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Post by pauldeba on Apr 27, 2016 18:14:50 GMT -5
Obama must respond to any petition with 100,000 Signatures in 30 Days
An Executive Order putting a permanent stay on Goodell's Labor Action would end this quickly and Obama is a lame duck and has been loose with Executive Orders
Clement is a raging Republican that fought Gay Marriage against the Government
A carefully worded pro-labor statement about the abuses of Management against workers invoking Clement's name and the facts might get some sympathy
Should we at least try and get an official response?
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Post by pauldeba on Apr 27, 2016 18:17:37 GMT -5
Try through Patriots Press Relations Stacey James to get the ball rolling?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 21:24:23 GMT -5
An Obama appointee cooked Tom's goose. I highly doubt Barry would help the guy who snubbed him on the WH visit. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if he had a brief phone call with his boy Chin about the decision before the fact.
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Post by muzwell on Apr 27, 2016 21:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by pezz4pats on Apr 27, 2016 21:45:43 GMT -5
An Obama appointee cooked Tom's goose. I highly doubt Barry would help the guy who snubbed him on the WH visit. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if he had a brief phone call with his boy Chin about the decision before the fact. Sad to say but I wouldn't doubt that a tiny bit
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Post by pauldeba on Apr 27, 2016 21:57:59 GMT -5
An Obama appointee cooked Tom's goose. I highly doubt Barry would help the guy who snubbed him on the WH visit. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if he had a brief phone call with his boy Chin about the decision before the fact. ouch, forgot about that, it would still be worthwhile to get a response and try to pepper the petition with labor claims and Obama enemies being on the other side. Sliming Clement is something Obama wants and he is probably neutral on Brady.
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Post by prolate0spheroid on Apr 27, 2016 22:04:08 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but somehow I don't think this is high on the President's radar.
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Post by pauldeba on Apr 27, 2016 22:13:43 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but somehow I don't think this is high on the President's radar. sorry, asshole but he MUST respond to a petition with 100,000 signatures in 30 days. Need to find ignore button here
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 22:15:37 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but somehow I don't think this is high on the President's radar. It was high enough on his radar for both him and his minion to take shots at us about it.
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Post by irishmob7 on Apr 27, 2016 22:18:05 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but somehow I don't think this is high on the President's radar. Agreed. Scheduling his next international golf trip is way more important than petty things like labor law, our national debt exceeding GDP and ISIS reigning hell all over the world
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 22:18:19 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but somehow I don't think this is high on the President's radar. sorry, asshole but he MUST respond to a petition with 100,000 signatures in 30 days. Need to find ignore button here I see you have prostate0sphinctoid's character assessed perfectly. Well described.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 22:20:43 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but somehow I don't think this is high on the President's radar. Agreed. Scheduling his next international golf trip is way more important than petty things like labor law, our national debt exceeding GDP and ISIS reigning hell all over the world Figuring out efficient ways for drones to kill some more innocent kids is a very time consuming task for Barry. He has little time to worry about circumventing the NFL's draconian ways.
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Post by irishmob7 on Apr 27, 2016 22:23:32 GMT -5
Not sure it means much, but it's good to see a few politicians actually commenting on how corrupt this ordeal has been. Also, it's pretty clear the tide is turning among the initial haters who smelled blood in the water. As this crap has dragged along, more and more people (including NFL owners) are starting to comment that the whole thing is a farce. Better than nothing I guess
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Post by irishmob7 on Apr 27, 2016 22:25:02 GMT -5
Agreed. Scheduling his next international golf trip is way more important than petty things like labor law, our national debt exceeding GDP and ISIS reigning hell all over the world Figuring out efficient ways for drones to kill some more innocent kids is a very time consuming task for Barry. He has little time to worry about circumventing the NFL's draconian ways. What, you say? The average drone strike kills 50 innocent civilians per 1 "terrorist"? Nah, democrats are very peaceful and anti-war.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 22:30:56 GMT -5
Not sure it means much, but it's good to see a few politicians actually commenting on how corrupt this ordeal has been. Also, it's pretty clear the tide is turning among the initial haters who smelled blood in the water. As this crap has dragged along, more and more people (including NFL owners) are starting to comment that the whole thing is a farce. Better than nothing I guess This is why I'm not as eager as many of you to condemn Kraft. There seems to be a bit of a civil war raging among the NFL owners and Bob may well be willing to appear to lose a battle in order to win the war, eventually. He is a Krafty guy.
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Post by irishmob7 on Apr 27, 2016 22:35:42 GMT -5
Not sure it means much, but it's good to see a few politicians actually commenting on how corrupt this ordeal has been. Also, it's pretty clear the tide is turning among the initial haters who smelled blood in the water. As this crap has dragged along, more and more people (including NFL owners) are starting to comment that the whole thing is a farce. Better than nothing I guess This is why I'm not as eager as many of you to condemn Kraft. There seems to be a bit of a civil war raging among the NFL owners and Bob may well be willing to appear to lose a battle in order to win the war, eventually. He is a Krafty guy. Babe, I've gone back and forth about Kraft's actions post-DefameGate. I get that his options were limited and that going rogue on the league was probably not the most prudent course of action. However, it is absolutely inexcusable that he was seen coddling with Goodell time and time again after the ruling while simultaneously reinforcing this bs notion that Goodell is "doing a great job." I'd love to think that this was some "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" type of deal but I just don't see it that way. Kraft loves the power and money he has and will not risk it for anything. Pretty spineless, imo. Edit: your last sentence - I see what you did there.
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Post by pauldeba on Apr 27, 2016 22:38:57 GMT -5
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Post by pauldeba on Apr 27, 2016 22:39:43 GMT -5
This is why I'm not as eager as many of you to condemn Kraft. There seems to be a bit of a civil war raging among the NFL owners and Bob may well be willing to appear to lose a battle in order to win the war, eventually. He is a Krafty guy. Babe, I've gone back and forth about Kraft's actions post-DefameGate. I get that his options were limited and that going rogue on the league was probably not the most prudent course of action. However, it is absolutely inexcusable that he was seen coddling with Goodell time and time again after the ruling while simultaneously reinforcing this bs notion that Goodell is "doing a great job." I'd love to think that this was some "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" type of deal but I just don't see it that way. Kraft loves the power and money he has and will not risk it for anything. Pretty spineless, imo. Edit: your last sentence - I see what you did there. There was no need for that hug. A cold shoulder is not "conduct detrimental to the game", I suppose
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Post by pauldeba on Apr 28, 2016 0:41:53 GMT -5
rough draft:
Petition for Executive order to stay employee suspension in the matter of “NFL vs. Brady”:
Dear Mr. President,
As you are aware, the National Football league (“the NFL”) is a trade organization with enormous power and is currently involved with various lawsuits clogging up the Federal Courts as a result of a clause in the current Collective Bargaining Agreement (“the CBA”) which is not consistent with the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States (“the Constitution”). The exercise of this unconstitutional clause has been compounded by actions if performed by Governmental authorities would be violations of the 4th Amendment as well as the 5th Amendment. We ask that you stay all current awards against Thomas Brady that have been ordered by the Commissioner and remanded by an independent Arbitrator that would not violate Federal Labor Law and abide by the Constitution. Background information is as follows:
Article 46 of the CBA allows the NFL Commissioner (currently Roger Goodell) to serve as an arbitrator to appeals of disciplinarian awards. This ,in and of itself, is not illegal, but the Commissioner ruling on the process which he oversees (game day equipment management) himself is a conflict which is at odds with the work of an arbitrator and a violation of federal labor law guaranteeing an arbitrator that is not evidently partial. The intention of the NFL Commissioner serving as arbitrator was obviously for off-field behavior, primarily domestic violence, narcotics abuse and other potentially criminal behavior, activity which he does not oversee (as far as we are currently aware).
The 14th Amendment of the Constitution Section 1 guarantees “due process” to all citizens. The CBA filed with the US Department of Labor currently includes a clause that gives the Commissioner the ability to discipline covered employees for “conduct detrimental to the league”. As a result of a lack of clarification, this vague clause deprives covered employees of their due process to defend themselves in federal court against the award. This clearly makes at least this section of the CBA an invalid contract and unenforceable.
In addition to the actual violation of the Constitution, the Commissioner has engaged in behavior of depriving collectively bargained employees from their right to avoid self-incrimination (5th Amendment of the Constitution) and their right to be secure in their persons and effects (4th Amendment) by demanding a undefined level of “co-operation” and requiring them to surrender their personal communication device with no probable cause or warrant. Probably Cause most likely could have been established with tampered equipment but ,as we have seen, EVERY single objective analysis of the data publicly available has demonstrated that no probable cause exists. In addition, the Commissioner publicly stated that an “Independent” investigator would be issuing a report (commonly known as “The Wells Report”) and subsequently invoked attorney-client privilege and utilized the “Independent” Investigator to examine witnesses on behalf of the NFL during arbitration. The sum total of these actions is that an employee has been illegally deprived of his right to work, 2 of 4 Federal judges agree with that and the only way to resolve this is for either an en banc hearing of the 2nd Circuit or a Supreme Court decision, both of which would be an incredible waste of Federal judges time for an incident which so clearly violates labor laws, the Constitution and the spirit of the agreement itself.
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Post by brad45 on Apr 28, 2016 1:30:54 GMT -5
Good petition. Id sign it
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Post by pauldeba on Apr 28, 2016 1:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by rbpatsfan on Apr 28, 2016 9:16:40 GMT -5
I'd support it - I would also support the Mass Legislature holding a public hearing on the Wells Report - let Exponent defend what they did in public against the numerous academic critics!
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Post by tcal2 on Apr 28, 2016 13:16:23 GMT -5
I'd support a public execution of Goodell.
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Post by irishmob7 on Apr 28, 2016 13:38:30 GMT -5
I'd support a public execution of Goodell.
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Post by 347pg on Apr 28, 2016 13:47:46 GMT -5
Don't quote the Constitution. O couldn't give a rat's hind quarters about it.
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