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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 15, 2019 9:19:35 GMT -5
Russell Wilson was 5105 - 204 at the 2012 Combine.
Kyler Murray is listed at 5-10 195, and appears to be close to that. We'll see what his true measurables are at the Combine.
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Post by wazzu on Jan 15, 2019 9:29:47 GMT -5
Russell Wilson was 5105 - 204 at the 2012 Combine. Kyler Murray is listed at 5-10 195, and appears to be close to that. We'll see what his true measurables are at the Combine. Yeah, we'll see what they measure him at. If he's truly 5'10", I'd still consider him. If he's much shorter than that, it would be a deal breaker for me. His hand size will be another key measurement for me. Obviously NE is a cold weather team, and I don't want a QB with small hands.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 15, 2019 9:38:51 GMT -5
Russell Wilson was 5105 - 204 at the 2012 Combine. Kyler Murray is listed at 5-10 195, and appears to be close to that. We'll see what his true measurables are at the Combine. Yeah, we'll see what they measure him at. If he's truly 5'10", I'd still consider him. If he's much shorter than that, it would be a deal breaker for me. His hand size will be another key measurement for me. Obviously NE is a cold weather team, and I don't want a QB with small hands. Yeah, ideally his hands are somewhere between Garoppolo's 9 1/4, and Russell Wilson's 10 1/4.
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Post by patriotsnumero1fan on Jan 15, 2019 9:49:32 GMT -5
Yeah, we'll see what they measure him at. If he's truly 5'10", I'd still consider him. If he's much shorter than that, it would be a deal breaker for me. His hand size will be another key measurement for me. Obviously NE is a cold weather team, and I don't want a QB with small hands. Yeah, ideally his hands are somewhere between Garoppolo's 9 1/4, and Russell Wilson's 10 1/4. Tua has big mitts. Similar to wilson over 10.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 15, 2019 9:56:05 GMT -5
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Post by jjdbrasil on Jan 15, 2019 10:01:56 GMT -5
29: R1P29 QB DANIEL JONES DUKE 56: R2P24 TE T.J. HOCKENSON IOWA 61: R2P29 LB TRE LAMAR CLEMSON 73: R3P9 WR DEEBO SAMUEL SOUTH CAROLINA 97: R3P33 EDGE JOE JACKSON MIAMI (FL) 101: R3P37 DL DONTAVIUS RUSSELL AUBURN 131: R4P29 S WILL HARRIS BOSTON COLLEGE 175: R5P36 CB ALIJAH HOLDER STANFORD 241: R7P25 OT JACKSON BARTON UTAH 245: R7P29 CB JOEJUAN WILLIAMS VANDERBILT 252: R7P36 G HJALTE FROHOLDT ARKANSAS
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Post by wazzu on Jan 15, 2019 10:08:54 GMT -5
29: R1P29 QB DANIEL JONES DUKE 56: R2P24 TE T.J. HOCKENSON IOWA 61: R2P29 LB TRE LAMAR CLEMSON 73: R3P9 WR DEEBO SAMUEL SOUTH CAROLINA 97: R3P33 EDGE JOE JACKSON MIAMI (FL) 101: R3P37 DL DONTAVIUS RUSSELL AUBURN 131: R4P29 S WILL HARRIS BOSTON COLLEGE 175: R5P36 CB ALIJAH HOLDER STANFORD 241: R7P25 OT JACKSON BARTON UTAH 245: R7P29 CB JOEJUAN WILLIAMS VANDERBILT 252: R7P36 G HJALTE FROHOLDT ARKANSAS Good job. I like it. I don’t think Hockenson gets close to 56, though
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 15, 2019 10:11:38 GMT -5
29: R1P29 QB DANIEL JONES DUKE 56: R2P24 TE T.J. HOCKENSON IOWA 61: R2P29 LB TRE LAMAR CLEMSON 73: R3P9 WR DEEBO SAMUEL SOUTH CAROLINA 97: R3P33 EDGE JOE JACKSON MIAMI (FL) 101: R3P37 DL DONTAVIUS RUSSELL AUBURN 131: R4P29 S WILL HARRIS BOSTON COLLEGE 175: R5P36 CB ALIJAH HOLDER STANFORD 241: R7P25 OT JACKSON BARTON UTAH 245: R7P29 CB JOEJUAN WILLIAMS VANDERBILT 252: R7P36 G HJALTE FROHOLDT ARKANSAS Love the first (4).. and Harris has flashed a bit to me on tape, when watching his higher rated S mate, Lukas Denis.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 15, 2019 10:12:17 GMT -5
29: R1P29 QB DANIEL JONES DUKE 56: R2P24 TE T.J. HOCKENSON IOWA 61: R2P29 LB TRE LAMAR CLEMSON 73: R3P9 WR DEEBO SAMUEL SOUTH CAROLINA 97: R3P33 EDGE JOE JACKSON MIAMI (FL) 101: R3P37 DL DONTAVIUS RUSSELL AUBURN 131: R4P29 S WILL HARRIS BOSTON COLLEGE 175: R5P36 CB ALIJAH HOLDER STANFORD 241: R7P25 OT JACKSON BARTON UTAH 245: R7P29 CB JOEJUAN WILLIAMS VANDERBILT 252: R7P36 G HJALTE FROHOLDT ARKANSAS Good job. I like it. I don’t think Hockenson gets close to 56, though Yeah, I'm on him at #29 if he's there.
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Post by fisher on Jan 15, 2019 10:54:52 GMT -5
Based on what the patriots scouts are instructed to scout and their understanding of what BB/NC look for in a player to draft, would love to see their final draft board ..
Just 1-100.. I would tell anyone 🤐🤐🤐
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 15, 2019 11:07:57 GMT -5
Based on what the patriots scouts are instructed to scout and their understanding of what BB/NC look for in a player to draft, would love to see their final draft board .. Just 1-100.. I would tell anyone 🤐🤐🤐 I've said it before, but I would pay $100 (or more) to have full visibility to the Patriots War Room on draft day.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 15, 2019 13:44:08 GMT -5
While I don't expect BB to select another RB in the first (3) rounds, man would I love to see Georgia's Elijah Holyfield in a Patriots uniform... he's the "Real Deal"! He isn't the biggest back in the world (listed 5-11 215, which is almost identical to Sony Michel), but he runs with a whole lot of juice and energy behind his pads, and I like his vision and quick feet. He's gonna make some team really happy... and it's mind-blowing how much RB talent has flowed through Athens in recent years, as you've had Gurley, Michel, Chubb, Crowell, Moreno and Holyfield since 2008... and D'Andre Swift might be the #1 back in the 2020 draft, if he declares.
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Post by lowfbiq on Jan 15, 2019 16:09:26 GMT -5
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Post by wazzu on Jan 15, 2019 16:46:14 GMT -5
Here's my First Attempt at a 2019 Patriots Mock Draft... For Now I'll Assume we end up with #32 Pick #32 Taylor Raap S UW #56 via CHI Dre'Mont Jones DT Ohio St. #64 Riley Ridley WR Georgia #73 Tre Lamar LB Clemson 3rd Rnd Comp Chase Winovich DL Michigan 3rd Rnd Comp Kaden Smith TE Stanford 4th Rnd Paris Campbell WR Ohio St. 7th Rnd Gardner Minshew QB Wazzu 7th Comp Jawaan Taylor OT Florida 7th Comp Zach Gentry TE Michigan
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 15, 2019 21:01:04 GMT -5
I find it interesting that Murray is mocked to NYG - much higher than Grier who was mocked to NEP. To me, Murray to NYG is a weird pick. Does he make sense as a backup to Eli? What do I know of course, but wouldn't the transition from Eli to Grier be easier than the transition from Eli to Murray? Or are they dropping Eli? Is Murray Shurmur's type of QB? Does NYG have the OL that can protect the QB? So many questions.
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Post by jjdbrasil on Jan 16, 2019 3:27:40 GMT -5
Hey PFF, where is T. J. Hockenson?
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Post by quagmire3 on Jan 16, 2019 9:04:40 GMT -5
MB- if Derek Rivers we’re coming out this year where would you rank him, or how high? Can’t temember your thoughts on him when he came out. Other than the knee do you have any opinions on his progress or lack thereof?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 16, 2019 10:09:24 GMT -5
MB- if Derek Rivers we’re coming out this year where would you rank him, or how high? Can’t temember your thoughts on him when he came out. Other than the knee do you have any opinions on his progress or lack thereof? I had Rivers as a Rd 3 option in my final 2017 mock, and that seemed about right, based on his premium athleticism, combined with small school production, and what I felt was a lacking motor in pursuit. The injury hasn't helped, and he hasn't been used much in 2018, so 2019 could be a make or break year for him. I looked back at the 2017 Draft Thread and found the below opinions that I had posted about him: "Player 1: 6034-250, 4.64 40, 7.10 3C, 41.5 VJ, 11-7 BJ, 19 @ 225 (EDIT: Jamie Collins)
Player 2: 6041-248, 4.61 40, 6.91 3C, 35.0 VJ, 10.3 BJ, 30 @ 225 (EDIT: Derek Rivers)
If BB is looking to address a "need" at 72, he could potentially fill it, by adding a player with premium athleticism, similar to that of a former Patriots LB (player 1 above), he also had outstanding production in college, albeit at a lower level. I don't know if the player will be available when they're on the clock, but if he is, he makes a ton of sense, and would qualify as the type of off the radar pick that BB has been known for.
Who am I referring to?"
And
"His (EDIT: Samson Ebukam) motor, "compete level" and effort in pursuit is up there with Budda's (EDIT: Budda Baker) (as good as it gets) and is much, much, MUCH better than that of a kid that I had profiled yesterday (Derek Rivers). Rivers gave a very good effort up the field, but didn't see him do a whole lot of running when the play was away from him,..."
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 16, 2019 10:15:54 GMT -5
Man, talk about a troika of athleticism if the NYG add Kyler Murray to the duo of Barkley and Beckham. And if they feel like Grier is the next franchise guy, that pick is a no-brainer.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 16, 2019 10:29:37 GMT -5
Here's my First Attempt at a 2019 Patriots Mock Draft... For Now I'll Assume we end up with #32 Pick Man, I'd take this haul all day!#32 Taylor Raap S UW Hell yeah!
#56 via CHI Dre'Mont Jones DT Ohio St. If they pop on Jones, it tells me that they're looking to add some juice to the interior pass-rush, and are comfortable with him being a liability against the run at times. I wouldn't necessarily call him a good fit, as they generally like more dual purpose type DT's, but the PR potential and movement ability are intriguing. #64 Riley Ridley WR Georgia He's a steal at this spot, IMO. Love the combo of size, athleticism and route-running, and I think he could be a stud at the pro level. #73 Tre Lamar LB Clemson Very good system/scheme/org fit. 3rd Rnd Comp Chase Winovich DL Michigan High-motor edge help... I like it.
3rd Rnd Comp Kaden Smith TE Stanford Another hell yeah!4th Rnd Paris Campbell WR Ohio St. Good spot for a fast, athletic developmental WR, and I think he'll probably go higher. He's prob more Bethel Johnson than Deion Branch in that he's more athlete than seasoned route runner/technician. 7th Rnd Gardner Minshew QB Wazzu I like him at any spot in the middle rounds or day 3. 7th Comp Jawaan Taylor OT Florida You can never have too many tackles and have seen him a lot higher in mocks/rankings. 7th Comp Zach Gentry TE Michigan I'd like to see the double on the position in this draft, so.
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Post by wazzu on Jan 16, 2019 12:16:14 GMT -5
Here's my First Attempt at a 2019 Patriots Mock Draft... For Now I'll Assume we end up with #32 Pick Man, I'd take this haul all day!#32 Taylor Raap S UW Hell yeah!
#56 via CHI Dre'Mont Jones DT Ohio St. If they pop on Jones, it tells me that they're looking to add some juice to the interior pass-rush, and are comfortable with him being a liability against the run at times. I wouldn't necessarily call him a good fit, as they generally like more dual purpose type DT's, but the PR potential and movement ability are intriguing. #64 Riley Ridley WR Georgia He's a steal at this spot, IMO. Love the combo of size, athleticism and route-running, and I think he could be a stud at the pro level. #73 Tre Lamar LB Clemson Very good system/scheme/org fit. 3rd Rnd Comp Chase Winovich DL Michigan High-motor edge help... I like it.
3rd Rnd Comp Kaden Smith TE Stanford Another hell yeah!4th Rnd Paris Campbell WR Ohio St. Good spot for a fast, athletic developmental WR, and I think he'll probably go higher. He's prob more Bethel Johnson than Deion Branch in that he's more athlete than seasoned route runner/technician. 7th Rnd Gardner Minshew QB Wazzu I like him at any spot in the middle rounds or day 3. 7th Comp Jawaan Taylor OT Florida You can never have too many tackles and have seen him a lot higher in mocks/rankings. 7th Comp Zach Gentry TE Michigan I'd like to see the double on the position in this draft, so. Yeah, Man. Thanks. It's way too early to try to pin down draft position, so of course some of these guys will go quite a bit higher or lower than I have them slotted, but these are some guys who I like and who I think could be on BB's radar. NE has a lot of ammo to work with this year, which is awesome.
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Post by quagmire3 on Jan 16, 2019 12:49:08 GMT -5
MB- if Derek Rivers we’re coming out this year where would you rank him, or how high? Can’t temember your thoughts on him when he came out. Other than the knee do you have any opinions on his progress or lack thereof? I had Rivers as a Rd 3 option in my final 2017 mock, and that seemed about right, based on his premium athleticism, combined with small school production, and what I felt was a lacking motor in pursuit. The injury hasn't helped, and he hasn't been used much in 2018, so 2019 could be a make or break year for him. I looked back at the 2017 Draft Thread and found the below opinions that I had posted about him: "Player 1: 6034-250, 4.64 40, 7.10 3C, 41.5 VJ, 11-7 BJ, 19 @ 225 (EDIT: Jamie Collins)
Player 2: 6041-248, 4.61 40, 6.91 3C, 35.0 VJ, 10.3 BJ, 30 @ 225 (EDIT: Derek Rivers)
If BB is looking to address a "need" at 72, he could potentially fill it, by adding a player with premium athleticism, similar to that of a former Patriots LB (player 1 above), he also had outstanding production in college, albeit at a lower level. I don't know if the player will be available when they're on the clock, but if he is, he makes a ton of sense, and would qualify as the type of off the radar pick that BB has been known for.
Who am I referring to?"
And
"His (EDIT: Samson Ebukam) motor, "compete level" and effort in pursuit is up there with Budda's (EDIT: Budda Baker) (as good as it gets) and is much, much, MUCH better than that of a kid that I had profiled yesterday (Derek Rivers). Rivers gave a very good effort up the field, but didn't see him do a whole lot of running when the play was away from him,..."good stuff, thanks! I am still holding out hope that he makes an impact
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Jan 16, 2019 22:38:20 GMT -5
Would it not make more sense for NYG to go after Foles in FA? PHI is not likely to pay him $20M to be a backup. There's gotta be some grudge developed there when PHI announced they will staying with Wentz as the starter, after what Foles has done. He may want to be on a team where he can stick it to PHI.Also, it's the situation he thrives in - not the starter but the starter isn't gonna stay a starter. Lastly, if I were him I would not mind playing next to Barkley. I am guessing they might have competition for him in WAS and JAX... maybe DEN?
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 17, 2019 13:44:25 GMT -5
Would it not make more sense for NYG to go after Foles in FA? PHI is not likely to pay him $20M to be a backup. There's gotta be some grudge developed there when PHI announced they will staying with Wentz as the starter, after what Foles has done. He may want to be on a team where he can stick it to PHI.Also, it's the situation he thrives in - not the starter but the starter isn't gonna stay a starter. Lastly, if I were him I would not mind playing next to Barkley. I am guessing they might have competition for him in WAS and JAX... maybe DEN? Yeah, I think he'll be high on multiple teams radars, for sure... and Shurmur already had Foles, when he was the OC for Philly in '13 and '14, so there's familiarity.
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Post by mbeaulieu07 on Jan 17, 2019 13:47:39 GMT -5
Apparently my boy Easton Stick is not having a good week at Shrine practices,
Meanwhile, Ole Miss QB Jordan Ta'amu has looked very good... might be a possible Day 2 target for them, which will make at least one poster on this board/thread extremely happy, haha.
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