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Post by backbay on Mar 23, 2024 10:15:52 GMT -5
I voted for JJ Foxboro, because he's the QB I want. That said, I can shake the long-held belief that Joe Alt is as safe and clean a prospect as their is in this class, and he and plays a position of need. We could look back at this class in ten years and view him as the best player to come out of it. so, if one believes that offenses should be built inside out - why didn't you choose Alt?
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Post by backbay on Mar 23, 2024 10:19:52 GMT -5
Drake Maye got my vote. I believe that he has not only the physical tools (arm, size, etc) but also both the mental acuity and testicular fortitude to become a successful, perhaps highly successful NFL QB. Yes, he makes boneheaded plays at times but I think that is fixable with the right coaching. Beyond the foregoing, I believe he will be there at 3. Most of the pundits are criticizing his footwork, missing the "easy" throws, and not necessarily processing quickly enough and going thru his progressions. He is also statistically worse vs. JJ McCarthy re: throwing under pressure. Folks are saying that footwork; although correctable, will take at least 1 year. Are you prepared to sit him year 1?
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Post by ATJ on Mar 23, 2024 10:31:46 GMT -5
Drake Maye got my vote. I believe that he has not only the physical tools (arm, size, etc) but also both the mental acuity and testicular fortitude to become a successful, perhaps highly successful NFL QB. Yes, he makes boneheaded plays at times but I think that is fixable with the right coaching. Beyond the foregoing, I believe he will be there at 3. Most of the pundits are criticizing his footwork, missing the "easy" throws, and not necessarily processing quickly enough and going thru his progressions. He is also statistically worse vs. JJ McCarthy re: throwing under pressure. Folks are saying that footwork; although correctable, will take at least 1 year. Are you prepared to sit him year 1? I’ve seen similar reports re: slow processing on JJM. Should we not be prepared to sit or least not start any rookie QB in year one? Speaking only for myself, I’m prepared to roll with Brissett this season since consensus seems to be that we’re not going to be a playoff team regardless.
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Post by DaPatriots on Mar 23, 2024 10:47:58 GMT -5
Slow processing. This is why I look to the sack #'s.
Yeah linemen are going to let guys go unblocked from time to time.
But if you have nobody open, are you throwing it away to avoid a sack?
Most sacks are on the QB and his reading.
Best sack avoiders in this draft, that I know of, are: Bo Nix (1 for 94) Michael Penix (1 for 51) Joe Milton (1 for 22)
These guys have also been in college over 5 years! These guys are also the only ones with 10 inch hands!
The 1st 2 are crappy weather QB's.
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Post by backbay on Mar 23, 2024 11:00:29 GMT -5
Boy better hope Vikings don't go all out for McCarthy, that team will be lethal. 2 Good WR's and TE, and a very good O-Line. This will be a good Poll to save for the archives. Viking's do have a bit of capital w/ the #11 and#23 in 1st round. Chicago, Washington, NE, Arizona, and Giants are going to be looking for quarter backs. The Chargers at #5 should pick a WR. So Minnesota would need to move up to at least the #5 spot with the Chargers.
Minnie could trade with NE for the #3, but all the "viable" quarterbacks will be gone by #11; plus Minnesota doesn't have a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.
Just my opinion that any kind of trade for #3 pick is best completed with the Giants; for their #6 (1st rd), #47 (2nd rd), #70 (3rd rd), and 2025 1st rounder.
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Post by backbay on Mar 23, 2024 11:04:59 GMT -5
Most of the pundits are criticizing his footwork, missing the "easy" throws, and not necessarily processing quickly enough and going thru his progressions. He is also statistically worse vs. JJ McCarthy re: throwing under pressure. Folks are saying that footwork; although correctable, will take at least 1 year. Are you prepared to sit him year 1? I’ve seen similar reports re: slow processing on JJM. Should we not be prepared to sit or least not start any rookie QB in year one?Speaking only for myself, I’m prepared to roll with Brissett this season since consensus seems to be that we’re not going to be a playoff team regardless. great point. Yes.
So, if you're ok w/ Brissett for all of next year - why wouldn't you want to trade down in 1st round w/ Giants for their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks - and Pick up a Tackle at #6? A QB and OT in 2nd round, a WR and OT in the 3rd round?
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Post by ATJ on Mar 23, 2024 11:21:24 GMT -5
I’ve seen similar reports re: slow processing on JJM. Should we not be prepared to sit or least not start any rookie QB in year one?Speaking only for myself, I’m prepared to roll with Brissett this season since consensus seems to be that we’re not going to be a playoff team regardless. great point. Yes.
So, if you're ok w/ Brissett for all of next year - why wouldn't you want to trade down in 1st round w/ Giants for their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks - and Pick up a Tackle at #6? A QB and OT in 2nd round, a WR and OT in the 3rd round?
I am assuming that your poll was, at least in part, predicated on the assumption that the collaborative has tabbed whomever our selection might as 'THE GUY.' Can't speak for anyone else but my response was. Hence the trade question would be moot.
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Post by tswfan on Mar 23, 2024 11:55:21 GMT -5
Most of the pundits are criticizing his footwork, missing the "easy" throws, and not necessarily processing quickly enough and going thru his progressions. He is also statistically worse vs. JJ McCarthy re: throwing under pressure. Folks are saying that footwork; although correctable, will take at least 1 year. Are you prepared to sit him year 1? I’ve seen similar reports re: slow processing on JJM. Should we not be prepared to sit or least not start any rookie QB in year one? Speaking only for myself, I’m prepared to roll with Brissett this season since consensus seems to be that we’re not going to be a playoff team regardless. the Pats D is first class ; If they don't see their QB at No.3 , go with a trade with the NYG and they will still be improving the team considerably and contend for the playoffs. Never should have let N.Folk go !!!
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Post by backbay on Mar 23, 2024 12:26:40 GMT -5
Slow processing. This is why I look to the sack #'s. Yeah linemen are going to let guys go unblocked from time to time. But if you have nobody open, are you throwing it away to avoid a sack? Most sacks are on the QB and his reading. Best sack avoiders in this draft, that I know of, are: Bo Nix (1 for 94) Michael Penix (1 for 51) Joe Milton (1 for 22) These guys have also been in college over 5 years! These guys are also the only ones with 10 inch hands! The 1st 2 are crappy weather QB's. what were the sack numbers for Williams, Daniel, Maye, and McCarthy?
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Post by backbay on Mar 23, 2024 12:28:10 GMT -5
I’ve seen similar reports re: slow processing on JJM. Should we not be prepared to sit or least not start any rookie QB in year one? Speaking only for myself, I’m prepared to roll with Brissett this season since consensus seems to be that we’re not going to be a playoff team regardless. the Pats D is first class ; If they don't see their QB at No.3 , go with a trade with the NYG and they will still be improving the team considerably and contend for the playoffs. Never should have let N.Folk go !!! and, who is your first round pick?
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Post by DaPatriots on Mar 23, 2024 12:48:50 GMT -5
Slow processing. This is why I look to the sack #'s. Yeah linemen are going to let guys go unblocked from time to time. But if you have nobody open, are you throwing it away to avoid a sack? Most sacks are on the QB and his reading. Best sack avoiders in this draft, that I know of, are: Bo Nix (1 for 94) Michael Penix (1 for 51) Joe Milton (1 for 22) These guys have also been in college over 5 years! These guys are also the only ones with 10 inch hands! The 1st 2 are crappy weather QB's. what were the sack numbers for Williams, Daniel, Maye, and McCarthy? 1 for 12 for JJ and Caleb. Daniels and Maye at 1 for 15.
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Post by tswfan on Mar 23, 2024 12:53:20 GMT -5
the Pats D is first class ; If they don't see their QB at No.3 , go with a trade with the NYG and they will still be improving the team considerably and contend for the playoffs. Never should have let N.Folk go !!! and, who is your first round pick? if no QB at No. 3, then Alt if as Beau says he the No.1 LT.
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Post by backbay on Mar 23, 2024 13:53:18 GMT -5
OT. This is the first chance for the new management team to make a major impact on the long term future of the team. There are a number of other teams who are likely on their last chance to get it right and will be overly aggressive trying to prove that they know what they are doing. I'm hoping that some desperate team overwhelms them with an offer for the pick. I'm hoping that the new management here has a long term vision for the team and makes the trade. And I'm hoping that we can look back in 10 years and say this was the day the Patriots made a very smart decision that helped get the team get headed back in the right direction. Thanks for the post. I agree with your thoughts. I think it's pretty unrealistic expectation to turn this team around into a playoff bound team in a single draft/free agency/and pre-season. Just too many needs; especially on offensive side of ball. Until the OL becomes a top 5 unit will the Patriots become competitive again.
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Post by jamesbrady2020 on Mar 23, 2024 14:33:48 GMT -5
I went with Alt. To me he is the truest “can’t miss” prospect on the draft. The Pats can not miss on this pick. The experience is there. The game tape is there to watch. He’s played a lot of games and is ready to start day 1. Picking this guy would ensure your OL has the anchor it needs for the next 5-10 years. Its really tempting to pick Alt, but not at 3. If thats who they ultimately want, then move down to 6 and take him. I'm not worried about AZ or the Chargers picking him since both need receivers and if Minnesota trades up its for the QB at 4/5. So move to 6, get NY's 2nd rounder this year and 1st next year and take Alt if thats what they want. If they pick him at 3, that would be a waste of an asset IMO.
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Post by philskiw on Mar 23, 2024 15:09:02 GMT -5
I just read Harrison wants to go to AZ. Someone actually wants to go to AZ, the world is ending.
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Post by thehub on Mar 23, 2024 15:28:06 GMT -5
I just read Harrison wants to go to AZ. Someone actually wants to go to AZ, the world is ending. Weather is nice! 🤷♂️
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Post by backbay on Mar 23, 2024 16:03:29 GMT -5
great point. Yes.
So, if you're ok w/ Brissett for all of next year - why wouldn't you want to trade down in 1st round w/ Giants for their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks - and Pick up a Tackle at #6? A QB and OT in 2nd round, a WR and OT in the 3rd round?
I am assuming that your poll was, at least in part, predicated on the assumption that the collaborative has tabbed whomever our selection might as 'THE GUY.' Can't speak for anyone else but my response was. Hence the trade question would be moot. well, I've also heard the QB class for 2025 and 2026 will not be as deep as this year. I can't really speak to that rumor; as I don't really follow college football. That being said, have the Patriots even indicated who their "guy" is? I believe they are throwing out as much smoke as possible. Since the Patriots didn't send anyone to Penix' Pro Day - that is probably "the guy"....lol.
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Post by negame on Mar 23, 2024 16:06:23 GMT -5
JJ. but not at 3
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Post by ATJ on Mar 23, 2024 16:40:46 GMT -5
I am assuming that your poll was, at least in part, predicated on the assumption that the collaborative has tabbed whomever our selection might as 'THE GUY.' Can't speak for anyone else but my response was. Hence the trade question would be moot. well, I've also heard the QB class for 2025 and 2026 will not be as deep as this year. I can't really speak to that rumor; as I don't really follow college football. That being said, have the Patriots even indicated who their "guy" is? I believe they are throwing out as much smoke as possible. Since the Patriots didn't send anyone to Penix' Pro Day - that is probably "the guy"....lol.
Damn near every post on this forum is based on someone else's reporting, rumor, speculation and/or opinion sprinkled with an occasional stat here and there. I claim my right as a Pats fan and a forum member in good (for the most part) standing to read, spread rumors, speculate and opinionate. 19 n 0 baby!!!!
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Post by rkarp on Mar 23, 2024 16:47:15 GMT -5
I am assuming that your poll was, at least in part, predicated on the assumption that the collaborative has tabbed whomever our selection might as 'THE GUY.' Can't speak for anyone else but my response was. Hence the trade question would be moot. well, I've also heard the QB class for 2025 and 2026 will not be as deep as this year. I can't really speak to that rumor; as I don't really follow college football. That being said, have the Patriots even indicated who their "guy" is? I believe they are throwing out as much smoke as possible. Since the Patriots didn't send anyone to Penix' Pro Day - that is probably "the guy"....lol.
Tell me, where was Daniels ranked at the end of the season last year?
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Post by backbay on Mar 23, 2024 17:53:28 GMT -5
Slow processing. This is why I look to the sack #'s. Yeah linemen are going to let guys go unblocked from time to time. But if you have nobody open, are you throwing it away to avoid a sack? Most sacks are on the QB and his reading. Best sack avoiders in this draft, that I know of, are: Bo Nix (1 for 94) Michael Penix (1 for 51) Joe Milton (1 for 22) These guys have also been in college over 5 years! These guys are also the only ones with 10 inch hands! The 1st 2 are crappy weather QB's.another good point. Which quarterbacks are best suited for cold weather games? JJM has to be up there at the top of the list; playing in MI.
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Post by backbay on Mar 23, 2024 17:54:18 GMT -5
well, I've also heard the QB class for 2025 and 2026 will not be as deep as this year. I can't really speak to that rumor; as I don't really follow college football. That being said, have the Patriots even indicated who their "guy" is? I believe they are throwing out as much smoke as possible. Since the Patriots didn't send anyone to Penix' Pro Day - that is probably "the guy"....lol.
Tell me, where was Daniels ranked at the end of the season last year? ranking for what?
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Mar 23, 2024 18:04:40 GMT -5
At pick 3: Jayden Daniels
More than anyone, he has demonstrated a good combination of three things: 1) A good mix of running and passing ability (can get runs like Lamar but passes a lot better than Lamar coming out of college) 2) Has carried his team 3) Composure: Good decision-making (not perfect - he needs to cut down on allowing himself to take hits) under pressure
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Post by carawaydj on Mar 23, 2024 19:03:46 GMT -5
All I know about these QBs is this. If everything we hear can be taught or fixed actually could be taught or fixed Zach Wilson would be lighting it up in NY and Aaron Rodgers would still be bitchin and moaning in GB. Oh, and the NFL would be chock full of very good QBs. I'm becoming pessimistic about this QB class. I'm glad I don't have to make the call.
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Post by backbay on Mar 23, 2024 19:57:05 GMT -5
I went with Alt. To me he is the truest “can’t miss” prospect on the draft. The Pats can not miss on this pick. The experience is there. The game tape is there to watch. He’s played a lot of games and is ready to start day 1. Picking this guy would ensure your OL has the anchor it needs for the next 5-10 years. If Pats are interested in long term results, Alt should be the pick. Besides, so long as the OL sucks, it won't matter what upgrades we make on offense or who the QB is.
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