be up for the challenge: Harry was targeted deep 18 times and came away with 9 catches for 276 yards and 4 touchdowns. Arizona State quarterback Manny Wilkins registered a passer rating of 135.4 when going deep to the new Patriot, the highest among all of the 28 drafted wide receivers. Harry’s 14.9 yards per reception last year also reflect his abilities as a deep threat. When comparing that number to New England’s 2018 receiving group, it can be seen that only Gordon (18.0) and Chris Hogan (15.2) registered more yards per catch. 2-45 CB Joejuan Williams: 48.0 When New England traded up to draft Joejuan Williams in the second round, the team did so knowing that it would get a uncharacteristically tall cornerback that is versatile and physical enough to find success against tall receiver and tight ends. Williams’ success in this regard at Vanderbilt speaks for itself, with one number in particular standing out: he allowed only 48.0% of targets to be completed — 36 of 75 attempts. 3-77 DE Chase Winovich: 11.8 With Trey Flowers and Adrian Clayborn both leaving the team during the offseason, the Patriots needed additional bodies on the defensive edge. They found Chase Winovich in the third round to provide depth as well as playmaking ability against both the pass and the run. Versus the pass, Winovich registered 53 hurries in 2018 — 5.0 sacks, 14 quarterback hits and 34 hurries — but it is work against the ground game that really jumps off the page. Last year, the Michigan product played 288 run-defense snaps and he registered a stop on 34 of them. His run-stop percentage of 11.8% ranks him fourth among all drafted defensive linemen: only first-round picks Quinnen Williams (14.2%), Montez Sweat (12.7%) and Christian Wilkins (11.9%) were more efficient when it comes to stopping the run than the Patriots’ third pick of the 2019 draft. 3-87 RB Damien Harris: 3.2 Despite the Patriots having one of the deepest running back groups in the NFL, they opted to add to the position with the 87th overall selection. Alabama’s Damien Harris is expected to serve as the 1B back alongside 2018’s first-rounder Sony Michel, and he certainly has the abilities to serve as an early down and goal line runner in New England — one capable of grinding out positive yards through contact, as his 3.2 average yards gained after initial contact in 2018 illustrates. 3-101 OT Yodny Cajuste: 3.0 Yodny Cajuste is a developmental offensive tackle, that is expected to start his career as a backup swing tackle behind projected starters Isaiah Wynn and Marcus Cannon. While he needs to refine his technique especially in the running game, Cajuste has already been quite effective as a pass blocker: West Virginia’s left tackle surrendered quarterback pressures on just 3.0% of his 394 pass blocking snaps last year. All in all, he surrendered no sacks, and only two hits and ten hurries. 4-118 OG Hjalte Froholdt: 1.2 As is the case with Cajuste, pass blocking is also the forte of Hjalte Froholdt. In fact, the Patriots’ first selection of day three was even more successful (albeit while playing a different position): on 418 pass-blocking snaps, the Arkansas lineman surrendered just three hits and two hurries for a pressure rate of only 1.2%. While his run blocking needs some refinement, Froholdt’s fundamentals as a pass blocker certainly make for an intriguing prospect. 4-133 QB Jarrett Stidham: 123.2 The majority of Jarrett Stidham’s passing numbers do not stand out, and are likely a reason why he was still available in the fourth round. One statistic, however, pops out right away: his deep passing efficiency. The Auburn quarterback completed 18 of 51 attempts deep for 681 yards with 8 touchdowns and zero interceptions. Only one other quarterback that heard his name called — new Denver Broncos passer Drew Lock — registered a higher deep-field passer rating in 2018 than Stidham’s 123.2. 5-159 DE Byron Cowart: 2 Byron Cowart’s college career — one that started at Auburn before a transfer to Maryland — was nothing to write home about for a player that entered college as a five-star recruit. Few of his numbers do therefore jump off the page, but one stands out: the versatile lineman, who has experience playing both on the interior and the edge, registered two interceptions in 2018. New England, for comparison, did not see a lineman come up with a pick since Eric Lee accomplished the feat in week 13 of the 2017 season. 5-163 P Jake Bailey: 61.7% Even though the Patriots re-signed incumbent Ryan Allen in free agency, they brought on some competition (for the second straight year, in fact): Stanford punter Jake Bailey. Allen has the experience, but New England’s fifth-round investment is certainly an intriguing player to watch for his leg strength and his ability to potentially also take pressure off place kicker Stephen Gostkowski as a kickoff specialist. Bailey succeeded in numerous metrics last year, but one is especially impressive: of his 68 punts, 37 landed inside the opponent’s 20-yard line. His 61.7% rate on such kicks is noticeably better than Allen’s production in this area last year: New England’s punter saw only 21 of 64 punting attempts (32.8%) set the opponent up inside its own 20. Allen’s directional kicking was always one of his better attributes, so if Bailey is able to challenge him in this part of the game, New England might have someone else back in punting situations this season. 7-252 CB Ken Webster: 22.2 31 cornerbacks were drafted before Ken Webster heard his name called with the antepenultimate selection in the entire draft. Of those 31, only seven rank ahead of the Mississippi defender when it comes to forcing incomplete passes in 2018: Webster was able to get his hands on 6 of the 27 passes thrown his way last year, for a forced incompletion percentage of 22.2%. He furthermore registered a pair of interceptions and surrendered a passer rating of just 58.1 — solid numbers for the seventh-round selection.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 7:18:26 GMT -5
Finally got it 2020 Draft for the Pats. Round 1- Original Assigned Round 2- Original Assigned Round 3- Original Assigned Round 3- Comp Pick for Trey Flowers Round 3- Comp Pick For Trent Brown Round 4- Part of 2019 Draft Day Trade with Bears Round 4- Original Assigned Round 6- Original Assigned Round 6- Comp Pick for Cordarrelle Patterson Round 6- Comp Pick for Malcolm Brown Round 7- Part of the Micheal Bennett Trade from Eagles Round 7- Part of Jordan Richards Trade from Falcons Round 7- Part of Jacob Hollister Trade from Seahawks Round 7- Original Assigned Lost Round 5- Part of Micheal Bennett Trade from Eagles 14 picks.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 30, 2019 7:49:44 GMT -5
Finally got it 2020 Draft for the Pats. Round 1- Original Assigned Round 2- Original Assigned Round 3- Original Assigned Round 3- Comp Pick for Trey Flowers Round 3- Comp Pick For Trent Brown Round 4- Part of 2019 Draft Day Trade with Bears Round 4- Original Assigned Round 6- Original Assigned Round 6- Comp Pick for Cordarrelle Patterson Round 6- Comp Pick for Malcolm Brown Round 7- Part of the Micheal Bennett Trade from Eagles Round 7- Part of Jordan Richards Trade from Falcons Round 7- Part of Jacob Hollister Trade from Seahawks Round 7- Original Assigned Lost Round 5- Part of Micheal Bennett Trade from Eagles 14 picks. Geez. That’s unreal. 14 picks?! I’m sure NE will make a few trades before or during the season because that’s way more picks than they can possibly use, especially after drafting 10 guys this year. The rich get richer.
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Post by mrmojo112058 on Apr 30, 2019 8:08:37 GMT -5
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