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Post by lowfbiq on Jan 12, 2019 11:07:50 GMT -5
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Post by lowfbiq on Jan 12, 2019 11:11:06 GMT -5
Question to everyone: Who are your Top 5 non-QB targets for the end of Rd 1, if NE keeps their pick? Give me a list(expected avail) to pick from O'draft master and I'll start having a quick look.
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Post by fisher on Jan 12, 2019 11:55:36 GMT -5
My 5...
D Lawrence Z Allen J. Ferguson A Bryant D Bush
Lawrence probably won't be there but .....
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Jan 12, 2019 12:47:42 GMT -5
Auburn DT Derrick Brown is returning to school. A little shocking. I think he could have been a top 10 pick with a good combine.
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Post by lowfbiq on Jan 12, 2019 14:23:10 GMT -5
MB, hearing some people say they think the Safety class is weak. Vague, so don't know what they mean(maybe top heavy, little depth?). How do you see it?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 12, 2019 14:49:12 GMT -5
MB, hearing some people say they think the Safety class is weak. Vague, so don't know what they mean(maybe top heavy, little depth?). How do you see it? Personally, I kinda like the S class, or at least as it pertains to NE. I think you could pull a starting caliber player out of the first 2 rounds, with Deionte Thompson, Taylor Rapp, Nasir Adderley, Amani Hooker and Juan Thornhill all being players that I like in that range. You also have players like Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Jaquan Johnson and Jonathan Abram (and maybe a few others... not particularly high on Abram, due to missed tackles) as players that could be off the board on Day 2. Of that group, I'm really focused on Rapp, Adderley, Hooker and Thornhill... with Rapp still being the player that I covet most at the end of Rd 1.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 12, 2019 14:58:49 GMT -5
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 12, 2019 15:07:44 GMT -5
Loved that Iowa manned Amani Hooker up on Hakeem Butler for multiple goal line snaps. Tough RZ match-up for anyone, with Butler being 6-5 225. They went right at that match-up on one of the throws, and Hooker had him smothered. He looks very Chung like to me, with his ability to do a lot of things on the field, particularly down in the box, and in the slot.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 12, 2019 15:13:27 GMT -5
MB, hearing some people say they think the Safety class is weak. Vague, so don't know what they mean(maybe top heavy, little depth?). How do you see it? Interesting opinion from people. Interesting question from you. I don't know if it's related, but I have been observing that over the recent years LBs in college are getting smaller, albeit some of them faster. Could it be that some guys who would have been playing safety a decade ago are playing LB now? If you ask me, it's actually the LB that seems to be most different to draft every year - especially one that fits parameters of those who have been successful in BB's system in the past
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 12, 2019 15:27:09 GMT -5
MB, hearing some people say they think the Safety class is weak. Vague, so don't know what they mean(maybe top heavy, little depth?). How do you see it? Interesting opinion from people. Interesting question from you. I don't know if it's related, but I have been observing that over the recent years LBs in college are getting smaller, albeit some of them faster. Could it be that some guys who would have been playing safety a decade ago are playing LB now? If you ask me, it's actually the LB that seems to be most different to draft every year - especially one that fits parameters of those who have been successful in BB's system in the past BB def has his type, and I'm still having problems putting a <240 LB on my board, without calling him a "hybrid" defender, as while he's shown a willingness to draft "smaller" LB's, it's generally been later on Day 3. 6-1 to 6-3 240+ seems to be where he likes his LB's to be.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 12, 2019 15:31:06 GMT -5
Interesting opinion from people. Interesting question from you. I don't know if it's related, but I have been observing that over the recent years LBs in college are getting smaller, albeit some of them faster. Could it be that some guys who would have been playing safety a decade ago are playing LB now? If you ask me, it's actually the LB that seems to be most different to draft every year - especially one that fits parameters of those who have been successful in BB's system in the past BB def has his type, and I'm still having problems putting a <240 LB on my board, without calling him a "hybrid" defender, as while he's shown a willingness to draft "smaller" LB's, it's generally been later on Day 3. 6-1 to 6-3 240+ seems to be where he likes his LB's to be. You will have to remind me which LBs weighing less than 240 at the draft, who saw success in a Pats uniform. I am not talking about those who were drafted by other teams then moved to NE later in their career. I struggle to come up with names.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 12, 2019 15:45:34 GMT -5
BB def has his type, and I'm still having problems putting a <240 LB on my board, without calling him a "hybrid" defender, as while he's shown a willingness to draft "smaller" LB's, it's generally been later on Day 3. 6-1 to 6-3 240+ seems to be where he likes his LB's to be. You will have to remind me which LBs weighing less than 240 at the draft, who saw success in a Pats uniform. I am not talking about those who were drafted by other teams then moved to NE later in their career. I struggle to come up with names. Elandon Roberts is prob the only one.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 12, 2019 15:51:08 GMT -5
You will have to remind me which LBs weighing less than 240 at the draft, who saw success in a Pats uniform. I am not talking about those who were drafted by other teams then moved to NE later in their career. I struggle to come up with names. Elandon Roberts is prob the only one. And I consider him decent, not someone who has really made a big impact. Yet, I like him more than most posters here.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 12, 2019 16:08:14 GMT -5
Elandon Roberts is prob the only one. And I consider him decent, not someone who has really made a big impact. Yet, I like him more than most posters here. Yeah, I mean the qty of players isn't large, and includes names like Matthew Wells, Kamu Grugier-Hill, Bo Ruud and Oscar Lua, etc.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 12, 2019 16:16:41 GMT -5
And I consider him decent, not someone who has really made a big impact. Yet, I like him more than most posters here. Yeah, I mean the qty of players isn't large, and includes names like Matthew Wells, Kamu Grugier-Hill, Bo Ruud and Oscar Lua, etc. So going back to the topic of safeties in the draft. I agree the crop isn't bad. And I actually think some kids who are splitting their snaps at S and LB or even those playing LB full time in college could be at least decent safeties in the NFL.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 12, 2019 16:28:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean the qty of players isn't large, and includes names like Matthew Wells, Kamu Grugier-Hill, Bo Ruud and Oscar Lua, etc. So going back to the topic of safeties in the draft. I agree the crop isn't bad. And I actually think some kids who are splitting their snaps at S and LB or even those playing LB full time in college could be at least decent safeties in the NFL. Players like Florida's Vosean Joseph and Clemson's Isaiah Simmons (if he declares) come to mind... heck, I like Clemson's other safety, Tanner Muse (prob a 2020 prospect), in that capacity as well.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 12, 2019 16:39:30 GMT -5
So going back to the topic of safeties in the draft. I agree the crop isn't bad. And I actually think some kids who are splitting their snaps at S and LB or even those playing LB full time in college could be at least decent safeties in the NFL. Players like Florida's Vosean Joseph and Clemson's Isaiah Simmons (if he declares) come to mind... heck, I like Clemson's other safety, Tanner Muse (prob a 2020 prospect), in that capacity as well. Exactly
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 12, 2019 16:43:58 GMT -5
Players like Florida's Vosean Joseph and Clemson's Isaiah Simmons (if he declares) come to mind... heck, I like Clemson's other safety, Tanner Muse (prob a 2020 prospect), in that capacity as well. Exactly And Utah's Cody Barton is a sleeper name at LB that you should look into. Read an article about him on thedraftnetwork.com, and really liked his tape. I also liked him better than his LB mate, Chase Hansen... who was a name that I was high on previously.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 12, 2019 19:06:24 GMT -5
So going back to the topic of safeties in the draft. I agree the crop isn't bad. And I actually think some kids who are splitting their snaps at S and LB or even those playing LB full time in college could be at least decent safeties in the NFL. Players like Florida's Vosean Joseph and Clemson's Isaiah Simmons (if he declares) come to mind... heck, I like Clemson's other safety, Tanner Muse (prob a 2020 prospect), in that capacity as well. Yup. We've talked about Simmons before. Joseph is another good example. In the NFL, he's not gonna be much of an LB. But I think he can be a really good SS. I like how he tackles. He is not afraid of going on a full frontal tackle. He arm wraps, but will also hit hard. I don't know how fast he will be on the 40, but he reads fast and can get to the ball carrier fast.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 12, 2019 19:13:36 GMT -5
Players like Florida's Vosean Joseph and Clemson's Isaiah Simmons (if he declares) come to mind... heck, I like Clemson's other safety, Tanner Muse (prob a 2020 prospect), in that capacity as well. Yup. We've talked about Simmons before. Joseph is another good example. In the NFL, he's not gonna be much of an LB. But I think he can be a really good SS. I like how he tackles. He is not afraid of going on a full frontal tackle. He arm wraps, but will also hit hard. I don't know how fast he will be on the 40, but he reads fast and can get to the ball carrier fast. Yeah, he looks like a weak-side backer (maybe in Atlanta's scheme?), or some sort of weak-side/SS combo, for the reasons you mention. Heck of a football player... that goal line play where he destroyed the QB was fantastic.
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Post by lowfbiq on Jan 12, 2019 19:20:31 GMT -5
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Post by philskiw on Jan 12, 2019 19:23:31 GMT -5
If we want to beat KC we need to play hurry up.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 12, 2019 19:31:55 GMT -5
If we want to beat KC we need to play hurry up. Posting in the right threat?
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 12, 2019 19:41:18 GMT -5
Yup. We've talked about Simmons before. Joseph is another good example. In the NFL, he's not gonna be much of an LB. But I think he can be a really good SS. I like how he tackles. He is not afraid of going on a full frontal tackle. He arm wraps, but will also hit hard. I don't know how fast he will be on the 40, but he reads fast and can get to the ball carrier fast. Yeah, he looks like a weak-side backer (maybe in Atlanta's scheme?), or some sort of weak-side/SS combo, for the reasons you mention. Heck of a football player... that goal line play where he destroyed the QB was fantastic. Just saw it on youtube. That was badass. It looked like the QB ran onto a brick wall - steel rebar reinforced
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 12, 2019 19:41:57 GMT -5
If we want to beat KC we need to play hurry up. Posting in the right threat? I do that too.
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