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Post by michiganadam on Apr 22, 2024 20:53:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't take Penix at #11. That would be absurd. Why trade out of pick #3 if you're going to go Penix at #11? Spot #11 is too far down the draftboard to land one of the top 4 quarterbacks, OT Alt, or one of the 3 top WRs. For this reason, I would not make a trade with the Minnesota Vikings unless they offered a king's ransom. The New York Giants are supposedly looking for a quarterback, and can give the Patriots the 6th overall pick as part of the return. If New England had that high of a pick, they could probably draft Alt, McCarthy, or either of two of the top three WRs. Accordingly, any trade with the Vikings should include at a minimum the 11th and 23rd picks in 2024, their #1 pick and 3rd round pick in 2025, and their first round pick in 2026. Other than scrambling, what is it that JJM/Drake/Daniels can do better than Penix? Not Get 2 major knee surgeries
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Post by philskiw on Apr 22, 2024 21:03:40 GMT -5
Just take alt at 3. That’s a hit. That’s what 3 should be, a hit regardless of need. LT is a need though so it’d be a double hit.
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Post by wonderdrums on Apr 22, 2024 21:25:40 GMT -5
Just take alt at 3. That’s a hit. That’s what 3 should be, a hit regardless of need. LT is a need though so it’d be a double hit. I agree with you 100%, but the argument for drafting a QB at 3 is valid. To me, the fact he won’t be the top QB paired with the bust probability rate, Alt or MHJ are the safest picks AND a position of need. I prefer Alt. He’s the #1 LT. He steps in and starts day 1.
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Post by patsfan2007 on Apr 22, 2024 22:24:12 GMT -5
Other than scrambling, what is it that JJM/Drake/Daniels can do better than Penix? Not Get 2 major knee surgeries Based on his play on the field, his 4.46 40time, 10'6" standing broad jum, 36.5" vertical.....and the OK from all the doctors.
I think he's fine now. Those knee injuries (I saw the replays) one was a quasi-hip drop where the defender fell on the back of his foot, the other was similar to how Brady tore his ACL....BTW, how did Brady do after his major knee surgery?
This is a fair point, but I think we're past that as an issue.
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Post by texaspat on Apr 22, 2024 23:52:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't take Penix at #11. That would be absurd. Why trade out of pick #3 if you're going to go Penix at #11? Spot #11 is too far down the draftboard to land one of the top 4 quarterbacks, OT Alt, or one of the 3 top WRs. For this reason, I would not make a trade with the Minnesota Vikings unless they offered a king's ransom. The New York Giants are supposedly looking for a quarterback, and can give the Patriots the 6th overall pick as part of the return. If New England had that high of a pick, they could probably draft Alt, McCarthy, or either of two of the top three WRs. Accordingly, any trade with the Vikings should include at a minimum the 11th and 23rd picks in 2024, their #1 pick and 3rd round pick in 2025, and their first round pick in 2026. Other than scrambling, what is it that JJM/Drake/Daniels can do better than Penix? Drake Maye is 21 years old, and appears to have more upside than the 24 year old Penix. Plus, the Penix injury history scares the hell out of me. Ditto McCarthy and Daniels. Plus, all three of these quarterbacks are more mobile than Penix. Accordingly, it makes no sense to me to trade the 3rd overall pick, and then take Penix at 11 overall - who I view as a second round pick. Any team that takes him must surround him with a very good OL for him to stay healthy and succeed. If the Patriots don't like Maye or McCarthy ar three, then they should trade down - focusing on rebuilding their OL, getting a stud interior DT, and adding that ever elusive #1 WR. They should not take a quarterback just to appease their fan base and the media if they don't firmly believe that the quarterback they're selecting is much more than just a project.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 23, 2024 2:14:00 GMT -5
Other than scrambling, what is it that JJM/Drake/Daniels can do better than Penix? Drake Maye is 21 years old, and appears to have more upside than the 24 year old Penix. Plus, the Penix injury history scares the hell out of me. Ditto McCarthy and Daniels. Plus, all three of these quarterbacks are more mobile than Penix. Accordingly, it makes no sense to me to trade the 3rd overall pick, and then take Penix at 11 overall - who I view as a second round pick. Any team that takes him must surround him with a very good OL for him to stay healthy and succeed. If the Patriots don't like Maye or McCarthy ar three, then they should trade down - focusing on rebuilding their OL, getting a stud interior DT, and adding that ever elusive #1 WR. They should not take a quarterback just to appease their fan base and the media if they don't firmly believe that the quarterback they're selecting is much more than just a project. "Drake Maye is 21 years old, and appears to have more upside than the 24 year old Penix." Based on what? Because Maye is younger? How do you even know that Maye can ever process at the level that Penix does?"Plus, the Penix injury history scares the hell out of me." Overblown. "Plus, all three of these quarterbacks are more mobile than Penix." Really? Or does it just seem that way because Penix chooses to throw from the pocket instead of scrambling prematurely? You might be right about JJM's mobility. Daniels or Maye? I doubt.
"I view (Penix) as a second round pick." What if the Pats views him as a top 5 but would be willing to trade down to take advantage of market inefficiency?
"They should not take a quarterback just to appease their fan base and the media if they don't firmly believe that the quarterback they're selecting is much more than just a project." All three are bigger projects than Penix.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 23, 2024 4:05:24 GMT -5
That’s well written but I’d venture to guess it wasn’t written by him. Especially throwing the EKG thing in at the end. But I’ll tell you this, I do think whoever gets this kid is a getting a very good talent…the injuries are real however, and you never know what those will do longterm to him - and the QB position is a long term position when you draft the right one. As for his arm talent, he looks tremendous at times (probably most of the time), but when he’s pressured he looks a lot different. I know they all do, but he looks like a different player when under duress and it makes me question him as a “sure thing”. Again, I know none of these guys are sure things but you are hoping for that when you draft them high. Which leads me to where do you draft this kid? In the high teens? Mid 20’s? Second round? He’s not being mentioned in the top 3-4 guys for a reason, and I don’t think it’s all because of injuries, but still I like his talent.
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Post by mthurl on Apr 23, 2024 4:07:49 GMT -5
Although I like Penix , I like Daniels, and I think Calib is a talent…the more and more I watch tape the more and more if I’m the GM with the number one pick in the draft I select Drake Maye right now. Im convinced his ceiling is higher than all of them, and that his attitude and work ethic will bring him to a floor that AT WORST is still a top ten QB in the NFL. So, to me, if at worst I can get a top ten talent at the top of the draft I take it and I don’t look back. I take Maye. All day.
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Post by michiganadam on Apr 23, 2024 6:10:28 GMT -5
Not Get 2 major knee surgeries Based on his play on the field, his 4.46 40time, 10'6" standing broad jum, 36.5" vertical.....and the OK from all the doctors.
I think he's fine now. Those knee injuries (I saw the replays) one was a quasi-hip drop where the defender fell on the back of his foot, the other was similar to how Brady tore his ACL....BTW, how did Brady do after his major knee surgery?
This is a fair point, but I think we're past that as an issue.
Fans may be past it, but are franchises who will be investing millions and the short term success of the franchise be past it?
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 23, 2024 17:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by wazzu on Apr 23, 2024 17:55:29 GMT -5
Although I like Penix , I like Daniels, and I think Calib is a talent…the more and more I watch tape the more and more if I’m the GM with the number one pick in the draft I select Drake Maye right now. Im convinced his ceiling is higher than all of them, and that his attitude and work ethic will bring him to a floor that AT WORST is still a top ten QB in the NFL. So, to me, if at worst I can get a top ten talent at the top of the draft I take it and I don’t look back. I take Maye. All day. Absolutely agree
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Post by wazzu on Apr 23, 2024 17:56:28 GMT -5
None of that changes the fact that he has torn the same ACL twice. You can try to gloss over it all you want, but that fact is a major red flag
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 23, 2024 17:59:21 GMT -5
None of that changes the fact that he has torn the same ACL twice. You can try to gloss over it all you want, but that fact is a major red flag Was a red flag
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Post by wazzu on Apr 23, 2024 18:04:46 GMT -5
None of that changes the fact that he has torn the same ACL twice. You can try to gloss over it all you want, but that fact is a major red flag Was a red flag No. IS a red flag. Do you honestly think that NFL teams are not factoring his injury history into the equation? I don’t really care how he tore his ACL All I really care about is that it has been torn twice in the same knee. Now, maybe you’re right. Maybe he will play a full career without having any more trouble. But we don’t have a crystal ball and we don’t know that. If you think NFL teams aren’t taking his injury, history into serious account, You’re kidding yourself.
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Post by seattlepat2016 on Apr 23, 2024 18:14:05 GMT -5
No. IS a red flag. Do you honestly think that NFL teams are not factoring his injury history into the equation? I don’t really care how he tore his ACL All I really care about is that it has been torn twice in the same knee. Now, maybe you’re right. Maybe he will play a full career without having any more trouble. But we don’t have a crystal ball and we don’t know that. If you think NFL teams aren’t taking his injury, history into serious account, You’re kidding yourself. Oh they are. Probably just not the way you are factoring it in.
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Post by wazzu on Apr 23, 2024 18:25:27 GMT -5
No. IS a red flag. Do you honestly think that NFL teams are not factoring his injury history into the equation? I don’t really care how he tore his ACL All I really care about is that it has been torn twice in the same knee. Now, maybe you’re right. Maybe he will play a full career without having any more trouble. But we don’t have a crystal ball and we don’t know that. If you think NFL teams aren’t taking his injury, history into serious account, You’re kidding yourself. Oh they are. Probably just not the way you are factoring it in. You’re right. They might be factoring it in even heavier than I am. 2 ACLs in the same knee is no small issue. But it only takes one team. We’ll see.
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