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Post by oklahomapatriot on Jan 7, 2019 21:31:22 GMT -5
We need to draft Renfrow, hes pro ready
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 7, 2019 21:32:30 GMT -5
Question to all: What would your reaction be if BB traded up into the Top 5 to land Dwayne Haskins? OOOOH. Thought-provoking. If BB would do it, Haskins is not a bad QB to do that for. On the eyeball test, you'd have to look hard to find issues with him. We've seen worse QBs get picked in the top 3. Statistically, he is outstanding. TD/INT ratio = 6.3 Completion Rate = 70% For QBs who have more than 400 pass attempts and more than 30 TDs, the TD/INT is almost an ultimate metric. It says a lot about effectiveness in the RZ and ability to march the ball up the field to the RZ. The average college QB normally has a ratio in the 2.0-3.0 range. For reference, here are college TD/INT ratios of some notable QBs: Tua = 10; Mayfield = 7.2; Luck =3.7; R Wilson = 8.3. It's not a perfect metric. But it's pretty good indication of a decent QB at least. That said, I probably would not be happy if BB did that. I don't believe in the sure thing. They almost never are. And I believe in team balance. Betting the farm will get in the way of that. I also do not think BB would do that. BB is not the type who falls in love with a player bad enough to bet the farm on. He has show time and again he believes in team balance. Sees picks as valuable currency for doing that.I also believe that BB thinks he can coach up a decent QB to be above average and that is all the team needs to be successful. He did it in 2001.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 7, 2019 21:39:43 GMT -5
I am really liking Isaiah Simmons, but as S.
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Post by oklahomapatriot on Jan 7, 2019 21:57:38 GMT -5
Question to all: What would your reaction be if BB traded up into the Top 5 to land Dwayne Haskins? Not worth it. He's a stud but dorsnt deserve first round payday from Patriots. We should use the draft to rebuild our defense with speed
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 7, 2019 23:01:05 GMT -5
Clemson QB Trevor Lawrence is going to be a top 5 pick. I don't see hima s having a really strong arm but that will improve. He is very accurate on most throws. I have watched the NC ST game through the first two quarters... the only throw I have not seen him do is the looping 10-15 yard touch pass. I am done watching Clemson for the meantime. We'll see them again in the playoffs. I need to correct myself. T Lawrence will be a top pick.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 8, 2019 6:29:59 GMT -5
I am really liking Isaiah Simmons, but as S. Agreed... and I'll be interested to see if he comes out early.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Jan 8, 2019 8:00:53 GMT -5
Interesting to see if dabo can get some of these guys to stay. They came back to win a national championship but hoping Lamar and ferrell turn pro. Mullen as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 10:06:17 GMT -5
I know there was a ton of good players last night, I liked Anfernee Jennings game last night.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 8, 2019 10:16:58 GMT -5
I know there was a ton of good players last night, I liked Anfernee Jennings game last night. He looks like a great system for on the edge.
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Post by wazzu on Jan 8, 2019 10:29:15 GMT -5
If BB drafted nothing but Alabama and Clemson players this year, I’d be fine with that.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 8, 2019 13:02:43 GMT -5
Christian Wilkins is already on my board, but will be in the next iteration of my "Top/Favorite 20", and barring anything unforeseen, he'll be in my final "Top 5" for Rd 1 options.
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Post by lowfbiq on Jan 8, 2019 13:09:59 GMT -5
Christian Wilkins is already on my board, but will be in the next iteration of my "Top/Favorite 20", and barring anything unforeseen, he'll be in my final "Top 5" for Rd 1 options. Massachusetts boy, bring him home.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 8, 2019 13:13:33 GMT -5
Christian Wilkins is already on my board, but will be in the next iteration of my "Top/Favorite 20", and barring anything unforeseen, he'll be in my final "Top 5" for Rd 1 options. Massachusetts boy, bring him home. He's a CT boy, but that's still New England, so yes... bring him home!
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Post by lowfbiq on Jan 8, 2019 13:18:11 GMT -5
Massachusetts boy, bring him home. He's a CT boy, but that's still New England, so yes... bring him home! Whoops, guess I should have said local.
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Post by lowfbiq on Jan 8, 2019 13:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 8, 2019 14:38:26 GMT -5
He can fly, but man is he slight. We'll see what he weighs at the Combine, but if he's truly < 170 pounds, I just don't see him as an option in NE.
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Post by lowfbiq on Jan 8, 2019 14:41:02 GMT -5
He can fly, but man is he slight. We'll see what he weighs at the Combine, but if he's truly < 170 pounds, I just don't see him as an option in NE. I know nothing about him just passing along
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Post by fisher on Jan 8, 2019 16:13:13 GMT -5
He can fly, but man is he slight. We'll see what he weighs at the Combine, but if he's truly < 170 pounds, I just don't see him as an option in NE. Did they same the same thing about T Hill KC?? There are others that are weight challenged but fast and elusive
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 8, 2019 16:21:57 GMT -5
He can fly, but man is he slight. We'll see what he weighs at the Combine, but if he's truly < 170 pounds, I just don't see him as an option in NE. Did they same the same thing about T Hill KC?? There are others that are weight challenged but fast and elusive Tyreek Hill was 185 at his pro-day. Hollywood Brown is currently listed at 168 pounds (that's a big difference), so we'll see what he weights in at, at the Combine.
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Post by csylvia79 on Jan 8, 2019 18:59:50 GMT -5
I tried to look through this thread but the search function doesn't seem to be working for me. What are your thoughts if Dexter Lawrence is available at the end of round one? Is he the type of pick that dropped due to PED use that BB might take a chance with if he is there?
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 8, 2019 21:15:00 GMT -5
Did they same the same thing about T Hill KC?? There are others that are weight challenged but fast and elusive Tyreek Hill was 185 at his pro-day. Hollywood Brown is currently listed at 168 pounds (that's a big difference), so we'll see what he weights in at, at the Combine. I prefer a 4.40, 185 over a 4.25, 165.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 8, 2019 21:54:03 GMT -5
Can anyone post their lists??? Every year, I make it a point to watch a lot of college games. That way, I can see not just the players’ good plays but also plays they don’t make, even things they do off the ball. I try to come up with a priority list prior to draft coverage heating up, so I am able to assess the prospects with very little influence/sway from media hype/buzz. I don’t usually get to post them because life gets in the way and I don’t finish them. I made good progress early this year. Below are my thoughts on QB prospects… some of them may have yet to declare for the draft. A couple of caveats: 1) I am not an expert. I am just an avid student of the sport. 2) My assessments are based on games I saw (I do watch a lot of college games.), youtube videos, and stats available on the web. It is not easy to assess some of the most critical QB success factors based on those. You don’t get: a sense of: a) the most important quality of a QB – work ethic in preparing for games (studying film; sharpening the game on the field, etc.); b) film study IQ; c) on-field recognition and recognition quickness. 3) I have not checked the prospects for any off-field issues. HPIWGU = Highest Pick I Would Give Up for the QB My Top 6 QBs: 1. Dwayne Haskins (HPIWGU = 5): By far the best QB prospect, and still developing. Would do really well if he lands with a good organization. You may count out OAK. 2. Will Grier (HPIWGU = 28): Unless some new info comes up, I see no chance he will be available at 32. But if he is, I would not mind it if BB picked Grier. He was better in college than a lot of decent NFL QBs. 3. Gardner Minshew (HPIWGU = 38): 71% completion rate on 660+ pass attempts paired with a 4+ TD/INT ratio. That is statistically so exceptional. On the eye test, he looks fine. He throws many different kinds of throws for completion. 4. Jordan Love (HPIWGU = 54): My sleeper QB. To me, would be the best understudy to TB, without giving up a first round pick. Decently strong arm accurate long ball. Can throw different kinds of quick short passes consistently well. 5. Brett Rypien (HPIWGU = 64): Under the radar but IMO better than Lock, Finley or Thorson. 6. Daniel Jones (HPIWGU = 85): 7. Jarrett Stidham (HPIWGU = 100): Threw a couple decent of long balls in his bowl. Above average TD/INT. I would pick him, but for no higher than a third round comp pick. Notes on Some Notable QBs (Not necessarily because they’re not good, just not my type) 1) Kyler Murray - Very good QB but requires a system that's different from what TB is good at. I don't believe in having two QBs that play different systems. I don't believe he is good fit. Baseball and size will get him the Lamar Jackson treatment even though Murray is much better 2) Drew Lock - Looked ordinary to me. Took care of the ball in 2018 at the expense of TD output. 3) Ryan Finley - Not as accurate as his completion rate suggests. Receivers who were exceptional at winning contested balls and catching not-so-well-placed balls helped him. 4) Clayton Thorson - Over the past two years has had to worst TD/INT ratio among QBs on this post. I know that may not be entirely his fault. But I don’t have evidence now that it wasn't. 5) Nathan Stanley - Best quality: Sturdy. Average TD/INT ratio. Completion rate under 60%. 6) Nick Fitzgerald - Over the past 2 years had a completion rate under 55%. Lamar Jackson level, but he is not as athletic. 7) Eric Dungey - Another sturdy QB. Average TD/INT ratio. Completion rate around 60%. Runs too much for my taste.
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Post by wazzu on Jan 8, 2019 22:03:35 GMT -5
Can anyone post their lists??? Every year, I make it a point to watch a lot of college games. That way, I can see not just the players’ good plays but also plays they don’t make, even things they do off the ball. I try to come up with a priority list prior to draft coverage heating up, so I am able to assess the prospects with very little influence/sway from media hype/buzz. I don’t usually get to post them because life gets in the way and I don’t finish them. I made good progress early this year. Below are my thoughts on QB prospects… some of them may have yet to declare for the draft. A couple of caveats: 1) I am not an expert. I am just an avid student of the sport. 2) My assessments are based on games I saw (I do watch a lot of college games.), youtube videos, and stats available on the web. It is not easy to assess some of the most critical QB success factors based on those. You don’t get: a sense of: a) the most important quality of a QB – work ethic in preparing for games (studying film; sharpening the game on the field, etc.); b) film study IQ; c) on-field recognition and recognition quickness. 3) I have not checked the prospects for any off-field issues. HPIWGU = Highest Pick I Would Give Up for the QB My Top 6 QBs: 1. Dwayne Haskins (HPIWGU = 5): By far the best QB prospect, and still developing. Would do really well if he lands with a good organization. You may count out OAK. 2. Will Grier (HPIWGU = 28): Unless some new info comes up, I see no chance he will be available at 32. But if he is, I would not mind it if BB picked Grier. He was better in college than a lot of decent NFL QBs. 3. Gardner Minshew (HPIWGU = 38): 71% completion rate on 660+ pass attempts paired with a 4+ TD/INT ratio. That is statistically so exceptional. On the eye test, he looks fine. He throws many different kinds of throws for completion. 4. Jordan Love (HPIWGU = 54): My sleeper QB. To me, would be the best understudy to TB, without giving up a first round pick. Decently strong arm accurate long ball. Can throw different kinds of quick short passes consistently well. 5. Brett Rypien (HPIWGU = 64): Under the radar but IMO better than Lock, Finley or Thorson. 6. Daniel Jones (HPIWGU = 85): 7. Jarrett Stidham (HPIWGU = 100): Threw a couple decent of long balls in his bowl. Above average TD/INT. I would pick him, but for no higher than a third round comp pick. Notes on Some Notable QBs (Not necessarily because they’re not good, just not my type) 1) Kyler Murray - Very good QB but requires a system that's different from what TB is good at. I don't believe in having two QBs that play different systems. I don't believe he is good fit. Baseball and size will get him the Lamar Jackson treatment even though Murray is much better 2) Drew Lock - Looked ordinary to me. Took care of the ball in 2018 at the expense of TD output. 3) Ryan Finley - Not as accurate as his completion rate suggests. Receivers who were exceptional at winning contested balls and catching not-so-well-placed balls helped him. 4) Clayton Thorson - Over the past two years has had to worst TD/INT ratio among QBs on this post. I know that may not be entirely his fault. But I don’t have evidence now that it wasn't. 5) Nathan Stanley - Best quality: Sturdy. Average TD/INT ratio. Completion rate under 60%. 6) Nick Fitzgerald - Over the past 2 years had a completion rate under 55%. Lamar Jackson level, but he is not as athletic. 7) Eric Dungey - Another sturdy QB. Average TD/INT ratio. Completion rate around 60%. Runs too much for my taste. Great stuff! You probably pay closer attention year in and year out than most of the “experts.” I trust your opinion on these QBs
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Jan 8, 2019 23:16:49 GMT -5
Can anyone post their lists??? Every year, I make it a point to watch a lot of college games. That way, I can see not just the players’ good plays but also plays they don’t make, even things they do off the ball. I try to come up with a priority list prior to draft coverage heating up, so I am able to assess the prospects with very little influence/sway from media hype/buzz. I don’t usually get to post them because life gets in the way and I don’t finish them. I made good progress early this year. Below are my thoughts on QB prospects… some of them may have yet to declare for the draft. A couple of caveats: 1) I am not an expert. I am just an avid student of the sport. 2) My assessments are based on games I saw (I do watch a lot of college games.), youtube videos, and stats available on the web. It is not easy to assess some of the most critical QB success factors based on those. You don’t get: a sense of: a) the most important quality of a QB – work ethic in preparing for games (studying film; sharpening the game on the field, etc.); b) film study IQ; c) on-field recognition and recognition quickness. 3) I have not checked the prospects for any off-field issues. HPIWGU = Highest Pick I Would Give Up for the QB My Top 6 QBs: 1. Dwayne Haskins (HPIWGU = 5): By far the best QB prospect, and still developing. Would do really well if he lands with a good organization. You may count out OAK. 2. Will Grier (HPIWGU = 28): Unless some new info comes up, I see no chance he will be available at 32. But if he is, I would not mind it if BB picked Grier. He was better in college than a lot of decent NFL QBs. 3. Gardner Minshew (HPIWGU = 38): 71% completion rate on 660+ pass attempts paired with a 4+ TD/INT ratio. That is statistically so exceptional. On the eye test, he looks fine. He throws many different kinds of throws for completion. 4. Jordan Love (HPIWGU = 54): My sleeper QB. To me, would be the best understudy to TB, without giving up a first round pick. Decently strong arm accurate long ball. Can throw different kinds of quick short passes consistently well. 5. Brett Rypien (HPIWGU = 64): Under the radar but IMO better than Lock, Finley or Thorson. 6. Daniel Jones (HPIWGU = 85): 7. Jarrett Stidham (HPIWGU = 100): Threw a couple decent of long balls in his bowl. Above average TD/INT. I would pick him, but for no higher than a third round comp pick. Notes on Some Notable QBs (Not necessarily because they’re not good, just not my type) 1) Kyler Murray - Very good QB but requires a system that's different from what TB is good at. I don't believe in having two QBs that play different systems. I don't believe he is good fit. Baseball and size will get him the Lamar Jackson treatment even though Murray is much better 2) Drew Lock - Looked ordinary to me. Took care of the ball in 2018 at the expense of TD output. 3) Ryan Finley - Not as accurate as his completion rate suggests. Receivers who were exceptional at winning contested balls and catching not-so-well-placed balls helped him. 4) Clayton Thorson - Over the past two years has had to worst TD/INT ratio among QBs on this post. I know that may not be entirely his fault. But I don’t have evidence now that it wasn't. 5) Nathan Stanley - Best quality: Sturdy. Average TD/INT ratio. Completion rate under 60%. 6) Nick Fitzgerald - Over the past 2 years had a completion rate under 55%. Lamar Jackson level, but he is not as athletic. 7) Eric Dungey - Another sturdy QB. Average TD/INT ratio. Completion rate around 60%. Runs too much for my taste. I like Rypien. I wouldn’t mind if we drafted him. Stands well in the pocket. 4 year guy. Good accuracy.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 9, 2019 1:44:10 GMT -5
Every year, I make it a point to watch a lot of college games. That way, I can see not just the players’ good plays but also plays they don’t make, even things they do off the ball. I try to come up with a priority list prior to draft coverage heating up, so I am able to assess the prospects with very little influence/sway from media hype/buzz. I don’t usually get to post them because life gets in the way and I don’t finish them. I made good progress early this year. Below are my thoughts on QB prospects… some of them may have yet to declare for the draft. A couple of caveats: 1) I am not an expert. I am just an avid student of the sport. 2) My assessments are based on games I saw (I do watch a lot of college games.), youtube videos, and stats available on the web. It is not easy to assess some of the most critical QB success factors based on those. You don’t get: a sense of: a) the most important quality of a QB – work ethic in preparing for games (studying film; sharpening the game on the field, etc.); b) film study IQ; c) on-field recognition and recognition quickness. 3) I have not checked the prospects for any off-field issues. HPIWGU = Highest Pick I Would Give Up for the QB My Top 6 QBs: 1. Dwayne Haskins (HPIWGU = 5): By far the best QB prospect, and still developing. Would do really well if he lands with a good organization. You may count out OAK. 2. Will Grier (HPIWGU = 28): Unless some new info comes up, I see no chance he will be available at 32. But if he is, I would not mind it if BB picked Grier. He was better in college than a lot of decent NFL QBs. 3. Gardner Minshew (HPIWGU = 38): 71% completion rate on 660+ pass attempts paired with a 4+ TD/INT ratio. That is statistically so exceptional. On the eye test, he looks fine. He throws many different kinds of throws for completion. 4. Jordan Love (HPIWGU = 54): My sleeper QB. To me, would be the best understudy to TB, without giving up a first round pick. Decently strong arm accurate long ball. Can throw different kinds of quick short passes consistently well. 5. Brett Rypien (HPIWGU = 64): Under the radar but IMO better than Lock, Finley or Thorson. 6. Daniel Jones (HPIWGU = 85): 7. Jarrett Stidham (HPIWGU = 100): Threw a couple decent of long balls in his bowl. Above average TD/INT. I would pick him, but for no higher than a third round comp pick. Notes on Some Notable QBs (Not necessarily because they’re not good, just not my type) 1) Kyler Murray - Very good QB but requires a system that's different from what TB is good at. I don't believe in having two QBs that play different systems. I don't believe he is good fit. Baseball and size will get him the Lamar Jackson treatment even though Murray is much better 2) Drew Lock - Looked ordinary to me. Took care of the ball in 2018 at the expense of TD output. 3) Ryan Finley - Not as accurate as his completion rate suggests. Receivers who were exceptional at winning contested balls and catching not-so-well-placed balls helped him. 4) Clayton Thorson - Over the past two years has had to worst TD/INT ratio among QBs on this post. I know that may not be entirely his fault. But I don’t have evidence now that it wasn't. 5) Nathan Stanley - Best quality: Sturdy. Average TD/INT ratio. Completion rate under 60%. 6) Nick Fitzgerald - Over the past 2 years had a completion rate under 55%. Lamar Jackson level, but he is not as athletic. 7) Eric Dungey - Another sturdy QB. Average TD/INT ratio. Completion rate around 60%. Runs too much for my taste. Great stuff! You probably pay closer attention year in and year out than most of the “experts.” I trust your opinion on these QBs Thanks, man.
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